Now my colleague row research here will be with you at the top of the hours, more stories and more updates by from the time action or time say welcome back to going underground bulk of single around the world from west asia, with a war from yemen to lebanon to syria, to iraq. The gaza has been widened with us public zelinski voicing support for the genocide in gaza. The war is arguably wide, is still one of the most important daily world wide bul costs that evades nato. Censorship is redacted. A bastion of independent journalism that refuses to lay down and believe press releases from blinking state department, or that genocide, co conspirator, joe biden. Natalie morris, former m. As in b. C. I got co host the show with our husband full of fox news as plate morris, who b tucker calls into leaving the dock mainstream outlets. Natalie joins me now from lisbon. Portugal. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, thank you so much. Thatd be for coming on. So lets just kick off your view of uh, how the retaliation from iran is being covered in the us media the the media landscape view inhabited before the starting redaction. Yeah. As you know, its confounding. Of course we all see that, but whats confounding me the most is how the United States continues to spin. Whether or not israel not having civilian losses in e rons retaliation just several days ago. Say lets, lets keep see that a, as a wind and deescalate it seems as though the United States has its puppets off their lease. These puppies are off the lease. They dont, theyre not in control any longer. So this, then, it just doesnt make any sense anymore. Unless youre only just jude joining the conversation right now, because the last 2 years have shown that the United States doesnt get their way. They spin things in a way that doesnt make any sense at all less like you mentioned in your introduction that zalinski now expressing support for the genocide and gaza. What does he care . He supported a genocide in the don boss for the whole of his presidency. So clearly, that doesnt bother him. Taking the champion that was the lensky, and now resigning him to 2nd seat. You know, its just clear that Foreign Policy in the United States is inconsistent and it has nothing to do with the respect for life. And i dont tonight do cover conflict, but it says if conflict are only successful from the viewpoint of native nations, if they kill lots of people, i suppose so. But i dont think that even nato leaders believe what theyre saying, because they continue to move the goal posts. We see them doing that in ukraine where 2 years ago it just was very fashionable to support ukraine, give you credit, whatever you wanted. As you mentioned, i live in western europe, and when the conflict came out, it was all over the place, how fashionable it was to save ukrainians, whatever you can do, taking a ukrainian refugee, i donated a car seat and some extra antibiotics. I dont know where the heck those things when it was just all the website mom groups. What can we do . Were sell her ro x because were saving ukraine. Well, just a few days ago was zalinski signed into law. The most are connie and draft law. Weve seen in modern history the conscription of even people who are no longer physical fit physically fit, he will be dragging them back into medical exams to see if they are in fact a someone that just a warm body. They can put on the front lines to serve the fact that they will be asking people, i mean, in the United States, we had a bit over the papers, please law in arizona. We apparently dont mind that it will be happening in ukraine. So, you know, this idea that ukraine is a democracy where its saving that we need to continue to go into debt for and support so that other people die, but we dont have to. Well, its a joke and you can see that need a, they dont believe it. They are just saying its because theyre paymasters require it. Yeah, i was on ski a, im signing up teenagers and because the ball is to elections. But then when you see how, i mean, im going to say personally, when i was in london before coming out here, it was clear people were supporting ukraine because they were told to do so. Then im the how are you finding the pivoting that even New York Times in washington posted in those mouth piece is already trying to self enough public opinion. But at the same time, the bible continuing to say, ukraine is as important as ever with the few new ones back tracking elements. A great, i was shocked to see David Cameron dusted off for this very purpose to do a tour in the United States to sell the idea of continuing to support you crazy. Thats why you went to the trump in myra longer a possibly possibly. And you know, of course, id be disappointed with any leader who continues to support war and ukraine because not just because of what it does to the american budget and my taxes. We just, you know, a few days ago had our tax day and, but i felt like a kick in the pants because i know as we were paying our taxes as americans. Well, heres a high bar that will do nothing to achieve any goals other than just continuing to kill innocent civilians in ukraine. And i think that youre right about the idea of yeah, i was in london recently too, and i saw ukrainian flags up in peoples windows and i still see them on social media profiles and whatever. I see that i just think you literally have done no research on this. Youre just doing what the bbc wants you to do. Its shocking. And i cannot, i feel like, okay, either im going to engage with that person and were going to talk about, you know, the history of ukraine, at least starting back as 2012. Or were not, were just not going to have conversations about it because anyone who actually studied, you know, theres a great academic that ive been reading all of his books since about 2010 called gilbert dr. O. And hed been warning