Delegates are pledged to him at which point if he did volunteer. Busy step aside, there would have to be whats called an open convention, which means that delegates then would be free to choose whoever they want it. The democrats have a problem in the sense that they have comma harris, the incumbent, Vice President of the United States, ran for president herself, given the democrats, whether they mean whether its identity politics, are they really in a position to push aside an incumbent, female Vice President and go with the say, gavin newsom of white male governor of california or a direction wimmer that would result in a lot of housing and happiness inside the Democratic Party and would undermine their democrats central argument that they are protecting democracy when in fact, if theyre gonna have jo binding gets dumped or pushed out . Theyre gonna have the most anti democratic process of all by having their nominees selected by a couple 1000 political insiders. And so thats a big problem for them coming and going into the summer and going out in the general election in the fall. I definitely want to watch uh, very interesting. They would have to leave it there. Thanks for joining me here today, john until and blue eyes. Thanks again. My pleasure as well. That on some of this news on the bell is on the cross slope these next we so the website will move back to the top of the night. This level news on the, [000 00 00;00] the, [000 00 00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. Were all things are considered on peter level. A pattern has a merge to more of the west panics. Over its failed ukraine project. The more it is willing to escalate the complex, the same conflict that they say theyre not directly involved in. The last thing they are considering isnt negotiated, settlement the cross talking ukraine. Im joined by my guess, Larry Johnson in tampa. Hes a managing partner for burg associates, a former c i, a analyst, and Us State Department counterterrorism official. And like jackson, we have daniel mcadams. He is the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for peace and prosperity. And here in moscow we have set us up. Could i please have nick . He is a former Us Army Officer and veteran. I generally cross top roles in effect. That means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you. So many things have been happening over the last few days. The usual nonsense coming from the french president contradictory information uncomfortable coming from Sergeant Schultz in germany. And then of course, we have these german generals talking. But you know, all in all in, if you want to kind of distill down whats going on is whats called sunk cost fallacy. They cannot comprehend that they have put so many resources into a project that is failed utterly. But theyre willing to double down. Daniel as well, you know, here we have a center, Michael Rubio from florida, and i think it was just that. I said, i knew all along you couldnt, couldnt when i just didnt want to say anything because i didnt want to do you know, this, it discouraged genuine or dissuade anyone . And i think thats the carrier in the back. I remember after a few years in the iraq, you started seeing people all the think tankers and all the experts started saying that, well, i knew all along, it was a bad idea. Well, i knew of a lot of they didnt have views. I just didnt say anything. So i think when you start seeing the rats like rubio clean the sinking ship, i think, you know, at least in the us, the game is up. And when you talk about, well talk about later, the, the money and the Republican Party in the us as we move into the electro season. It doesnt look good from the us side for ukraine. Well, you know, larry, there seems to be this infallibility complex that these people have, but they just cannot comprehend that they have a major escape look, afghanistan, iraq, thats far away. You can say it was a long time ago, but this is impacting the world in a way they never could have imagined particularly europe here, and its reputational damage. Here they are not infallible, and thats what theyre finding out. Larry. A, theres a whitening gulf between the rhetoric has a capability. So on the one hand, as we solve a theatre, separate conversations with the germans. Yeah theres, theres always talk about boy, yeah, we went, we went to escalate this or we want to lucky using the taras missile to hit the coach bridge. But then at the same time they can see it. Well, yeah. Okay. Its going to take 8 months. We cant do it right away. Member the 1000000 shells we were going to produce for ukraine. Oh, well, okay. We did 300000. So they the across the board, the, the us military kept me this recruiting goals the british have. Or what i call the jeff pile dysfunction, they can launch a missile out of a submarine. And so from the actual military capability, the nato has it, its, its a rex, its a disaster. And yet, the, the, the, what theyre saying and the threats that theyre making towards russia are becoming sort of more intense. So the really is a disconnect. Well, larry, i want it before i go to spanish box here, and can you just give us an assessment of the french army right now . Well, by the way, the it was going to ask larry what the, what the, what the french army, what is it status right now . I mean, is it a, is it a major power . No, no. Okay. Okay, hold. Thats awesome. Good to go to status. Well, for right now, well, the