Appreciate your insights into the situation. Journalists that kind of walk out as well. Thanks. I sites always, thanks to you for your company here and ill see international thats all for me for today would be to start. Well be here with more news. The interest 30 minutes, [000 00 00;00] the defense minister go on says israel wash. Its hands of guys that once it is completed, as brown, military operation and vanquished amounts divided ministration is given israel, the green light to conduct its military operation as it pleases. The goal, of course, is to completely erase pounds by edits, people from the map, the hello, im an electron. You are tuned into modus operandi. A reason attacked into israel, proffer by how most fighters re ignited an age is long battle, dividing the world into 2 camps, those supporting israel and those support in palestine. But is a conflict really that in binary or is the new odds behind it all . Really . What should be discussed today will break down the humanitarian disaster. That is garza that could only white it as outside intervention steps in and explore aspects that the Mainstream Media will discuss. All right, lets get into the m o the, depending on the lenses where you will either see a david and goliath story and gaza, or a surprise terrorist attack into its peaceful neighbour of israel. It seems the world is divided on this much in the same way. Busy it was over ukraine. Theres debate over intelligence failures outside 3rd Party Funding or planning, who backed home and be over simplification of good versus evil. There is even as much a media and messaging war as there is physical violence. When discussing the conflict between israel and loss, and what important distinction that must be made immediately, is that how mazda is not a country, rather a political faction along the palestinian population, primarily in the gaza strip. That was a counterweight or Opposition Party to the westbank spots our ruling party in the palestinian parliamentary system. So when israel says they are fighting home us, its because they have labeled hamas a terror organization. So what effect then is real declaration of war against loss is a declaration of war on terror. You may remember the same declaration made by George W Bush after 911. In fact, over and over weve heard is rarely officials declared this their 911 borrowing the same bush era. Nebulous rhetoric didnt start. So for more on this, we will turn to sam jose ne, an independent journalist who has been covering this topic for many years. You can see more of sams work by going to who seine dot sub stack dot com. Sam, thank you so much for joining me. First. Lets address the events that unfolded on october 7th, which sparked this volley of violence thereafter. How did, how los manage this incursion into israel proper, including your parent gliding into this Music Festival, where many party goers were killed, i mean, isnt as rarely, airspace and, and their territory just about as heavily surveilled and monitored. I mean, comparable to the airspace here in washington dc. I mean was this a massive intelligence failure . But a couple of questions there. Um 1st off on the handwriting. I havent heard anybody note. Um ive heard stories that the 1st intifada back in 1987 was triggered uh by a hang glider, an independent person not affiliated with any group of flu into a. Um uh some kind of just rarely military facility or something. Um, and i dont know exactly what happened there, but there is a deep history in terms of how students using pain quite or so. I dont know how many people are aware of that, even potentially the people who organized this operation. It was obviously a very well planned. But it seems to have been a very well planned operation. I mean to compare it to the aerospace around washington dc is a little bit wrong because, i mean, does this very unique in that it is basically been under a siege by israel. Um, uh for uh the uh at least a decade and a half. Now, i mean there is no airport in guys. Why is there no airport . Because they built in the airport in the late ninetys and then israel blew it up in 2001. So for, you know, the way that people talk about guys doesnt, a lot of it doesnt understand the devastation. And the strange elation and the deprivation is that people in gaza has had suffered. But this was obviously, well planned operation from my point of view is brilliant in terms of what they seem to have done in terms of taking on these really militaries and much fault. It is really military and hardly tragic in their parents targeting as well of the civilians. Although i think that a great deal of what was done to civilians has been exact, where youre at least as of what we know now or in terms of the, these claims of a, you know, butchering babies and potentially rates and so on. Theres a long history of finding free texts for war and devastation based on, um, uh, you know, fabrications around the baby incubators with the 1st you rock war and so on. So theres could be a huge this information aspect of it. Another big question, which i think does mirror investigation is to what extent this was such a major intelligence feller it is. I mean, israel apparently got warnings from the junctions. Um that, that Something Big was coming in to mosse and their statement and was paying attention to the students from us. I put out a thing about their web page being ignored. I was the 1st person to post their statement on twitter, which ive now since then did from for a apparently irrelevant, unrelated reasons. And apparently just simply as a reporter