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This week, and bushnell, he set himself on fire outside washingtons is riley embassy, shouting free, palestine with his dying breath says hes ready the security and the gunners. Him all. This is joe biden, but just more billions of dollars from the usa to israel to carry out the genocide. One journalist who tries to hold us to account inside our cab, Washington Bureau chief, who, out goods newspaper, he joins me now from washington dc. Thank you so much site for coming on the show, millions demonstrating as i said, all around the world today. I against this war in palestine. Tell us what its like to be in that state Department Briefing room. People can watch that on, on the answer that your questioning of buttons representatives, i mean youre, youre asking questions of representatives of alleged Co Conspirators in genocide. Whats it like as well . Thank you for having me. Yes. And im honored to be with you on this program at 1st of all, i mean i, i do i go there every day basically, cuz i need to my job. That is my job. The state department has always been my be i used to go to the, to the white house at one point and i stopped doing that because uh, i get a great deal more uh, from the state department than i would otherwise have from the white house. So, and you know, 1st of all, i go there because i need to do my job and im focused on us Foreign Policy security policies. And of course, Everything Else us related because to be quite honest, im a one man show here for my newspaper. So thats number one, i go there with this mindset. You know, i need to know what are the dynamics for the day or for the week in general. So i can approach and see what are the us stance on these issues. I dont go there for showmanship and i definitely dont go there to score points. I quite simply go there to ask my question and be able to write about it because you are there with the other journalists and you witness. When you talk about showmanship, jo john cubby was there. Uh, i think um, i say a month ago giving some briefings. Hes now moved onto the white house, giving them. And you see Matthew Miller and youve seen, i dont know whether its showmanship. I wonder whether its genuine, the pain in the faces, as they talked about the events of october, the 7th. How do i compare that to the pain they show in their faces when were talking about, well now millions, obviously facing famine in gaza, but before then the 10s of thousands, mostly women and children being killed by americans. Weaponry. Yes, it is the difference of day and night, no doubt about that. You know, i was a Spokes Person for the United Nations and the rock. So i know it, this is not an easy job for any person to sit and basically be a mouthpiece for the, for the, for someone and more so for the government then id states of america and it has a very aggressive policy all throughout the world at at 700 basis also out of the world that the number of boys that are ongoing. So they are, they have a plateful of priorities. Uh to the good to do the bidding on behalf of their government, that theyre doings everywhere. Everywhere for me, for the tossing any issue which i, i focus on definitely do that and i states of america is complicit in this war. I mean it, since it never shies away from say, then we are 100 percent behind as well. They supply them and what ends with the, with money, with the munition, you know, they ensure that as well as you know, from the addition to continue committing and stop in genocide against the palestinians. And they provide them with political cover. As we saw when the United States we had basically vetoed and ive called for a cease fire. So the, on the one hand, as you, as you mentioned, there is a very strong and fabric and very sympathetic, good. As on, on behalf of it as well. And there is always almost dismissive of fostering as towards the palestinians. We saw this that when the president himself and his spokespeople all throughout, whether in the white house or in the state department basically dismissed the numbers and 1000 is killed. You know, they said this is exaggerated so that is a total dismissive the attitude towards the life of palestinian. So you know, you, you, you have to approach it with an open mind because you want to see what works in the back of their mind. But whats going to happen, thats how long was a nice day to keep that its support. Its a, you know, unequivocal support of this is randy genocide, the policy. So, and that is the motive behind the my questions and thats how i read what they say back to me. Do you think other john lives in the room . Believe it when far from my, your, your view of, uh these, uh, these actions, the representatives of the, by the new ministration say, no, no its we the one piece is we the one the palestinian 2 state solution. We want to with that using leverage for negotiations to save the babies of gaza. Do you think uh, i mean, katie, your know, tap is way to buy that, but other people in that room that really think that thats the case as well. My colleagues in the state department are well informed that they travel around the world, the company, the sector of state on all is at trips. Many of them do every, each and every one a trip to exactly. So they know, i mean, you know, they are aware they know whats going on. They ask the proper questions, and sometimes they have the day work for different organizations with different priorities and different policies. And you know, so they are, and they are aware for sure, you know, when there is something that is solid rages and being said by, lets say this both person, whether on that and not, not buying or not that and knowing whether and event a particular event is true or not when it comes to the palestinians, like pulling good the incubator, tubes from babies and so on. As we have seen in many a hospital and guys of casting down on death. And then youll see that the, my colleagues actually had to stand up after this, both person and they point out to a different sources. Thats because of