french president is talking about sending troops. Now i dont speak french, ive looked at the transcript, its hard to say the same french troops or nato troops. Its unclear, at least my reading of it. But what about that . I mean, were talking about escalation, this is what this program is called, expect escalation, nato troops in ukraine. Really status . Well. Well, 1st of all, by the way, the jackson issue isnt just what the british, the germans show, the same thing in the red sea when they try to down an american drone that they took to be a hoss style to missiles. Both males fell into the seats, so its a sunday or wide issue, you know, even even in the ninetys and begin to thousands of a serve. And you could watch the degradation and, and discipline, you can watch the degradation in a combat readiness that was already underway. Across the french do have units that can go, theyve got the French Foreign legion, theyve got special forces troops, but theyre not enough to fight an actual war. So i think what theyre hoping is, once they go in and theyll pull the rest of the data with, with them behind them, thats one thing. If its just the french or its the pre Baltic States that go in there and some, and theyll back off. Its a different thing, i mean, if its a polls or for both, its a different thing. If its a french, the germans, that werent a british go in, theyll pull it, theyve got enough weight to pull most of nato behind them. Whether nato likes it or not. Once a bullet starts flying things to the im, you know, i dont want to be too blunt here, but i mean, the long to Russian Missile to kill like a nato sells or just like it kills a ukrainian one. Whats the difference . Right, well, we could ask the 60 or so french soldiers in art and theyve got a, its got the arrow and they thank you for reminding our audience. They maybe that is what got the crowns are all set off. I mean, he, hes a, hes, he always has, hes triggers around to mom. Weve gotten used to that with the french president , daniel, you know, the same with me, chrome, he said defense essentially that russia should not be allowed to win. I think really what hes saying is that nato should not be allowed to lose as well when i was really confused when they said that because i thought they already were winning the agent to be here. So are they already what, you know, i mean, i was listening, i guess, to the wrong us generals who said that we, they, you know, theyd already want. So is it does smack of desperation. And you know, its, theyre sending all sorts of signals the, the intercepting conversation, whats actually the germans are saying today. It wasnt intercepted at all, is basically a boomer mistake. One of the generals didnt dial in, right . And so, you know, dont blame us off. Were still secure, dont worry, they havent heard anything. We said um, but these things keep leaking out and they keep pointing in one direction, which has as you appropriately titled the sho escalation. And i just wonder, you know, it seems like the little baltics are just trumping at the bit and to get in, if this is some sort of signal for them to get more involved. Well, daniel, what do they actually have . I mean, nato consists of 2 major militarys United States, which is far away. It has bases in europe, obviously, and theres turkey, turkey is not going to get involved in this whatsoever. So what is left . I mean, what should rush itd be worried about . Well that is desperation because were moving it now with every day it becomes clear and clear. And this is particularly true yesterday when the Us Supreme Court said no states, you cant kick a guy off the ballot because you dont like him. Its becoming clear and clear, the trump will be the nominees, and the numbers are certainly his way when you look at national moles. So trump, for all of his fault, and there are plenty of them. He, it, these to this point is not displayed an appetite from going all in. If you remember back when the so called chemical attack and really happened, you loved a couple of bombs out into some field somewhere. You didnt go all and so i think that is responsible for a good deal of the panic. Yeah, well, i, larry, i give you a, what is nato as a military force visa v. Russia as well . It is there nothing there is to put it simply look, the reason they to has expanded over the years is because that was the only way that nato could maintain force level force structure. And so without it, because they werent able to build up and sustain their own armies. I mean, right now the british army, i think its full strength, is 70000. 00. And all of that, if you, what are the calls or anybody combat capable, youre, youre looking maybe at 30000. 