about this. And publishing books, hes an american academic, talking about how russia is warning us that we are provoking them. Not just with nato expansion, but with, by moving into ukraine and ukraine, torturing the people of the don boss that theyre fighting so hard to get back. I think most people just dont know that they just refused to study. But another book that i had read oh, about 2 or 3 years ago called borderlands. And this is a very pro ukrainian book. It was a woman who just had ukrainian ties and wanted to write a book about ukraines recent history. And she had said that the leadership in ukraine, one of the things they were the most afraid of is losing the don boss region because its so wealthy and resources the minds there for your cranium and other things. Well, thats exactly what happened. So theyve been, were furiously worried about keeping this region well, also torturing these people. And i think just, yeah, youre right. The New York Times has been reluctant to cover that. The, with around the read very clear. It was very simple for the war, but then how easy is it . How easy will it be to filter down to the public use or those ukrainian flags still then all using would unprovoked as often maybe. And now we have a leak regarding the and the other nato, a nation back more even guys, the New York Times, apparently sending a memo to stop saying stop using the word genocide occupied territory. Dont use the word palestine. The ocean for saw it so that clear from editorial. It wasnt your experience when you were working and circled Mainstream Media that youd get these memos telling you not to use certain words. And how easily will the publics be persuaded to change the views say, with regard to your grade and continued just about genocide as with the gaza . Well, thats a good question. I dont think that the Mainstream Media is ever going to admit that they were wrong on ukraine, that they were swallowing a line that basically support for war. And ukraine was tantamount to believing weapons of mass destruction. And i dont think theyre going to do that. I dont know if you saw the recent article in the free press by the n p. R. News editor euro 3 or a berliner was his name, where he talked about how he always knew that n p r, which i think we can extrapolate best to any, maybe one like the bbc in the United States. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. So if you know any, maybe once, well respected media outlet outlet like the New York Times um or uh, cbs news. Uh, but this n p r news editor, what he said was, i always knew n p r was left leaning. You know, subaru driving, white educated democrats, but we always had at least a Fair Distribution of our audience, but its shrunk with so much and has become so much an echo chamber for our echo chamber, sorry for is just basically what you and i thought, why liberals that its trunk their audience because of it because their Editorial Staff has dug their heels in on certain coverage such as around palestine around cove. It around hunter, bidens laptop. He goes point by point around George Floyds desk. He said these were opportunities to do real journalism and n p r decided not to, but instead they held all these diversity meetings. They started tracking their source is based on diversity. So youre not even trying to tell the news. Youre only trying to paint a story of virtue signaling and it, he says it just eroded right out from under me. What he did was he went to his bosses and said, this is the problem. We have no republicans working in the news room. So we have no diversity of thought, nobody is actually trying to see the side of the audience thats leaving us. And the ceo said, oh yeah, its interesting ill, ill take your meeting and then cancelled it and never rescheduled because they just felt like i guess for whatever reason i dont need to hear that. And thats very much my experience because i never saw this kind of refuse refusal to look at stories when i was a journalist, i dont think im, i was as shocked as everybody else. I was already independent by the time the pandemic it. But this lack of curiosity about where cove it came from, whether the vaccines were safe or not, whether people were actually being harmed to buy them. Whether that cobit numbers, they just, they lacked curiosity and were all in on punishing people who work curious. And that for me was a big turning point. Its not about pushing the narrative. Its about asking the questions, even if you dont want to that and then the war and ukraine where i, you see, theyre lying there too. Whos lying there pretending like ukraine just popped up out of the blue like lead. And so im fairly designing money i made for myself. There was money to be made many commercial stations funded by pharmaceutical companies. In fact, as to the cobit story, theres no money to be made. I suppose stocks defense stocks, the popularity of shows like redacted is best them into the fact that the people on interested in watching all those kind of fake news stories in so go Mainstream Media, but then i understand, i mean were being hit similarly. They, the Silicon ValleyIndustrial Complex has a way of trying to destroy your audience, accessing your show. Yes, they do, and im sure youre familiar with the cast review, which is b, n, a test story of the n h s, the National Health service, and the u. K launched a years long study showing how Little Research they have around transgender children, and specifically the sex change surgeries and the cross sex hormones that they give them at very young ages. And the cast review was fantastic. I spent a whole weekend reading it. Thats why i didnt get any coverage on comcast. Sky news in britain. Right. Really . Yes, yeah. And my piece on it on redacted was hit with them. Well they, they at least down ranked it. And so i was really disappointed because this is