that. But youre right, i mean, the United States of america support this one has supported it from the very beginning. I just pointed this way and also often has always made that you know, excuses for it and doing what its doing. I mean, as, go back to that killing of that and the past in an american journalist 3 and a box and well they have done to basically cover for his with. So this is a consistent policy, but they dont get it get away with that. The a great deal of the time we, you know, they own their fee to the fire, myself included. And we tried to show that, you know, the discrepancy of the gap and between what they say and where they actually do. You see there was some 1234 months ago that we were hearing about people not happy with the state department of lincoln state department, and they were resignations within the department of presume youre reflecting what youre saying that what is the state of the state department right now, all the people who oppose bidens policy gone now as well. I tell you what, i think the state department in general uh, career diplomats, a career that people thats work for the state department, especially those who focus on and they have that one piece issue in the middle east on thought. They are fully aware and they know there is a great deal of the, you know, bitterness and you know, among an employees high level employees in the state department, they want an immediate cease fire. Many of them do. Weve seen hundreds of them expressed and let those submitted to and thats the state them south. We saw that the 2nd state. Yeah. But after that blank and responded to those employees that we see this in the white house. We see this in the Democratic National committee, for instance. We see this in the usa id and we see it everywhere. We see it in 22 different federal agencies basically locked out of the job to protest added the ongoing war and to call for a seized by so that feeling absent and still there it is still and its getting stronger. And there you have restrictions feeling the need to have and we saw and yeah, on the tuesday, the 26th fine. Since during the primary, on the 27th of the of february, we saw that that and the primary in michigan and the non committed a vote grant or Something Like 25000 level. Its a lot more that was expected about 50 percent of the boat. So the, by the invitation knows that if it continues down this path, it is actually in trouble in terms of for, you elect to the president. So they know all of this and the feeling is still there. And i in fact isnt getting stronger. Yeah, im not sure about usa. I be in the tweet from samantha power, but heres the, hey, as you say, police are going to the ball or not, samantha far enough was standing. You know, with the michigan primaries. I mean, do the, if, i mean, is it, itd be lost already. I mean, youre saying theyre maybe theyre slowly beginning to understand, but do they dont realize that the actually, the nail in the coffin of buttons re election johns is, isnt, isnt guys in jersey that absolutely, i think gather is going to be a major issue in this election, i know americans a vote their pocket book. They bought the, their economic situation. This time around a and the american public, especially young democrats, that goes under 30 with every poll after poll. It shows that a guy that matters a great deal for him. Policy matters a great deal. They see and in fact, the older ones. Yeah. They see that that us policy, whether and ive got to stand the way and yeah, they pull that the and that he will need to kind of withdrawal as they say we, they see that that is a folly and they have grain war and definitely and gaza gaza and their sort of an agenda is a great deal of emotion and we see it everywhere. I mean, its every event, every event that by then goes to a really election event that he goes to, he encounters put testers that call him genocide. Joe, that qualified immediately expired. So this is an issue that will continue to be there for months to come, even if there is a issue as far as that, the problem suggested no. On monday, the 26th, when he said that we might have a satisfying place by the following monday. So yeah, you know, with all the yeah, still yeah. One proceeds and again, as weve seen a whole that was actually published on wednesday that the 28th and that way that showed 70 percent 70 percent of american. All american republicans included one and itd be good see spike. So yes, it matters. They got what is going to play and that the going to be big in the 22040. 00 election. Well as you say, the present bible with an ice cream uh on a late night talk show. No one really understood what he meant. These really governments that and he didnt just have before we go to the break. Good. Tell me about the square in the state Department Briefing room as you knew about our in bushel, who set himself a light outside these ran the embassy down the street in washington. Dc with his dying words being free, palestine, i know it was sense that dont cnn, bbc of the native nation. Medias saying he just burned himself outside the embassy, but without mentioning why, as well. And in fact, uh they did the absent and uh, both the New York Times of octopus, and in fact, cnn, other news agents who they like and especially yeah. So they, they, uh, especially after the 48 hours had elapsed on tuesday, the 27. 