00. Well, you know, the, the russians are showing to that. Its in 2 weeks of the did oh, you know, the, the french army has similar challenges as do the germans. So across the board, you, you wind up with this Patchwork Quilt of Different Military capabilities, Different Military traditions, Different Military organizations. They try to standardize it and, and the lines its been coming out of washington is all port data is more united. The never, well, you know, that, that name is sort of gone away. Particularly with my career on and, and shows uh uh and, and then the ultimate uh, cast bite with each other. Uh and, and the bread so, you know, theyre, theyre very unhappy with the germans as well because shoals, uh, out of them is, you know, that theyre active and all the ground, the new crate. Well i, i think you could make an argument spanish off that day. The french and the british always are upset with the germans. Its just a historical thing. Okay. But i mean, its interesting stanislaus given the, the scope in our conversation so far. I think the blame game is already started. What do you think of as well, you know, this kind of reminds me of a bomb is no child left behind program or on american schools. When it gets lowered, the standard so low, you couldnt leave anybody behind because anybody could step over. Nato integration is gone about the same way. Weve lowered the standards so low that a lot be or, or story. It looks like a military power. On the other hand, you know, to be honest, uh there are enough military units there that if they start a flight, its going to be a flight. The better to be lost as on both sides. Its not going to be over in a week. It will be over, it will be over and only one direction. Unless some, some miracle happens for nato. But its still going to be a flight. Its still going to be award. So its an editor. We shouldnt downgrade it, totally as if theres not a thats not going to have anything. Well, i mean, so we have a nightstand, airport. So then what will you be knowing the military . I mean, if youre going to have air support, do, does need to have air support in ukraine or outside of ukraine if its outside of ukraine. Isnt that a fair target . Yeah, absolutely. Right now the way theyre doing it is the plains are hiding mostly in poland. They fly out of pole when they land and ukraine on a ukrainian, the air base, the fuel, our arm up and then fly mission. So right now russians kind of ignore that and theyre not hitting them in poland. Now the problem with f sixteens is a, they are made for asphalt carmax. Theyre not made for uh, concrete, carmax, lloyd, soviet and russian. Now planes are made for 2 for them to land on the concrete topping, right . They have to carry a lot less weight, otherwise theyll break their traffic. Nobody the landing gear. So for that matter, that means thats a lot more of a constrained mission because you got less fuel, less ordinance. Now if theyre flying out of poland, its already been said, and i hope thats the line. Thats how theyre flying at a pool and go straight to combat mission. Those full, the share bases are part of the fight. In their final flight, there are league, there are a legal and moral target to be hit. So do you want to set that up there . And target here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, well continue our discussion on ukraine. Stay with our teeth, the show room just dont have to shape out the application and engagement trails. When so many find themselves will support, we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome x across stuff were all things are considered. Im peter louisville. True mind you were discussing. You create the lets go back to daniel lake jackson, a of the american angle, and all of this is, of course the a, the Senate Passed the, the house and with uses even to discuss at this point here. Um is, will there be a, a go around you will there be eventually some kind of aid still going to ukraine, visa v, you just, i was gonna mention marco rubio given that kind of, uh, a logic of coming for marco rubio. Some money will eventually get there because its bidens prestige on the line. Yeah, i think with every passing day its less likely theyll get the full enchilada sent to them the 61000000000. 00. But again, were moving heavily now into the election season. A trump has all but captured the nomination as the republican and he has, hes essentially the head of the Republican Party United States now. And so you have a Republican House that literally hangs within a hairs breadth of a majority. They kicked out a republican because he was a weirdo. And now they have basically, you know, one or 2 guys. So its very important that the Republican House, a beast, a lines itself with President Trump and i think thats what they want to do despite the misgivings, among some show, say more reino or back venture type republicans. So was every day theres, theres more of a danger that they wont pass, but there needs, as you say, it needs to be something that will pass in. Speaker johnson is not a good, ideologically opposed or pretty opposed in principle to send the money to ukraine. We use the he, he voted for money in the past. Okay. I mean, he was on board for that. He has in the past, but now theres just basically the stand off about immigration. And so they, republicans, anyway, have a, use this as a, a, as a, a, a width against the democrats and president biden. We need a serious immigration of the bill, or were not going to pass the money. So its kind of a challenge got with being thrown down now and the democrats can afford it back off and on immigration now theyve already lost, you know, states like, uh like michigan you know, to abide this last that because he decided to align completely with his real, and thats another story. So youre really having a something thats going on in the political sphere now that goes well beyond the war fighting the larry im, im sure you saw lloyd austins to testimony to congress. I dont know what you know. Maybe hes just recovering from his surgery because this guy was so delusional. The scare mongering of it was so transparent as well. Again, desperation in the air, larry, whether the trying to do everything we