And even now im rick sanchez. This is direct impact. The. This is a really important topic for america, and i think you get it if youre old enough to remember the o. J simpson case. Mr. Simpson, as you know, recently passed the o. J. Simpson trial was a kind of clipping moment for americans. It was, it was the story of, of, of a very much like professional athlete who also happened to be very handsome. And on a 1000000 Television Commercials pitching everything from soup to nuts, to car rentals. He was the guy right until one day that guy was accused of nearly be capitated, not kidding, capitated. His wife, nicole brown, simpson and a restaurant worker who had come by to return her sunglasses where she was eating. It seemed almost obvious that he had done it and done it in a obvious fit of rage. But then a really smart attorney named Johnnie Cochran figured that there was really no way that he could defend this very guilty client. I mean, the evidence was everywhere. Lot everywhere, unless he took a different tact. So what he, what if, what if Johnny Cochran seem to think, what are the good news history, the history of our nation and race and race relations, and somehow combine them into a nice little ball and make that a defense. Americas very white establishment had for centuries. Gotten away with kelly. I mean, just murdered lynching. African americans, especially African American men, the African Americans who were innocent by the way. But the great majority is what a, somehow that story were melted into o j. Simpsons defense. Guess what . It seemed to work as jurors. The majority of who were minorities, by the way, in this case because of where the trial was being held, seem to take into account the past. And then they threw in the reset the actions of b l, a. Police department, which at the time was, i mean, almost beyond the pay or when in terms of some of the corruption and some of the things that they were doing there. And then the views that, that, that ball of information to punish the states. Lawyers for prosecuting this fine upstanding African American man. Joining us now to discuss the o j simpson case and more we are joined by legal and media analyst turning model lied on media and attorney rider and political commentator robert patello, who was running by the way to be a superior court judge in fulton county, georgia not far from where i used to live when i worked at cnn. So lets just start with this. Im gonna play a little video for you, and im just going to ask you guys to put yourself there when you watch this happened, the verdict scene by. By the way, the verdict was seen by more people than watch a super bowl. It was seen by a 150000000 people in here. It is. We have a jury in the box and title action find the defendant or john owens all james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder and violation of penal quote. Section 187. 00, a, a felony upon nicole brown simpson. So there you go. I mean, i think that even though j surprise hes found not guilty. I think he turns to, but Johnny Cochran says, did i, did she say not guilty . Um. And then 2 completely different reactions, black america, African American saw the, the, the, the verdict and they reacted like this, watch century, sometime latch and find the dependent orange, job volunteering, sense and not guilty of the the these are, these are white americans. They see the reaction, they dont move, their jobs are dropped, their stand to different reactions from how can this be one case, one country. Its like they were watching different cases. How can this be labored . Get us started. A lot of things important. Looking at the backdrop of the older symptom into trial and what would have been going on the suddenly 5 years proceeding as you go from that historic run to reverend jesse jackson. 19841988. And then the transitions directly into the rodney king beating the la riots there. You have the pur, uh this prevents. So yeah, we showed the taking place in america that was playing out in cities across the country and the purple that the backdrop of a corrupt Police Department in the lapd but many people in los angeles had experienced their corruption. And many people around the country has experience similar corrupt and where Police Departments, i think we cant forget about the mark firm and take which i think when the turning point in that case, because by being able to paint the Police Department is being capable of plodding and being capable of framing a black man as often happens. That is what creepy i use. Move down item that cant be separate from the verdict. I get it and let me stop you because i thought i was way ahead of you on this one. Robert. Lets play robert, lets play a Detective Firm and admitting that he was a bit of a racist. This guy was here. It is. And i use therefore saying that you have not used that word in the past 10 years detective for yes, thats what im saying. And you say on your own that you have not addressed any black person as a or spoken about black people as in the past 10 years detective for. Thats what im saying. Sure. So that anyone who comes to this court and for you as using that word in dealing with African Americans would be a liar. Would they not be effective yesterday with all of them . Correct . All of them. So one detective was the races. So that means youve got to let a guy who killed people go free. Seems really bizarre to me, but i totally got it. Just like i totally get what robert just said about everything leading up to this moment. What, what, what happens though . Line on heres where i want to bring you into. This is so the average i hate using terms like this, but lets just do it for the sake of argument. The average black guy in america jumps up and down and hollers and screams. And this celebrating the fact that a guy who Everybody Knows committed, the murders is getting off white people are going really, you that, thats, youre