Hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered on peter lavelle. Ukraine conflict has now moved into the realm of magical thinking. Zalinski declares it will be a new offensive. Nato believes long range weapons will do the trick, and money is the answer to everything. The fact is, for ukraine, at least, the end is very near the cross talking ukraine. Im joined by my guess. Miss the win stayed in columbus. She is a political activist, as well as host of the miss the winston show on t and t radio in nashville. We have steve gill, he is an attorney and political commentator. And in belgrade we crossed to alexander cottage. He is a serbian member of parliament. Welcome to you all prospect rules and effect. That means you can jump in any time you want. I always appreciate alexander, let me go to you and bells rates. You know, i looked at the latest methods coming from Jake Sullivan and victoria lou newland. And if im not mistaken, theyre getting into panic mode here. Im calling this program magical thinking, but thats what everyone here is displaying for all of us to see magical thinking that somehow ukraine is just around the corner. Your thoughts, alexander a well was used to their magical thinking because they keep saying that costs are always a stage that without actual proof that its a state, you know, they, they recognize the unilateral in 2008. And here we are. 16 years later, i still have nato troops there theres, they still have International Supervisors there. They are holding them by their hand and seeing everything that they do. So, you know, weve seen that here. Theyre also trying to convince everyone in boston and has to go in is the state. And of course they still have a high representative 28 years after the after the dayton Peace Agreement. So yes, the west has been added for a while. You know, they keep thinking that its still the 1980 yard late 19 eighties, early 19 ninetys, unipolar world. They are the only game in town. Everyone else is on their knees. Everyone actually is thinking that liberal democracy is the best system. And that were going to have a new pax romana, were going to have peace cooperation, love no borders. Everythings going to be great. But you know, that was 30 years ago and they just cant get over it. Big the world has changed. People have seen the west or what it really is, and its not what it used to be. You know, you know that very well. I know that very well. I grew up in america. Thats not the same american. It was 30 years ago. So, but theyre trying to pebble the west like its the west of from 30 years ago. Well, i mean, alexander, the west that they believe in works for them. It doesnt work for the rest of us. Thats the problem. And thats including the people in the west. Ok. You dont miss that. Youre nodding your head here. You know, we had this also locked in Prime Minister a few call. He was a contact a contact in paris on monday and he came out. Let me quote it here. Talk was purely martial in an atmosphere. I was surprised that not a single word was said about a any piece plan here. I mean, this is, you know, so it, on top of that we have, uh, we have a chrome, um saying, you know, maybe individual, a nato countries bi lateral. It was sent start sending troops. The ukraine. Are they there on the escalate . Escalation lot or misty . Yeah. No question about it. I think that the level of delusion here is fascinating to watch, play out because, you know, as weve just discussed, i think that the west is um, still in quite a state of denial. The world has in fact change, and i think that there is a desperate attempt to try to hold on to maintain that power and control. I think frankly the west has already lost it. I think that were seeing other countries rush or china around come together. I think that that has been a long time in the making and frankly, the west has pushed that into fruition. Weve kind of created our, our own monster. And its a frankly long overdue. But yeah, i think that there, theres this, um, uh, you know, a massive state of denial that we think that we can just muscle our way through this conflict. And that we can just continue to send weapons and money. And that somehow student is going to, uh, you know, take any and dial out of this and thats just not the case. And i think that theres no reason for russia to do that. They are in fact, winning this whole war. I think theres a lot of denial about that taking place. I think we have zalinski trying to muddy the numbers on how many ukrainian lives have been lost. But i think that theres no question about of ukraine situation is coming to an end. Frankly. Its just really depressing to me to watch the untold numbers of ukrainian lives that have just been sacrificed on the altar of western imperialism. Its very sad, its steven. Its so convenient for these people to sacrifice other people. Oh i oh, by the way, if this is good for business, i never in my life. I thought they would say the, the quiet part out loud. Okay. This is good for arms manufacturers. I mean, theyre actually saying this right now. I mean before it was tab. Oh, you never went. Oh, its about democracy. Its not democracy, of course. Okay. Now theyre saying the quiet part out loud. Okay. The shareholders and these companies are becoming rich, steve, as well. And the went from my leaving to you in almost broke to worth a 1000000. 