saying, look, this is what, how about my says their justification is in their statement. They say that it was to a that they should warrant as well, that in their statement, they say, despite repeated warnings, these rallies wouldnt, you know, he meant so we carried out this operation. And so either use incredible intelligence failure of by israel. Or there was some kind of stand down 16 of what many people claim a f d r did regarding pearl harbor that he effectively live. Pearl harbor happened in order to draw the us into a world war 2. And it may be the case that nothing yahoo, who has been dial biological and so a studio wire in murder. Oh, you know, wants to find a pretext to, uh, you know, go to, you know, the state does potentially even do a mass expulsion of palestinians as he is a advocated in the past in 1989 at yahoo. God says it is real should take advantage of seeing that in yahoo, the of the, of the admin square a mastercard to, uh, to carry out an expulsion. So, um, you know, that, that, thats my read of the, you know, immediate, immediate situation. A right to your point about as the are the same has been sad about George W Bush and 911. I mean, the, the warnings, the red flags were there, but seemingly ignored. Now lets get into the why, why did how last decide to strike and, and why now . And do you think this will lead to be 3rd input fata . Um, its hard to get into peoples heads. I mean certainly is real estate good goals of you know, protecting israel isnt protecting jews as a core false. Theyre not doing that. If they did want to protect zeros and didnt want to protect you, is that that they would have to read to a reasonable pc for years ago and wouldnt have fostered him us. Theres a big history there of israel building up. Come us starting in the 1980s, kind of like to us that built up the major dean in afghanistan. What would become the television . And they did that to split the palestinian ranks to undermine the secular polo at the time. And so, and even recent statements of nothing else has been said stuff like weve got to fund him us a recent, i mean, within the last couple of years. But its in terms of, from us as motives. Again, i dont, you know, its difficult to get into peoples heads, particularly political actors who might have mackie valley and motives in mind. I think a lot of people, i hope that this sparks a, not 3 to 5. And it might eh, you know, how students have repeatedly done these uprisings in order to push forward their quest for justice and independence. And that is certainly laudable at the end of it of itself, um of, but you know, im us, you know, may well have other motives in terms of their own political dynamics. They seem to have succeeded if one regards as an intelligence failure by his role in making israel think that they were just interested in some, you know, mind, you know, getting whatever bread crumbs of Economic Development these rallies like to grant them in their great benevolence. And didnt seem to, of, you know, psyched out these really isnt in effect, you know, up totally up the, into you, in terms of their military struggle. And many people view a mouse as a legitimate resistance group. And i think that theres some credence to that, but i think just on an ethical level, the targeting of civilians and Music Festival at least the moral level if got a legal level of is not incredibly problematic, say the least. Um, so, so its, its not clear what, what kind of mazda is motives are, to me. And, you know, i, i dont doubt that many people, it from us are genuinely driven by a, its incredible frustration and anger at the of what is rel, is doing to them with bombings and siege and deprivation over all these years. And what the us is, the selected and backed and financed from is role. And the fact is the a global, you know, the International Community has done nothing to stop it. And indeed that israel a has been on a rampage in terms of normalizing with the us is help with these eric dictatorships, um, uh, with the so called Abraham Court under uh, under trump, in this process continues under bite. And it was met some of the same people at the state department under both allegedly, of loggerhead administrations. They completely agree on this and they work hand in glove in order to strangle the palestinians and to try to normalize relations between israel. So i can imagine that time us a saw that they were coming or isolated and they were even talking about saudi arabia, normalizing relations. And of course are very busy us, client partner as well and their violence against women. So it kind of makes sense. So im asked me, well, that made this move in order to sort of grab the initiative so that they wont be completely israels mercy once is real completes this normalization process even had are the ones the charter president need was the net, you know, who for the 1st time ever recently, so the isolation was increasing and so i sent you that might have a push come us in order to grab the initiative from their point of view coming up next, the internal battles between the palestinian territories, gaza and the west bank from us on one side and the Palestinian Authority on the other, well discuss it when we return with sam husein is to type them all will be right back the the the the welcome back to the m o i manila chance prior to the tragic events in early october saudi arabia was in the process of normalizing relations with israel. Thats all off the table now. Sam, who is seine is back to continue the conversation. Sam, thanks for sticking around. So weve seen a lot of western media