Im action or a town. See and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. A. Hold on the hills of tucker costs and allowing americans to finally here and on the sides of the story view as war and russia through ukraine. Meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support. Given by dividing administration with tens of thousands killed most of them, women and children. And now native nation outlawing of money going to the main u. N. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region. The International Community is waiting for a new u. S. President. Could that be professor cornell west or could you help me determine who ultimately gets elected in november . The lifelong peace activist scholar and Freedom Fighter is running as an independent in the 2020 for us president ial election. You joins me now from new york to thank you so much professor west for coming back on going on. The ground is been a long time ag daily. And now youre running for president before i get to the present president s backing of genocide in gaza for american view. As of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this yeah. Oh shooting for all 50. I should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer, and by november 1 were shooting for 50 member very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in, in the states, the new awfully is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidates to begin the process of gaining any access to the ballots until of february 1 in most states. And so thats why we, weve already got a last of a got oregon brass. We have a number already, but were on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. Well, lets just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign. You know, fan of, dont know. But you could stop by means the backing of genocide, stop the u. S. U k. Back booming of syria. Rog, him and if you a president , clearly of course trump says he would stop it as a matter of hours. Um would you, how would you do that . And what is to be in your, um, your reaction to President Biden after all you are a soldier of is in a way, last time round. I have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me in critical. But and ive tried that before then anti fascist coalition thinking it, but im going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality in mass incarceration to cut back on militarism but i was wrong. And thats why im really convinced that there is no major alternative to the neo fascist option to try that by themself is not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing. Its a quarter of a part time like regime, but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. As mirage is thinking that hes actually going to be pro, labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the Railway Workers in this straight in the Labor Movement too often steal up for him, saying this to him, the black Community Brings in some black faces in high places and yes, deal reinforces policies that do in blackboard working people. And so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the United States. I mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground because of, for you, the beginning me was donald trump. Now were talking about a president. I mean, its pretty rare that even though Even International bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. This is worse than anything trump could do. The mass, most of you know, many women. And i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers, there was the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attacks on precious palestinian brothers and sisters up to shift. I think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty and even when he got powered Child Poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. But it expired in Child Poverty rate double again. You see i come out of the legacy was im gonna have to listen to the come depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is popular, ball is homeless. This i want to store credit union move is 27. 00 minimum weight. I want to make sure it was fees and i guess, well then im very much for workers control. Ill, i want, i want to see workers voice shaping the destiny of the nation. Therefore, im calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopoly in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. But i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that theyre not contributing to the session with profits in calling in the course in the future the plan. So there is a, a better not just a progressive, but its, its a uh, a deeply, deeply, revolutionary vision and platform and policy. And i think thats what we need because were living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. Ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political United States, but also spiritual and more now weve got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. Weve got to organize 3 thats on steroids. What are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it . And in addition to the structural an institution, what, what to, im sure you expected it. What are the kinds of uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that ones binding to when another time as president , despite, as i said, this is a natural court ruling that well could mean needs. A co conspirator, in genocide to me, is fascinated now by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. I said to myself, i wish i had that kind of power. What would be worth for work . People in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. Im committed to those rest and all the rest of the middle east that aged in latin america. But all it meant was that i was calling in the questionnaire version of t. Now you remember margaret baptist, tina, there is no alternative. You must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted to injustice. And those saying no, no, not at all. There is an alternative. In my campaign, nothing but a moment in a moment, this band for to keep in mind you see change of talking about and that come about when president wont come about with disability. Were talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. And of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. We dont need 800000000, its around the world. We dont need special operations. And a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. We meet the dismantled in body dining space is to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. Im an anti imperialist candidate. While if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president , the United States. Isnt that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato . When he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe. Is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from, well, its not do quite we no worries. There is on israel, easiest, but most for the right wing didnt bite and is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem. Defer. And julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. No trust me. I just found that actually professor actually you can see trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one to me last month. Oh no, because he didnt start and he was remember traumatically assassinated people. He killed people and he typed in your part to reduce. He encouraged those in the apple. He was the one that talked about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. In that say, in a moment, worried about the vicious power spins under apartheid region. So that in that sense you doesnt have an integral is bone in his body. Hes an isolation of this, which is very different. So he would, i, i do view nato as an extension of american. The german is essentially the american imperial Foreign Policy. And therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. Heres boutique and nato is. Whats been too much money is european dont deserve it. They need to secure it themselves, and we will pull back. But give them a window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. But given that it is raining, cabinet minister is that dont about using is rarely nuclear weapons. And of