00. Thanks to going on the board for some of these military industrialists and now shes continued to carry the water. I love last week when the, when the ball is death was announced, and you have these retired generals immediately rushing on all the year waves declaring that murder. Yeah. Because thats what they want. They need more war because their new boss, maybe if they search buying and they were uniform, their new bosses need more or to sell more stuff. So theyre quick to announce anything without the facts and now even to the ukraine, the intelligence agencies are telling us no i that causes. But you want to see any of those generals going back on fox remiss in dc. Say, i was wrong as usual. I and its just again, more of the say, and they are saying the funny part out, well, you got him sky, im getting paid for it on a few months ago. Say, well, these arent really donations, right. These are the models. Are we gonna get paid back those last 3 days after world war 2 . So again, the Big Industrial complex is getting all this money or are they going to share that with the american tax, but it was just put it in their own pocket. It is frankly disgusting and i am waiting with great anticipation the net offensive counter offensive that goes on wednesday is planning because the other ones that work so well. Oh, absolutely. Alexander missed the already brought up. The point is 31000 casualties on the ukrainian side. I have to doubt the Mental Health of the ukrainian president. I mean, even his own inner circle of admitted they and casualties are extraordinary. What do you, what are your thoughts there . I mean, i dont know if you saw the interview, but whats me for it to be honest, folks, it didnt seem like the man was all there, alexander or what you are. This is the thing. Uh, if they really uh tell me the truth. Then everything is over. Uh, thats the thing. You know, the robot what, uh, the, the robot was supposed to be turn into rubble. Uh, 2 years ago, uh, rochelle was supposed to have run out of artillery shells about 2 years ago. That didnt happen. So what are we going to do . Either were going to tell the truth, but thats totally unacceptable. Or were going to keep plus spreading these fantasies. Because what else is there . You know, if they start telling the truth, ha, too many questions, that kind of stuff being at start being asked. And people are going to have to start answering for everything that theyve been doing, given selling this story that ukraine can actually defeat russia. And you know, how can you me, youve been repeating this obvious lie to anyone has any sort of knowledge for 2 years. How can you all of a sudden back track now you cant, you know, theyre just going to go to the end. Its like chip those last days. You know, the ship, wheres thought until the very last moment that you know some miracles going to happen . Some winter welfare is going to save the day. I think the last gazing theres on bunker, thinking the same thing and all the people supporting him. That includes the neo cons in washington. They have the same mentality. Now its the hitler bunker mentality and you cant, they cant get away from it because if they do, they have to admit the feet. But what happens when youve met the fate found the, this in dispensable nation. All of a sudden is shown to be mortal. That suffered the fee and the hands of these lowly russians. And thats it. Thats the end of everything. Everything crumbles. The stakes are too high. Yeah. Well the and Alexander Alexander also being complicit in a jet aside in, in gaza. I mean, this is a double when its, you know, missed a year and youre in columbus. I mean, and theyre, theyre banding about 60000000000. 00 a bit. Columbus could use a little bit of that money. Maybe nashville could use a little bit of that money in the victoria knew and said, you know, they cut when Congress Comes back there in their districts right now, you know, and theyre going to sell the war. Im sure a lot of people say, well, what about bridges, what about schools . What about health care . So lets face it half the countries poor. They some people need some help. Misty. Yeah, no question about it. And yes, i do live in ohio and we often joke in the state of ohio that our state symbol should be changed to the orange traffic coming because our roads are a mess. So yes, peter, we could use quite a bit of that money, frankly, for our infrastructure here in the state of ohio. So, and we know, listen, we know this is not new to anybody who isnt paying any bit of attention to Foreign Policy in this country for any amount of time. Scores or racket smoothly. Butler told us that years ago joined us on showed us in 2014, that the goal is not a successful war. The goal is unless when were seeing, i mean we have a report out that Lockheed Martin is going to increase the production of high mars rocket rocket launchers by 60 percent. As you mentioned, we have the u. S. Official officials are now openly saying um in reports to the Washington Post that they see ukraine is an active and bountiful military research opportunity. They kind of reminded me of Hillary Clinton with a rack that we need to see a rock as a business opportunity. They are just saying it out loud. And what so frustrating about that is that they can get away with that and that the American Public doesnt immediately stop everything that theyre doing and say, wait a minute, thats not right. And so uh, but i think they were starting to see the bill be left it on that for sure. Yeah. Steve, i, they missed, hes making reference that pop piece that came up in the new york times. I mean that thing was a biblical in length. Okay. What they, they talked to a over a 100 operatives and all that. I mean, it was a disgusting puff piece, but itd be when you read the article, youre going to come to the conclusion that the United States and russia were at war. Are we at war but you know what with the see how i is doing helping the ukrainians is the i is involved in killing russian civilians. Steve as well. I think thats what they want because when youve got the chrome talking about food, its on the ground of salt and its already saying, no, were not going that way. Theyre talking about the sending the battlefield in the warranty yet, you cant even stop russia. And after the, youre going to go into the crime the next. I mean, it is just absolute easy. But you really getting some glimmer of fruit in that