This is a really important topic for america, and i think you get it if youre old enough to remember the o. J simpson case. Mr. Simpson, as you know, recently passed, you know, james sent some trial was a kind of clipping moment for americans. It was, it was the story of, of, of a very much like professional athlete who also happened to be very handsome. And on a 1000000 Television Commercials pitching everything from soup to nuts, the car rentals he was the guy right until one day that guy was accused of nearly be capitated, not kidding, capitated. His wife, nicole brown simpson, and a restaurant worker who had come by to return her sunglasses where she was any. It seemed almost obvious that he had done it and done it in a obvious fit of rage. But then a really smart attorney named Johnnie Cochran figure that there was really no way that he could defend this very guilty client. I mean, the evidence was everywhere, blood everywhere, unless he took a different tact. So what he, what if, what if Johnny Cochran seem to think, what are we going to use history, the history of our nation and race and race relations, and somehow combine them into a nice little ball and make that a defense. Americas very wide establishment had for centuries. Gotten away with kelly, i think just murdered lynching. African americans, especially African American men, African Americans who were innocent. By the way, for the great majority, is that what a somehow that story were melted into o. J. Simpsons defense . Guess what . It seemed to work as jurors. The majority of who were minorities, by the way, in this case because of where the trial was being held, seemed to take into account the past. And then they threw in the reset the actions of the l. A. Police department which at the time was, i mean, almost beyond the pay or when in terms of some of the corruption and some of the things that they were doing there. And then the hughes that, that, that ball of information to punish the states. Lawyers for prosecuting this fine upstanding African American man. Joining us now to discuss the o j simpson case and more we are joined by legal and media analyst turning vinyl of light on media and attorney ryder and political commentator robert patello, who was running by the way to be a superior court judge in Fulton County georgia, not far from where i used to live when i worked at cnn. So lets just start with this. Im gonna play a little video for you, and im just gonna ask you guys to put yourself there when you watch this happened, the verdict scene by. By the way, the verdict was seen by more people than watch a super bowl. It was seen by a 150000000 people and here it is. We have a jury in the box and time election, find the defendant or a job on fall, jane simpson not guilty of the crime of murder and violation of penal code. Section 187. 00, a, a felony upon nicole brown simpson. So there you go. I mean, i think that even though j surprise hes found not guilty when he turns to, but Johnny Cochran says, did i did . She said not guilty. Um. And then 2 completely different reactions. Black america, African American saw the, the, the, the, the verdict and they reacted like this. Watch century, sometime latch and find the defendant orange job runs out the sense and not guilty of the the these are, these are white americans. They see the reaction, they dont move their jobs are dropped, their son to different reactions from how can this be one case, one country, its like they were watching different cases. How can this be lab or get us started . A lot of things important. Looking at the backdrop of the older symptom into the trial and what would have been going on the same, the 5 years proceeding as you go from the historic runs or wherever, to suggest to 1984, 1988. And then the transitions directly into the rodney king beating the la riots. They have the pur, uh this prevents. So yeah, we showed the taking place in america that was played out in cities across the country and the purple that the backdrop of a corrupt Police Department in the lapd but many people in los angeles had experienced their corruption. And many people around the country had experience, similar corrupt and where Police Departments, i think we cant forget about the marked firm intake, which i think when the turning point in that case. Because by being able to paint the Police Department, its been capable of plotting and being capable of framing a life man as often happens. That is what previous mode that i and that cant be separate from the verdict. I get it. Let me stop you because i thought i was way ahead of you on this one, robert. Lets play robert. Lets play a Detective Firm and admitting that he was a bit of a racist. This guy was here, it is. And i use therefore saying that you have not used that word in the past 10 years detective for yes, thats what im saying. And you say on your own that you have not addressed any black person as a or spoken about black people as in the past 10 years detective for. Thats what im saying. So that anyone who comes to this court and for you as using that word in dealing with African Americans would be a liar. Would they not detective . Yes they were all of them. Correct . All of them. So one detective was the races. So that means youve got to let a guy who killed people go free. Seems really bizarre to me, but i totally got it. Just like i totally get what robert just said about everything leading up to this moment. What, what, what happens though . Line on heres where i want to bring you into. This is so the average i hate using terms like this, but lets just do it for the sake of argument. The average black guy in america jumps up and down and hollers and screams. And this celebrating the fact that a guy who Everybody Knows committed, the murders is getting off white people are going really that, thats, youre