going to celebrate the so now they in turn start to go. Okay, then you know what im going to see you, my dear black friend who i had gotten, had barbecue was with my family all the time. I see you a little differently now that some of those happen some of it, but a couple of things here. First of all, what you just the clip you showed, i interviewed mark firm and i know the facts of the case and the tapes they were talking about were in reference to a books that he was writing, correct. What you dont know about is the black family that whos, whos murder of their son mark for him and investigated, and who he had thanksgiving with years later. And i asked mark firm, and the question is, let me ask you a question of mr. Farming. Did you know where o j. Simpson was on the night of the murder. He says no, i said, so let me go further. Lets assume you were to have planted this glove. An o. J was in brazil. You look like a damn fool. You have to know he was there, youd have to know he was there. Yes. So they, they. So what they did was they, they framed the guilty man and be not mistaken. I saw we watch this on tv, but i was in santa monica during the civil case and he is as guilty as the day. Of course. However, however, there was irrespective of the jury law owes a reasonable doubt that my good friend, Johnnie Cochran and barrett, this laid out. And was there a ration of, id certainly keep in mind that the venue for this could have been santa monica. But the deal guy said he was told specifically youre going to do this in a way because were not going to have a repeat of rodney king. But i but because they couldnt afford another riot but, but the point im trying to make is, did, did you see i kind of believe robert, that its set us back a little bit. I think just as we were getting to the o. J. Simpson trial, there was a feeling in america that we didnt need to fix lawn. Busy treatment so that it would be less brutal to African Americans than others for whites as well, by the way, and i and latinos, and others. I did that there was a feeling that maybe we could all come together and fix this. And i think when, when, when, when African Americans hooped and hollered at that moment when they saw a guilty man being found uh, being freed, essentially, that that may have created or made worse a rift or even created a risk that wasnt there before. The see where im going with this or am i over. Thank you and robert. I think you think youre, youre jumping the shark there, rick. I dont think that the o j versus a nice people any more racist than they werent before that i think we have a history of one 4th through this country being abusive towards African Americans. If you look at the founding dates, so many Police Department is not the 1790s, for example, during the founder of america as an 1830 to 18 forties because when Law Enforcement partners were created to put down fugitive slaves as a history and policing of this country and their interests of, of, of African Americans. So old j from we found a way, a casual up to insert himself into the historical narrative. I ever use that to his benefit, to my car about this area, a reasonable doubt. And thats all this because serious, you cant. You dont have any direct evidence of of guilt. I think that that was what the old g case really was. The touch tone for tommys be more creative when it comes to finding reasonable doubt in case of the touch of this. Let me Say Something else that might get me in trouble. But i think lionel is much more African American than oj was. Im sorry, but this is a man who would never date, African American women barely had any African American friends dated white. One women hung around with white blonde guys. His whole life was basically as the cash there. I. Busy lily white as possible. Im all on people in the world of all the defendants in the united states. To use the defense old, me for black people and what happened to my ancestors . Let me go free. I would argue he had to be the worst candidate or the least deserving candidate to be able to use the guy what, what, what was the most of the most . The most forgiving blank people for giving my phone or if you have to remember this one goes going on right now we just saw ones at the side. And so you want to come back to the black community after wearing a white lives matter. Sure. Before owens has put you back in, i think oh, you understood that. Fascinating. But i also like to say, lets just make it reflect like the record reflect, rick, that on this day i will forever be no, no, im fact. Im going to chisel the on that line is more African American than o. J. Simpson dash rick sanchez, let me just Say Something couple of times 1st and 1st and foremost, the answer is yes. Yes, yes, yes, and yes, look, im here in manhattan and i dont know if you remember this, but during the john gotti trials, there were people who were thrilled when he was acquitted. And it was not because he wasnt not guilty. It was for a variety of reasons. The l. A police were absolutely known for being absolutely despicable. Where scroll or not. And i can understand how a lot of folks, i think i would have say like, well, well, well, you didnt care about anything before. Youve never cared about any black person ever being convicted already. Guilty, white person getting off, but now all of a sudden you get this, this hot shot defended with a hot shot lawyer basically using your laws against you and it just so happens. Thank god for oj, who was the most incompetent Police Department ever so . Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, but let me just throw something and gentleman, which i think is even more important than the racial aspect. Isnt it wonderful that were able to say at our, at our, with as and age that this was, we were there as a this was before social media. And gentleman, is it not amazing to you how much more we knew about this with so much of a few were instances of coverage, less coverage. We didnt have everybody bleeding and tweeting, and yet they gave rise to cord g b. It also, by the way, at the time here, people would go into sports bar, just a, would you turn off the next and by the way turned on oj, and by the way, it was the night of the slowest b chase. It was a next game. They broke into an n, an n b, a game for this slow speed show. You said there is actually more of the jury and tell it as a matter of fact, it were, you know, i almost feel like you guys are writing my show for me or something because that was the next video that i was going to play, which is exactly what im going to do. When we come back, were going to take a little break and when we come back, Robert Lydell and i will discuss and look at that incredible day when all of a sudden everybody in america was calling each other and say, turn on the tv o. J. Simpson is about to commit suicide on a freeway that way. In a white bronco will be right back the from the Worlds Largest democracy votes. The rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. Indias voice matters. But who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the, the, the the, let me get them out. Ok, were going to do like my whole body adult. Okay. Need to get the color. Were going to do that. Just throw the get out the window. Were not going to bother you. Going to let you go up there. Just throw it out the window plays. You scared everybody. And it came to me know as the slow speed chase. It seemed like the world knew that o j simpson had done something. Most people believed including the police and he probably had killed his wife and that moment. And now he seemed to be telling the world or implying that he was gonna go somewhere and quietly pick out a gun and kill himself. And that the package away that thing was going to and everybody was literally watching to see if he would blow his brains out right there on the santa monica freeway with the, with a gun and his old buddy from uh, from uh, usc, sitting in the seat next to him, i believe that out how we see. Yeah. Our colleagues, i think was his name. And thats how we all got. After that, theres not a Single Person who didnt run home every day to do projector vcr, because they had recorded the truth. Simpson case and the trial and everything that happened to it that what was it about that moment, that line and get us started that, that, that sucked us into this and maybe to this day now we, we are always checking the tv to see if theres another road j situation going on . Well, well, for 1st of all the go to the police officer, just throw a gun out the window. Watch somebody picks it up, ridiculous for 2 things that happened. It totters. How to Pay Attention to the facts. Everybody wanted to know and it was so great. What about race of 1st . It was a fax, for example, people i 1st would always say when i did a my radio show in w a, b, c, people became blood splatter experts overnight. Everybody would call it but one guy said in particular, why wasnt there more blood in the bronco . Why wasnt there more blood in the bronco . And i said, why was there any button the bronco . This number one. Okay. If one, 0 gee, since it was issued cargo, went all jason, what was your card when they called up . Is it by the way your direct wife has been murdered . He said, oh, he didnt ask which one. I mean there were Little Things that happened and, and aside from that, people watch the case and what people not much know. Most people have never really seen a trial adult. The judge ito was, i think, robert, you would be a far better judge to judge, you know, who was, of course, the, the a. And im not sure what, what the well bears, and what the trial before it. It also, you know, i didnt know, but heres the new lives youre new though. It almost seemed like a guy who was star straws. He never bid on camera before. Yeah. My on himself little guy and all of a sudden hes on tv. Hes the most famous man in america. He is, he has johnny carson, basically doing that tonight, joe. But it was actually a trial. And he didnt set a lot of really stupid things. But heres speaking of stupid. We talk a lot about how Johnny Cochran took advantage of peoples racial sensibilities, which he did um, and i think robert, you agree with that, then it successfully. And there was something to take advantage of. There was a story there to take advantage of what it had to do with the murder, who knows, but he did it. But there was Something Else that i think had a lot to do with this case. And that was the lack of competence of the prosecuting team. There was no greater moment then this watch here. Heres a guy holding his hand wide open and trying everything doing everything he can to make it look like the glove. That was his. The glove. Now doesnt fit now remember the well was around with blood on it and water on it and sweat on it. And that it was left in the locker room in the evidence area. It had been sent was for a month. And mary, whats a good rubber . Good, what any prosecutor would tell somebody here, try to put on this glove. It was, you know, when i came from do you know, do you know where they came out . I was f, lee bailey, f. F. Lee bailey, went to chris darden and said, quote, youve got the balls of a stuck port bar, but you have the balls of a star field mouse. If you dont make o j try that glove on in front of the jury. Any parent instead of him doing it out, but thats what happened and thats why he felt for the bailey and doesnt seem like a really good guy who was trying to do his best. But boy, in that moment robert patel out to you. Uh, do you mind blowing the case with that stupid move . Well, you know, the little table probably blown before that. Yeah, that didnt help. And the 1st thing that you learned in law school is you never ask a question. You dont, nobody answered. Yeah. So you dont have someone try on the glove.