can to put pressure on congress to cough up the money. Speaking of coughing, and heres the issue. There is not the kind of Political Base in the United States for ukraine that exists for israel. So, you know, the theme, the theme song for congress ought to be that the, from the, you know, the movie, cabaret money, money, money, money, money, money, money, the money makes the world go around. So i do say congress ultimately will allocate, they will approve funds for quote, you crate. But the reality to do that money is not going to ukraine. Its going to General Dynamics is going to rate the on its going to Lockheed Martin and staying in the United States. And then its getting passed back to the members of congress whos going to need to have some, some cash in their election coffers coming up for november. So, i mean, its a scale. And at the same time, the United States is under great pressure from the american is rarely Political Action committee to pony up the funds. To keep this real in the fight. And its a United States does not have limitless military capability. Theyve got to make choices. And so their choices in that is, theyre gonna, theyre gonna send whatever equipment, material, munitions, the israel, but to ukraine, ukraines toast. Yeah, well, its a set us up. Its very interesting that it gets down to legal requirements to send money to ukraine. But if there is no barriers to send it to israel, congress i think, has already been over written twice by this administration. Its not as i have a kind of a military question for you. I mean, is one of these things that going back to what my chrome had to say, and i dont know, maybe hes just wanting to remain relevant. You know, he wants that ill do the germans and the bread. So i dont know, there could be an internal dynamic there, but theres this sense, you know, if day to send troops, the ukraine, the russians will dare touch them. That is ridiculous thinking span as well. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when youre in a proxy where youve got one or 2 choices, when youre losing either leave or you double down. And that seems nato the problem with a lot of nate or leaderships to is there in an echo chamber here, the same thing back. They talk the same words, they speak the same words and youre the same thing back and forth. And they came here and how russia is just on the break. Just a little more, i know, finally, correct. Its the same thing is when you go to vegas and you put your kids what your college ones on the line, the house, the wifes, my wedding ring, and just one way. And ill get it all but, but youre not going to get it all back. You just going to go for their broke it and youre looking basically gambling addicts as well. Theyve put everything on the line short of their own countries and theyre willing to do that too. Well, if the, if i can get the better for so i liked the, the vegas men of course of the ukrainians or the chips. Right . Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh or is this a bigger what table . Spinning a and theyre losing the house, wins and theyre not the house much. They want to think their house. Daniel, really, the desperation that you, you see coming out of your opinions is that nato is facing a strategic defeat. And thats something they simply cant comprehend. Candy daniel, you know, they cant at all and thats why you see bizarre things like german generals talking behind the backs of their commander in chief who says no, no, torres is and then, and then you have the conversation. How many tours will it take to new the bridge . But im one of the, the, the, to pick about something this thomas love said, because he makes an excellent point. And it reminds me so much that we have learned nothing from iraq. Because i remember when i was working in the house with dr. Paul endless. Foreign Affairs Committee hearings with fred kagan waddling in there, sitting down and telling us just one more serge, guys. Just one more serge. Weve almost got this thing one for both your rock in afghanistan by the way. So this is the, this is the garbage that theyve pulled all along. They havent learned from it the because they profit from it. But picking up on something that larry said as well, if you look at the, the opinion polls in the us, not only is a to ukraine, extremely unpopular, particularly among republicans. I think its Something Like 75 percent. But certainly in the mid the high sixtys overall oppose it, but even more 80 israel, surprisingly enough to boost the last poll, i saw 50 some 59 percent of republicans were opposed to more military aid to israel. So these wars are extremely unpopular. I cant help but think that republicans and press and past and potentially future President Trump arent looking at these polls. Yeah, larry, one of the interesting things and listening to um are those are the probably the woman that we probably all agreed should be demonized. The most is victoria newland, and she said twice when she was in k of and then later i had a conference is that there be some surprises for putin, if she likes to say, it seems to me considering the german, the big german conversation. But its terrorism that theyre going to conduct thats what they, thats what the surprises are. Terrace terrace acts against civilians. Larry, well, yes. At but us it is, i think, aware and prepared for you know, this, this get a series of incidents this last week where you 1st had this, the statement from my car