going to celebrate this. So now they in turn, start to go. Okay, then you know what . Im going to see you, my dear black friend who i havent gotten, have barbecues with my family all the time. I see you a little differently. Now. Theres some of this happen to some of it, but a couple of things here. First of all, what you just the clip you showed, i interviewed mark firm and i know the facts of the case and the tapes they were talking about were in reference to a books that he was writing, correct. What you dont know about is the black family that whos, whos murder of their son, mark firm and investigated, and who he had thanksgiving with years later. And i asked mark firm, and the question is, let me ask you a question of mr. Farm. It did you know where oj simpson was on the night of the murder. He says, no, i said, so let me go further. Lets assume you were to have planted this glove. An o. J was in brazil. You look like a damn fool. You have to know he was there, youd have to know he was there. Yes. So they, they. So what they did was they, they framed the guilty mat and be not mistaken. I saw we watch this on tv, but i was in santa monica during the civil case and he is as guilty as the day. Of course. However, however, there was irrespective of the jury law owes a reasonable doubt that my good friend, Johnnie Cochran and barrett, theres laid out and was there a racial divide . Certainly keep in mind that the venue for this could have been santa monica. But the deal guy said he was told specifically youre going to do this in l. A because were not going to have a repeat of rodney king. But i but because they couldnt afford another. Right. But, but the point im trying to make is, did, did you see i kind of believe robert, that it set us back a little bit. I think just as we were getting to the o. J. Simpson trial. There was a feeling in america that we didnt need to fix Law Enforcement so that it would be less brutal to African Americans and others, poor whites as well, by the way, and uh, and latinos and others. I did that there was a feeling that maybe we could all come together and fix this. And i think when, when, when, when African Americans hooped and hollered at that moment when they saw a guilty man being found uh, being freed, essentially that, that it may have created or made worse a rift or even created a rift. That wasnt there before. The see where im going with this or am i over. Thank you and robert. I think you think youre, youre jumping to short there rick. I dont think that the oj versus a nice people any more racist than they werent before. But i think we have a history of Law Enforcement of this country being abusive towards the African American. If you look at the founding dates, so many Police Department is not the 1790s, for example, during the founding of america as an 18321840 is because when Law Enforcement part before created to put down fugitive slaves is a history of policing of this country and their interests of, of, of African Americans. So old j from we found a way, a casual up to insert himself into this historical narrative. I ever use that to his benefit, to my car, about this area of reasonable doubt. And thats all the facilities you cant of you dont have any direct evidence of guilt. I think with that that was what the old g case really wants to try the touch tone for attorneys be more creative when it comes to finding reasonable doubt in case of the touch of this, let me Say Something else that might get me in trouble, but i think lionel is much more African American then oj was, im sorry, but this is a man who would never date, African American women barely had any African American friends, dated white on women, hung around with white blonde guys. His whole life was basically as the cash there. I say, lily white as possible. Im all on people in the world of all defendants in the United States to use the defense old, me for black people and what happened of my ancestors . Let me go free. I would argue he had to be the worst candidate or the least deserving candidate to be able to use a guy what, what, what was the most, the most forgiving black people for giving my phone or if you have to remember this one goes going on, right . Now we just saw wins has decided and so you want to come back the black community after wearing a white lives matter. Sure before owens is pumped you back in a big old you understood that fascinating. But i also like to say, lets just make it reflect like the record reflect, rick, that on this day i will forever be. No, no, im fact. Im going to chisel the. That one is more African American than o. J. Simpson dash rick sanchez, let me just Say Something couple of times 1st and 1st and foremost, the answer is yes. Yes, yes, yes, and yes, look, im here in manhattan and i dont know if you remember this, but during the john gotti trials, there were people who are real when he was acquitted. And it was not because he wasnt not guilty. It was for a variety of reasons. The l. A police were absolutely known for being absolutely despicable. Yeah. Scroll or not and i can understand how a lot of folks, i think i would have said like, well, well, well, you didnt care about anything before. Youve never cared about any black person ever being convicted or any guilty white person getting off. But now all of a sudden you get this, this hot shot defended with a hot shot lawyer basically using your laws against you and it just so happens. Thank god for oj you was the most incompetent Police Department ever so . Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, well let me just throw something in gentlemen, which i think is even more important than the racial aspect. Isnt it wonderful that were able to say at our, at our, with as and age that this was, we were there as a this was before social media. And gentleman, is it not amazing to you how much more we knew about this with so much of a fewer instances of coverage, less coverage. We didnt have everybody bleeding and tweeting, and yet they gave rise to cord to be it also by the way, at the time here people would go into sports bar, just a would you turn off the nicks . And by the way, turn on oj, and by the way, it was the night of the slowest b chase. It was a next game, they broke into an n, an n b, a game for this slow speed show you some is actually more of the jury and tell it as a matter of fact, there were, you know, i almost feel like you guys are writing my show for me or something because that was the next video that i was going to play, which is exactly what im going to do. When we come back, were going to take a little break and when we come back, Robert Lydell and i will discuss and look at that incredible day when all of a sudden everybody in america was calling each other and say, turn on the tv o. J. Simpson is about to commit suicide on a freeway at l. A. In a white bronco. Well be right back the, the analysis. But they that should play the tv. Is it that then you can put them in . So facade, indeed, let me put that in my head, that he would do it assuming that the, the, to look into intermedia. Nikoto is the dimensions of the photo from seen. Send the most of the to the, to the most, not the, you know, look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except were such shorter is a conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. We should be very careful about visual intelligence at the point, obviously is to create a trust rather than to the job with artificial intelligence. We have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. Existence was on the route. Ok, were going to do like where my whole body told me to get the color. Were going to do that. Just throw the get out the window. Were not going to buy. They are going to let you go up there. Just throw it out. The window plays you scared everybody. It came domino as the slow speed chase and it seemed like the world knew that o j. Simpson had done something. Most people believed including the police and he probably had killed his wife and that moment. And now he seemed to be telling the world or implying that he was gonna go somewhere and quietly pick out a gun and kill himself. And that, thats the way that thing was going to. And everybody was literally watching to see if he would blow his brains out right there on the santa monica freeway with the, with a gun and his. Busy body from uh from uh, usc the sitting in the seat next to him. I believe that out. Kelly, she yeah. Our colleagues i think was his name and thats how we all got. After that, theres not a Single Person who didnt run home every day to, to, to, to check their vcr, because they had recorded the truth, simpson case and the trial and everything that happened to it. What was it about that moment, that line and get us started that, that, that sucked us into this and maybe to this day now we, we are always checking the tv to see if theres another row j situation going on. Well, well, for 1st of all the, its the, the police officer, just throw a gun out the window, watch somebody picks it up, ridiculous. So 2 things that happened. It taught us how to Pay Attention to the facts. Everybody wanted to know and it was so great. What did about race it for us . It was a fax, for example, people at 1st would always say when i did a my radio show and w a, b, c, people became blood splatter experts over night. Everybody would call it the one guy said in particular, why wasnt there more blood in the bronco . Why wasnt there more blood in the bronco . And i said, why was there any button the bronco . This number one. Okay, this one . 0 gee, since it was issued cargo went oh jason, what was your card when they called up . Is it by the way your direct wife has been murdered . He said, oh, he didnt ask which one . I mean there were Little Things that happened and, and aside from that, people watched the case and what people not much know. Most people have never really seen a trial adult. The judge ito was, i think, robert, you would be a far better judge the judge. You know, who was, of course, the, the a, and im not sure what, what the welfare is and what the police did a trial before it. It all seemed, oh, i didnt know, but heres the new lives youre new to. It almost seemed like a guy who was star straws. He never bid on camera before. Yeah. My on himself little guy and all of a sudden hes on tv. Hes the most famous man in america. He is. He has johnny carson, basically doing that tonight. Joe. But it was actually a trial, and he didnt set a lot of really stupid things. But heres speaking of stupid, because we talk a lot about how Johnny Cochran took advantage of peoples racial sensibilities, which he did. And i think robert, you agree with that . Been successfully and there was something to take advantage of. There was a story there to take advantage of what it had to do with the murder, who knows, but he did it. But there was Something Else that i think had a lot to do with this case. And that was the lack of competence of the prosecuting team. There was no greater moment then this watch here. Heres a guy holding his hand wide open and trying everything doing everything he can to make it look like the glove. That was his. The glove. Now doesnt fit now room. 6 or the glove was found with blood on it and water on it and sweat on it. And that it was left in the locker room and the evidence area it had been sent was for a month. And mary, whats a good rubber . Good. What any, the prosecutor would tell somebody here, try to put on this glove. It was, you know, when i came from, do you know, do you know where they came out . It was f, lee bailey, f. F. Lee bailey, went to chris darden and said, quote, youve got the balls of a stuck port