00, a lot of the stuff was said they showed, theyve pointed to the costs, low volume related himself. And so, and theyre certainly part of the great deal of sadness. I mean, you know, people are horrified by such action that is really an extreme and get more of a protest as, as in the bush themselves said, vibe before he and, you know, this is towards himself as a sort of speak. So. Yes, and in fact, and it with the asked about and they as the state department on tuesday, i believe after a couple days had the labs and yeah, yeah, the spokesman said, but you know, if you said that you feel as far as family and so on and all these things, but without a doubt, this is a sad thing of it much shift. And i remember i was around when the to the asian, how much was easy, the same thing on spark date revolution. Basically i need to, i remember im old enough to remember and what has happened . Well, what was happening during the war. And so, and with the, you know, Buddhist Monks on someone, this is really an extreme mode. I stream an expression of protest and it leaves. And im, but the feeling of sadness and everybodys a mouth side are kind of, ill stop you. The more from the Washington Bureau chief, for our codes newspaper after this break, the theres no end in sight over how youre going to continue to destroy the earth. Is the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but im certainly not ready to fight russia. This is also of so this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. So the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to which let me let me on. You have very quick propaganda. You know, a price here in new york. I think we dont know the aftermath any time that youre not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. Some more questions, ask a better. The answer is will be the the welcome back to going, ill be right and im still here with the site. Eric at the Washington Bureau chief of how good news by side we were talking about what it was like, what it is like to be in that state, developing press Briefing Room and the bite and administration the dying days of it. Is there knowledge in that room about Matthew Miller, who us questions from every, every day used to work with bulb and then this response to the us act that said anyone try to boy, god, israel could be said its up to 20 years. We know bowman end is ended up a you know, in a career and done for corruption, of course. And that was millers boss. Matthew really used to work for him and now hes the one answering questions about the lead genocide. Anyone trying to stay clear about in effect Matthew Miller, the bible blinking breast above and spokes wessons involvement in previously covering up corruption and his bias gaily on the palestine issue as well. The Spokes Person in general is treated as such as the Spokes Person. He comes and we see him as the person whos gone conveying to us when the government stands, we pose to have that question that we think of that matter. He either knows a lot of these issues and tells us exactly what the american position is or he comes back to us at what these positions. If hes unaware of it, we dont sit in judgement of what people do. We see what they are doing now. What theyre doing at the moment, what could they can say at the moment whether he gives us access that we need to have, whether hes at the or cooperative and, and be up because because also as the Spokes Person. And it definitely speaks on behalf of the government and but also hes like the, the link between the journalist and, and that and the scape, the secretary of state. So thats really what focus we are focused on. We dont look at his background, that is a personal thing and, and all my days and my as decades of calling to the state department and really ever i saw a personal issue comes up in this and these beeping, my colleagues and myself, i try my best to, to maintain a professional level. I, we keep in mind, i mean in a, in my case when we say that i dont pay anything for granted. I know that calling on any drawing list is a courtesy. It does not arrive that we havent read the Spokes Person and many other countries dont have that situation that i have very many advocates. Yes. And so it is a, you know, we sit there and you know, i must, uh, also admit that i have been called upon every time. There was not a single day in which i, when i called the upon to pause my question. So thats, thats what i uh, focus on i and i dont know how i would feel if im not cold upon. Id probably be a little upset for a day. Yeah. But it should be getting a bit more laser way. I mean this week we had uh, had a few miller say they dont order or other countries about and it took um Associated Press which, which is not really covered itself in glory, arguably, and recent complex. Then of course, one of the saying will and this you invade them and then as often, but of course there are tens of millions of them being killed, wounded or displaced in these recent us invasions over the past decades of yep. Yeah. Well we, we all appreciate a, our colleague and matthew lee whos a very good drawing list and ask for a lot of good questions and so on and those issues. And by the way, im going to look, we know that the government is going to as the government then i think has always defended itself against that. The aggression, i mean, i remember doing the iraq war and the smoke depot of the voucher are and many of us, you know, and it would be what come on mccormick and they would, they would come and defend this whole rotate crime. It was an awful crime. Or you any that the libya bombing and all these things. So in the us of the, an aggressive nation, it has the huge interest. Its a huge, long practice is a journey all over the world and, and then relief for sure. It as a fleets and, and carry a task force a rolling load around it is always threatening and black mailing and other bad countries and so on. So that is the spokesman is going to be on their behalf. I mean, the middle one, let me say on ukraine, this phrase that mila uses and is echoed presumably and all the tools you point unprovoked invasion of you. Great. Where does any know john listed in that room . Believe this phrase unprovoked . Which echo is out of european capitals as much as it does. Right, congressional bull additions. I mean, its katie, it would designed to misinform yes, that is, you know, i tell you what that say. I mean, the issue on ukraine has been raised many, many times since 2014 says before and then says before then, i mean i, im old up and i have been going there day after day that and i pulled a lot of questions on a grant in the past when i had the opportunity went, oh, i mean, we know, and that the russia, for instance, try to avoid a going at toward they did they. And the many