The International Community is waiting for a new u. S. President. Could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november . The lifelong peace activist scholar and Freedom Fighter is running as an independent in the 2020 for us president ial election. You joins me now from you. Thank you so much, professor west for coming back on going undergrad. Its been a long time ago daily and now youre running for president before i get to the present president s backing of genocide and gaza for american view. As of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this year. Oh shooting for all 50. I should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer, and by november 1 were shooting for 50 by but very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in, in the states the do operate is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidate. So you begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until february 1 in most states. And so that, thats why we, weve already got a last, weve got oregon, that the brass we have a number already, but were on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june, and then 50 by november. Well, lets just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign, you know, fan of dont know, but you could stop by means the backing of genocide, stop the u. S. U k, back bombing of syria. Rog, him and if you a president , clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of ours. Um, would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um your reaction to president biden. After all, you are a soldier of is in a way, last time round. Ive always been a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical but, and that try to be part of an anti fascist coalition. Thinking that by im going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality and mass incarceration cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. And thats why im really convinced that there is no major true that by themselves as not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing is a quarter of a part time like regina. But he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. As mirage is thinking that hes actually going to be pro, labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shut down the Railway Workers in this straight. And the Labor Movement too often steal up for him. Same as doing the black Community Brings in some black faces in i places and yet still reinforces policies that do in black for one working people. And so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the United States. I mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground. Because uh for you, the beginning me was donald trump. Now were talking about a president. I mean, its pretty rare that even though Even International bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. This is worse than anything trump could do. The mass, most of you know, many women. And i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers, the south african lawyers, and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attacks old pressures, palestinian brothers and sisters up the shift. I think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty and even when he got powered Child Poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. But it expired in Child Poverty rate double again. You see, i come out of the legacy was im gonna have to listen to the come depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless. This our sport trade union moved with 27. 00 minimum weight. I want to make sure it was fees and i guess, well then im very much for workers control. I want, i want to see work in the voice of shaping the destiny of the nation. Therefore, im calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopolies in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. But i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that theyre not contributing to the session with profits in calling in the course in the future. The plan so that its a better not just a progressive, but its, its a uh, a deeply, deeply revolutionary vision and platform and policy. And i think thats what we need because were living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. Ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political United States, but also spiritual and more now weve got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. Weve got to organize 3 thats on steroids. What are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it . And in addition to the structural and institutional what, what to, im sure you expected. What are the kinds of uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that once binding to when another time as president , despite, as i said, this International Court ruling that well could mean needs a Co Conspirator in genocide. This is what it means is fascinated not by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. I said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power what would be worth for work people in, in that enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. Im committed to those rest and all the rest of that be as an appetite middle east, that agent in latin america. But all admit was that i was calling in the questionnaire version of t. Now you remember margaret . Thats tina. There is no alternative. You must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted to injustice, and those and no, no, not at all. There is an alternative in this, in my campaigns. Nothing but a moment in a moment. This band for to keep in mind you see change of talking about will not come about when president wont come about with disability. Were talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. And of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. We dont need 800000000, its around the world. We dont need special operations. And a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. We meet the dismantled in poverty, 9 states, these to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. Im an anti imperialist candidate. Well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president , the United States. Isnt that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato . When he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well, is not going to quite we no worries. There is on israel. Youd be just list low for the right wing didnt bite and is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem. Defer. And julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. No trouble way. Ive just on that actually provides actually you can see and trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one of the last month. Oh, actually now does he didnt start any was remember trying to be assassinated people. He killed people and he typed in your part the region. He incurs nathan, yahoo, he is the one is talking about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. And thats in a moment worried about the vicious power spins under apartheid region. So that in that sense you doesnt have an enzyme feel as bone in the body easy. The nice elation of this was very different. So he would, i, i do view nato as an extension of american. A. German is a sensitive american imperial Foreign Policy. And therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. Heres critique of nature. We will spend too much money, easier for you and dont deserve it. They need to secure it themselves, and we will pull back a given window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. But given that is ran a cabinet minister as an adult about using is rarely nuclear weapons. And of course, weve never seen such tensions. And as their newgate engines that drain rusher and nato isnt the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. As regards a war in the military, Industrial Complex of what it says on what kind of coalition is talking about. So here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of cautions in terms of the truth. And the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. So for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got it wrong. Now iran has their critique of bud. Its, its, its at times its of