course, weve never seen such tensions in terms of new data engines that drain rusher in nature isnt the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. As regards a war and the military Industrial Complex of what it says on what kind of collisions talking about. So here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of conference in terms of the truth. And the condition is true to allow, so to speak. So for example, on the one hand, i mean we got, you got a raw ron has their critique of bud. Its, its, its, at times its very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. Im not a supporter of more lot of deluxe. I supported women, live street a low. I support those who are resisting against the form of domination with in the same is true with rush, rush itself was prove both by the expansion of nato. It led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structuring the domination in the silent thing of this isnt a voices and so forth. So they are the moral consistency alone. We have a political solidarity. So the coalition of that im talk is not just the function of re out politic. But its also a commitment to truth. Remember to adjust as were ever whatever context we talked about. Let me put this in here, isnt there off of aspiration. I mean tucker calls and on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. He doesnt have an enzyme fairly boating. Well, the, the but it hasnt the change on people changing and becoming more. You just see it as isolationism, right wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father. Hes got a critique of the beach and thats what i have my critique. Hell be late, but his critique to release times a month and word about math and customer. Ready and at home doesnt say among them word about anti poverty program, doesnt say that mumbling word about white supremacy. And he was so pro White Supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. But as an end, as a problem, this will the guest various forms to be leads. It makes him look and appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who was like your running for president . It isnt now the time. And would you have to try and you like and get this affordable . Those people we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm medical says support is that right wing sentences view on the defensive extreme is now being advised that as, yeah, no, the train deleted the other. If were going to have person to support me, im going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. Were not a guard variety politician in that regard. Im not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice any way just in order to we in any way now thats, thats not how i. Yeah, thats not how i proceed right now. What i, what i do have for the restaurant stuff to do that. More from the 2020 for us independent president ial candidate after this break, the lease of russian states never as tired as im one of the most sense community best. Most all sun set up the must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz net keeping our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say a request for check the of the welcome back to going on the right. And im still here with professor going out west 2024 us independent president ial candidate. You know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that as you designate the right wing the populace to isolate she was like dr. Costs and are increasingly critical of u. S. Foreign policy over here in the middle east. The big the story as well as gaza is that the iran con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. He made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of a us, a conspirators. And so it reminds a lot of people in eurasia, and the middle east and africa and latin america are about. The us is sponsorship for democracy is at schools in the state department. What would you do as president , when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us state that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. You know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of the c. I a fundamental role of us material Foreign Policy that over through democratic region, we can talk about why them all at least talk about iraq. We could talk about where z a we started, but dominican republic. Im talking about renee that you talk about panama. We need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. So you see, so often theres not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the United States have been a anti Democratic Force around the world. Been pro market, always been obsessed with profit, always been obsessed with the International Monetary fund into world bank extracting resources as well as profit. But it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and working peoples in africa and latin american ages. So theres a pedagogy called a function here. So people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the land of poor and working people here and around the world. And therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the International Monetary fly. Contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people. One just create african bourgeoisie and age. And boys loved the 11 american boys while the which Assembly Partners with, with the international capital, to can tenure to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own for people. I mean, trump a game coming from a very different philosophy. Your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where hes coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. The certainly as big views of id be if we, i ca, i mean, i dont know is more than come with the weather mind about the f b i who knows. He doesnt like them. Job job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. That is as imperialism, they can be. We had an 1840 stage more. They cocher mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. Used to be mexico, texas used to be mexico. Arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing and mexico in the letter that trump now using the same language thats 19th century imperial language in that regard. So again, i dont see where the, theres any similarity to myself. And in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than the neo live is dropped, present to neo fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of, by then the flip side of neo liberalism is what militaristic, the gaza militaristic attacks of the human, militaristic, latin american, past, africa at this very moment. Well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his National Security adviser was on this row. And it was trump who was offering a hold of runs to venezuela. Uh if uh if, if uh what youre going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. Thats education on housing, on Free Health Care for ordinary americans. What are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the United States for so dont again, i have to say it, you know, trumps, the, it organization was talking about american cottage that something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with United States over decades. But what, what do you do with dealing with that youre going to forgive it in a con is, would be late in the black. It was, and the brown it was in a full big be blue ways the premises, very, very different land is the which is viewing the world when he talks about sap. Thats all but the plan, the, the decay on the plan, the impact. Yes. The right about it, but i will not budge one inch when it comes to, but i position in critiques. Well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. It is a very, the general like the low lies, whether you do get it and then that is still a line of all life and he got his own life. I may sound someone say beethoven, a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. Be brought to justice. Im talking about wall street really to make how many wall street games has went to jail and inside of the Trading Market manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one in the bottom right now. One went to jail. I had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a