times we asked about the point that question out what right before the war began in 2022. This is the things that were basically dismissed and thrown in the trash can buy at the american administration. And so, and we know that there were many efforts we are aware of this, the i a, a opperation and your grant and no way before this more of the kind of 2022. So no, i mean they dont get away with it in terms of what they, they say, i mean there was always, theres always a people that are willing to challenge them, journals that are willing to thousands of on these points. And now i understand the american Corporate Media is that basically is a, you know, some subscribes to the adage that differences stop at the water edge, you know, the, the old american accidents on. But you know, some things are. So start and that the they do can prove that they do get no pointed out to the spokesman over yes. Except that say, well, they dont really talk about the headed babies, mass rape and all the propaganda that came out initially off to the october the 7th. A resistance attack is that because they know that all of you will go hang on the evidence isnt there, even though they did so in november. I mean that they would just like, i mean it, all right, the timeline. And in fact, when i said listen, this has been a different story time and time again. They say no, no, its not a different story. When we say about the hospital that talked to the hospital and, and guy that with our ship, our actually, or any of the other hospitals. And they say, well, you know, and how mass using the human shields and so on. And they dont really, i mean the, and these are just that the best word that the days. Rain is have point the end, the past. They dont know what the human shield is. It really isnt an invention of those rates they dont want, they used have strep the past, and it gets in front of the jeep to prevent the other kids from focused on. So this is an old drain detecting. So, but its really, its a color to basically say its ok to kill civilians develop the hospital to go in and all these things. Then we have seen and one and the case of the hospital twice and, and one hospital after the other that its all lines. I mean even though the decapitation, its a lie, the mass rate is a lot. I mean, you know, and they stick to it for a lot of them, you know, and they hope that by not talking about it, it will just go away. And by that time the lies are already out there. But then give me a sense of what do you think it is, the Israeli Government running the state department or the state department running the Israeli Government . Because clearly, as they look uncomfortable, sometimes when you ask them about them uh, obvious and clear violations of any principle of the 1945. Is it these really government running into the blinking or no, i dont think so. I think its the other way around the United States in this partnership between then id say its an issue where america is a bigger partner. America will take whatever it wants to, what it out of a job, a and job because its interest. It says the headman is, you know, israel is a american baby, they will protect and deliver. Yeah. You know, theres a great deal of problems will influence in america. Theres a very powerful as really lobby many in fact, the 2025 deal with that again is around a dream about um, a package is uh no, no, no but, but that is a absent that is only allowed because the United States of america wants it a lot, and if, if i didnt want it that i should see despite you can do it immediately. I mean, we all remember what and 1982 when reagan, you know, picked up the phone and called as really gone club. And i beg, and he said when i asked him, youre gonna stop this now. And he stopped it now in 20 minutes. And so, and we know that by them himself, back in 2021. For instance, a called the and the nothing yahoo, you know on i think that was made 10 on may 12 and a 2020 the one in the last war. And he said that, that you run our runway enough is enough and he stopped him. So we know, and this partnership is red really lives on an american umbilical cords, whether its uh by, by, within, by money, by look to support by every which way. Okay. Just find that. Yeah. Now that now then id say, may not be willing to use this leverage, but it has a great deal to remember. It will just finally then im speaking to you from the you a doesnt, dont care about what the saudis, what the you a think as view a being a co sponsor of this is 5, the initial you at and Security Council resolution demanding as hes why before the us and i think then the u. K. The veto did then. Okay, well inside the arabian, the you ey. Thank and then i say it does not have a lot. Its a nice day to consider whatever, you know, the, those countries that its quote, its like basically our clients, the state will be provided with protection and so on. So that they feel that they can impose their will and they have, we have seen them in the past. And when they are convinced that this, that the policy is it failed policy. Because 1st of all, it did, this whole has not a given is where the ability to achieve its goals, which is you know, the cafeteria, sion, of how mass a hunting it leadership and get free the hostages by force and changing their gene with all pill. So when the u. S, is convinced that this actually is a failed policy and a costly policy, they, which is isolated as a result of this as their license. But also the United States of america is totally isolated, i think, only, and its the left side of our god. Thank you. Thank you. Thats it for the show. Continued condolences to those very by u. K. You as you on bombing in dallas, 911 in yemen, syria and iraq will be back on monday with full. Im a Trump Communications director. Now do these kind of move to you and youll then keep in touch by all that social media. If its not sensitive in your country and had to have channel going underground, you feel normal, theyll come to what you and all the episodes of going underground. 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