very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. Im not a supporter of monarch of deluxe. I supported women live street a low. I support those who are resisting against the form of domination with them. Same is true with rush, rush itself was for both by the expansion of nato. It led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination in the silent thing of this isnt a voices and so forth. So they are the moral consistency alone. Were a political solidarity, so the coalition that im top not just the function of re out politic, but its also a commitment to true commitment to just as were ever whatever context we talk about. Let me put this in here, isnt there off of aspiration. I mean, tucker calls and on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. He doesnt have an enzyme fairly boating. Well the, the but it hasnt the change on, on people changing and becoming more. You just see it as isolationism, right . Wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father, hes got a critique of the beach and thats what i have my critique of the late his critique to release doesnt say mumbling word about mass incarceration at home. Doesnt say among them word about anti poverty program, doesnt say that mumbling word about white supremacy. And he was so pro White Supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. But as an end, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leaks. It makes him look and appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who is like your running her president. It isnt now the time, and would you have to try and you like and get this affordable . Those people we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm, michael says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now being advised that or yeah, no, the other train deleted the other. If were going to have person to support me, im going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. Were not a guard variety politician in that regard. Im not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice any way just in order to we in any way. No, thats best. Not how i yeah, thats not how i proceed. Professor, what do i do have for the rest of the company . Do that more from the 2020 for us independent president ial candidate after this break the to the cousins, bailey was not great because as bailey was expansion and need a ride can be along the we can discuss it, but the ra shot, their safety, expansion of nature, as a vital exist spouse will trap to russian security. And uh, it must be repeated once again. Thats russia, said it many, many times since the mid 1996 the the welcome back to going on the right. And im still here with professor going out west 2024 us independent president ial candidate. You know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that as you designate the right wing the populace to isolate she was like dr. Carson, are increasingly critical of u. S. Foreign policy over here in the middle east. The big story as well as gaza is that to him. Or on con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. He made some comments about his own withdrawal being conductive at the hands of the us conspirators and the so it reminds a lot of people in eurasia, in the middle east and africa and latin america about the us is sponsorship for democracy is at schools in the state department, what would you do is president , when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. You know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of c. I a fundamental role of us material Foreign Policy that over through democratic region, we could talk about what a model that weve talked about iran and we could talk about where z a we start, but Dominican Republic can talk about renee that you talk about panama. We need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. So you see, so often theres not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to a knowledge to prove about the ways in which the United States have been a anti Democratic Force around the world been pro marked it always been obsessed with profit always been obsessed with the International Monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit. But it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky peoples in africa and latin american agents. So is it fair to guide you through a function here . So people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands. Oh, poor and work, the people here and around the world. And therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the International Monetary for contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and work the people that oh, and just create african board was the and age and board was e and latin american boys. While the which are simply partners with, with the international capital, to can 10 you to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own poor people. As i mean trump again coming from a very different philosophy. Your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where hes coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. The certainly as big views of id be if we, i ca, i mean i dont know is more and come with the weather mode about the f b i who knows. He doesnt like them. Job job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. That is as imperialism vacant bay. We had an 1840. 00 stage more that conquer mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. Used to be mexico. Texas used to be mexico. Arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing, the mexico on the left of that truck now using the same language thats 19th century imperial language in that regard. So again, i dont see where the, theres any similarity to myself. And in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than, than the live is dropped, present to neo fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of by the flip side of neo liberalism is what militaristic, the gaza militaristic attacks of the human, militaristic, latin american, past africa at this very moment. Well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his National Security adviser was on this row. And it was trump who was offering at olive branch to venezuela. I if uh, if, if uh, what youre going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. Thats education on housing, on Free Health Care for ordinary americans. What are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the United States for so long . Again, i have to said, you know, trump, so you know, he ration was talking about american cottage that something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with United States over decades. But what, what do you do with dealing with that youre going to forgive it in a con is, would be late in the black. It was, and the brown. It was in a full big, deeply, White Supremacists, very, very different. Land is the which is viewing the world when he talks about sap that talk about the plan, the, the decay on the plan, the impact yes, the right about it. But i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position to critique. Well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. It is a very, the general like the low lies, whether you do get it and then theres a still a line of whole life and he got his own life. I may, its not some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. Be brought to justice. Im talking about wall street really to make how many wall street gains went to jail and inside of the Trading Market manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one in the bottom right now. One went to jail. I had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side of black side sacramento that in other parts that went to jail. But we just dont mind just not revenge them. And you know, i dont, i dont believe in vicious talk about revenge. I just want just may again, trump, this is upset with revenge. You dont hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. It all, you know, the pressure is a, against any president trying to bring in free healthcare given that some our financial power of that lobby. Why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power has the or even the binding ministration admits the price