piece. And then your kind of relating how this all started back. But the to that the c i a and us did back in 2004 and the theyre not talking about the assault on get us a diesel engine, dawn bass in that region for the last 40 years. You dont see any us reporters west for the media reporters on the, on the russian side of the battlefield. Oh, bill clinton, the guys dont do interviews with from us leaders, but its tucker, carlson talks to boot rider. I think it is. It is deplorable when they are doing well with the the media equates itself in no glory whatsoever. And thats the point of this program is the shame of the media and the people that they support. Im going to jump in here right now. Were going to go to a short break, and after that short break, well continue our discussion on ukraine space with archie. The 1960s were attorney for the advertise struggle for labor ration. However, in the south of the continental european races decided for a long v, agony of colonialism. In 1965, the white minority unilaterally declared the state of rhodesia states at dohertys pursuit. The policy of racial segregation, the indigenous population was deprived of rio political rights. And subject to merciless economic exploitation ever again bade variance with the support of the soviet union and china oppose the splinter of the colonial system. A coalition of pro western countries, just the side of ro days of the gorillas carried out bold raids from the territory of zambia in mozambique and inflicted painful blows on the races. 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It used to be the other way around. Okay. And now we have the media tearing on endless war here, but this is a problem here. We had a process and this then bull weeks after the complex started. Im sure you all know about it. If you watch, i do this, i didnt. So you know about it, you watch, gun greenwald, you know about it a jimmy door, you know, about an account with other really smart, smart people that are not credited with the establishment. But there was a process, and it was the west that torpedo with it. And its still carpios negotiations. Alexander. Yes. Well, i can now talk barrels in 1992 in february and march. Uh, actually uh, the 3 people that make up the boss. Be good to go. Me now. Uh, service is the service, the mazda ones in the cro. Its under that European Community at the time. It wasnt called deal. Then a Peace Agreement was brokers uh, let this call list have an agreement on to continue to plan as it was call and all 3 sides agreed to out to an independent boss, me out of equal power sharing, etc. You know, what happened . Well, the American Ambassador to yugoslavia which still existed at the time war and zimmerman, he met with the moslem leader, ill use a declaration, he told them all, you dont have to sign that, you know, will help you. So what happened . He backed out of the piece. The disagreement and war broke up. A similar thing happened regarding possible in late 1998 or early 1999. There were uh they were peace negotiations and a french castle in rumble yet. And then Madeline Albright decided to raise the bar to offer some unacceptable conditions on the serbian side which no country could accept. And but that was used as an excuse to start bombing yugoslavia in 1999 without, without the Security Council was totally illegal. But they actually caused warrant, they wanted more, they didnt want to and was the same thing and ukraine. So when we watch you prayed from serbia, its like watching uh, rear on, on the very that. Uh you know, tv series. Yeah. Well, you know, missed the that they, this is what it, what it always gets down to. I mean, when theres a possibility for peace, its always squashed. Okay. We know before, december, uh, in 2021. The russians, as it would tensions were building up, they said, you know, here we have 2 proposals, one the dealt with our ukrainian neutrality and nato. Okay. And not expansion of nato and nato should need to go back to in the 1997 parameters, completely ignored. I mean, those were doable, very doable things, very reasonable things. Then in this sample it was doable. It was reasonable that was rejected as well. Or as johnson denies it, but everyone and a noticed the truth it did, he was involved in the go ahead, misty. Yeah, no question about that. Listen, peter, there is no profit and peace. And thats really the issue here is that the west is essentially the economies of the west or run on death and war and chaos and destruction. And so they, they need to continue these words, they need, it is necessary, essentially for their survival for the survival of the people that own the politicians. And so, i mean, you mentioned that you know, the, in my opinion and i agree with you 100 percent. Im so glad you speak on this and that you hold them accountable. But i think that the media is a far bigger threat than most people are giving them credit for. I think that easily theyre one of the greatest threats that he about humanity faces right now because theyre the ones that sell these lies. Theyre the ones that sell these words. I mean to bring up a sondra again joined us on so that every well a more of the last 50 years has been a result of media lies. And if work can be started by lies and peace can be started by truth. And that is why the media works overtime to sell this stuff and why they so infrequently. And in fact, never talk about peace. And when they do, its usually to smear out it into that make it seem as if thats a ridiculous and unreasonable request that there be peace in the world. And so it is, it is an insane world that we live in where the talking a piece gets you looked at, is some kind of a, you know, crazy cou, bring trader, it is interesting times. Yeah, yeah, i a steve, its always newness. 1938, isnt it . With these people here at, and you and it unit happen, but that is a unique event. It doesnt repeat over