on, you know, the escalated, know that and lets say time it came up with the New York Times article about c i a basis and ukraine and the, all of that, the stuff in c, i a, was doing for this support the ukranian more. And then you had put in speech is state of the union state of russia. And was that a put in thats a very clear markers about what the west is facing, that they continue this and then the leak. And i and i do believe the league came from russian intelligence. It was not accidental. There there put the west on notice. Okay. Youve played this game now for over 2 years of using you of its starting yourselves in this war, but pretending that youre not there, its for of killing russians and not taking responsibility. Thats over. And in fact, we had a news report just the other day. I think the day before yesterday, it looks like the russians did hit one of the ca, bases around so me and killed the personality and nobody said anything about it and want to keep that under wraps. But i think i take the russians now major decision. Okay, the, the gloves in that respect are coming off. If, if the nato forces continue to insert themselves this way, we will hit them and we will make them pay, you know, as status about the, essentially the same questionnaire. I mean, the nato is over play to 10 is a matter fact if you really think about nato, really, i never expected that a long term conflict they, they, they, they, they believed in the fantasy that the Russian Troops went up to camp. And then they ran away and you know, they could call victory or as johnson called it off, and now theyre stuck with a hand that they dealt themselves status. Well. Yeah, you know, the product of to the surface like the ukrainians use flying columns. Uh no strong point was ever taken uh, our neighbors son was fighting and one of the strong points they got pulled. They got in circles, they got pulled out by russian advice, relief troops. And they stepped back. But they stepped back in an orderly manner, continued the lines that were a flexible defense for their falling back on new lines, new lines. So theyve got down to a hard in line that, that ukraine has been pushed through. The thing that nobody talks about is ukraine had an armored test that it created with several brigades, and it kept them in how to go around civilians knowing that the civilians are going to get hit. And now theyre parked in the, in the underground garage is areas like that, knowing that russia isnt gonna hit those builders. I gotta do a garza on, on how to go. Well, that armored fist had to come out for this flight and they lost a good chunk of that on this. So that had been putting together for a while as far as terrorism. Lets start 2014. You could ask my elderly and then uh yes, a lot of photos the 9 years under fair. When i went there last time, i saw it was in november we we came flying in there at a 140 kilometers an hour through. I bombed up a road. You can go slower than that. Youve got drones over here, that are bring in artillery rounds on civilian cars. Youve got drones that are come across these drones, these line all over the place. So youve got to fly in fast, just to get into the town, and then you know they, they get artillery costs and like, well, ill stand it or talk with my uncle when you can hear their teller routes coming in. You know, im, im, i certainly close enough that if its whoever, but i will have a, are totally around landing on my head. You know, welcome jesus. Thats, thats kind of that moment. Were going to worry about it coming down on top of my head. You know, thats how thats how all the people live there. Now you are the, im, im really glad that you mentioned that because it is never enough said that this war has been going on since 2014. And the people of the don mass worked tear reiser 8 of those years. And its something that they will never forget and the russian people will never forget and the russian political 8 will never forgive. The defeated, the west conducted itself around the minsk agreements. Thats all the time we have gentlemen. I want to thank my guest in tampa, leg jackson and in moscow. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. Are to see you next time. Remember costs on the the the the, [000 00 00;00] the, it was a major issue. They probably be doing it by giving me the conditional issues, the final appreciate the goals and because then what issues typically with blue cross you will get to the city to soft. Okay. So should the cases chose coast mcadams . Let me choose the name just you pretty much the folks that are on the road. Norma jean, you will, you will what that would return . Yes, thats the most important thing to do. Some of the risk adjusted is the, this is sort of what youre selling. Youre successful, who wants to build some of the key treasures to go and i still dont know if im forward to for, for most of which might give him the adult story is this uh, this the device between the german charles a lot of the countries for man, so the delivery of a long range weaponry gene grain and comes off the russia. Is this a good enough still nice thing or do you have been which of these policies . Well, as far as prison myself to russian emphasis on that journey, a visit to pro, present like one urgency the allies to quote, not beat towers while supposing to it comes off that he will black comment as on his husband later on the ground,
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