an academic paper. But it is me covering it and validating it, makes me guilty of wrong think. And this kind of thing happens to us all the time. And its, its really discouraging. And there are times that are like, why do we do this . You know, its, its really terrifying. To speak freely on these platforms. But guess anything . Thats easy. Well, everyone would do it right. So someones gotta do something hard and im still alive. So thats why we do it. And we have 3 kids and i dont want to look at them and think, well, we didnt try our best or try and create the world that you deserve. So yeah, i do want to make that point though you, you mentioned about the New York Times, not saying palestine. We dont use that either just because they, those people have not been given a country yet. Its not really a place and recognized by somebody being but natalie more as ill stop you that more from before my m. S. Mbc anchor and current co host will be used to show redacted after this break the the welcome back to going, ill be going. Im still here with read that goods Natalie Morris to thank you for having me. Natalie. You enjoy hearing about the fact that youre still alive. Context of that sense to ship it to let you know its an ongoing story. This reauthorization of vice a warrantless wire tapping. I dont suppose youre going to tell me all about the fact that your, you and your husband about the bugs you buy us as far as hes but a pasta house. The waiting senate approval, Edward Snowden, tweeting from moscow where he has been co for safety. How scary is the reauthorization of this wireless . Why its happening or does it know methods to john . Lets realize in the us that under surveillance by the security stage all the time or, well, i sort of assume that were always being watched because of that, i did read Edward Snowden book and i found it terrifying. But i dont think that this is the make or break moment of censorship. I think that this as showing just how complicit our leaders are by allowing it. But even if it had not passed, even if there was no supporters of it, you know that these Government Agencies are still going to continue to casually dip into whatever they want and help themselves to whatever bits of your life that they want. And so i think that its more insidious than that then just this one bill, and i think its going to take much more of an overhaul then just you know, one. But one of the things that i think is so interesting is that these different Government Agency is now they just keep popping up and being born c sub a c i s a is a new one from the state department that terrifies me. And the way that theyre using these different non Government Agencies to do the bidding of down ranking or punishing people on social media or reaching in the social media and taking what theyd like. And one of the things that we know is that these agencies dont necessarily talk to each other. So the n s a might buy some data with our tax dollars. I might add, its april, thats top of mind. So the, and i say might buy some data and then oh, you know, the c, i a is buying that same data, but they actually dont know. The same thing happens with the 0 day exploits, these Software Bugs that they can get in and watch you. However, they want and so its redundancy. So you see on redacted we always have this National Debt clock. Well that of that is happening for so many reasons. But made worst by the fact that these different Government Agencies are buying the same a Digital Assets in duplicate, and they just dont know. So even if one agency were told, hey you, you kinda gotta stop that. Or at least you have to start getting a warrant. That doesnt mean the others wouldnt. Its, its bigger than all that. Unfortunately. Maybe its because the infrastructure is already paid for in the United States. They dont need the money for you, do you . But you personally miss the United States, even though from a far you can tell just by statistics about the levels of poverty inequality in the infrastructure spending, i know that you have one redacted, a different view of what happened with that bridge catastrophe recently in the United States yeah, absolutely, and you know, theres still so many things to be learned about that, but it does seem like its very much a subterfuge. Thats something that clayton spend covering my husband at length. But, but it also just feels like a, a crumbling and you know, it, it, it feels even if it, even if its not a cyber attack, it does, it does feel symbolic of a lot of crumbling infrastructure in the United States, which makes me sad. I mean, clearly it was dangerous to choke out against cove it because authority said oh, it was about to lock down. And so, and how dangerous did you both feel and your team feel when you were questioning the narrative about a headless babies be headed babies on october, the 7th, and claims of mass rape. And so on october the 7th, which, you know, weve had guests on saying that this was of use to justify what the redacted and we dont go in underground coal to genocide to powered via us u. K. You nation weaponry. I would say israel is the scariest. Its much scarier than ukraine was. And we felt terrified covering ukraine for a long time. And we got on some scary lists from people who are very pro ukraine, who said that we were traders or russians. Stooges, we had that a lot, put an apologist. Now youve joined how much awesome you joined him off. Right. Really . Yes, yeah, and i, you know, im trying to think was, i is scared covering all of this and ukraine over the last 2 years as i have felt about going up against a zionist government. And i dont know, im scared a lot. So i, im not sure, you know, if i think you had the little arrow and you show we did, we did. Yeah. Mind us. What happened to them . Right. Yeah. Someone who was not protected by the United States government was th