conflate hamas with Palestinian Civilians in gaza. Perhaps deliberately, how important is that distinction and also the distinction between hamas and the Palestinian Authority . Its tremendously important to make the distinctions between mass and Palestinian Civilians and the posting is already pulsing, is already the effectively presides over a surrender government in the west bank of the area. The sort of between israel and jordan are parts of it is they dont even have the whole thing. And they basically do what israel says that theyre, theyre just sort of a surrender, a surrender government vc government like a government installed by the nazis in france during world war 2. The mos came to power because they wanted an election in 2006. And i think they won the election just for reasons that are not well understood. This was in the aftermath of Yasser Arafats desk, a possible assassination by the is rarely use. And i think that the Palestinian People partially elected how much at that point to say we are one people and youre not going to divide us between people in the west bank. So the refugees in southern lebanon, on because of, and the greater the, you know, population of palestinians around the world. And so thats how, how much came to power in people, in the even be respective of this attack and so on. I mean, how much had a legitimacy crisis in terms of they, they were doing resistance and they were setting up their own structures that work, that were somewhat delivering because they have a network because its rough, helps them build up a network of health clinics. And so on, in the 1980s, in order to undermine the po. But theres been some frustration among palestinians. Intrusive. Yeah. What, what, what, what this from us really deliver. Just as there is from a, the p a sitting there in ramallah, which is far better off than the rest of the post in new territories. There are some palestinian movements which are independent of, for example, theres more one buckley to use the Palestine National initiative. I think hes a voice with some legitimacy, but hes not backed by us funding or by religious salvatore. So and i should say other palestinians who have attempted it for example, you have a figure like of uh, uh, the book um like a wide whos a non violent activist to help support the 1st thing to find in the 1980s. You know what is relative to him expelled to get the hell out of here. We dont want your non violence. So, you know, so when can, whenever israel says, you know, we, we have to deal with the some us yeah, well, you expelled all of these people who attempted to, you know, organize, non violently, to end the occupation. And so then you end up with the, you know, with the groups that are most prone to committing violent to yourself, backed. And so your current context is appalling. That the us media is in many others, are minimizing the devastation towards the you know, of the palestinian civilian population. In guys, just as theyve been ignoring the repeated is really a tax on the west bank. So last several months in that they are justifying it effectively by pointing to allege the most and those are, those are going after im us, theyre not going after them us. Israel does not want peace. Israel is not trying to protect it. Civilian population, if nothing you want it to protect the civilian population, he would have made a reasonable peace deal. He has had numerous opportunities. He has always been expansionist. He has always been militaristic, he is not wanted peace. He is not one of the safety of the is rarely citizens orange juice in general or so do you, do you think the election of how last was a knee jerk reaction to this perceived weakness of the p a. And then of course, the death of a arafat back in 2004 or 5002004 in the people that an error 5 had a lot of problems. But he effectively represented palestinians in the multi dimensions. Uh, both in guys are in the west bank and he is real proper. Are lots of palestinians, christians and muslims in what is now is real proper. And in refugees in the southern lebanon, and jordan, a and, and around the world. And so with him gone and was what was obvious, a corrupt leadership in the Palestinian Authority. And that was in effect, colluding with israel and effectively becoming there. You saw doug a, you know, working against the palestinian activist, you know, people who are trying to organize for palestinian liberation, the p a co after them. So they were just doing these rallies, bidding. So, you know, for forced to choose between that and mass which um, you know, was in effect saying were all one Palestinian People knew what to liberate everything. And yeah, were religious is outlets, but were actually delivering health and food and medicine and so on to the population that have network of mosques and so on and tells the policy. And people chose that in that, in that context, it is a lousy choice, but i think of quite an understandable one prior to october 7, the saudis, and as rileys were at the threshold of normalizing relations. I mean this after the saudis, just restore diplomatic ties with iran. The former allegedly left the Palestinian Authority, feeling abandoned or like the saudis and turned their backs on palestine. Is there any truth or reality to those sentiments . Its not clear. Uh, i mean obviously here reba and their current ruler and b s are not ethical operators of but they have probably to have some i mean that theyre, theyre engaging in their own devastation of yemen for example. Um yeah. And but, but in, in the us said that it would make of, you know, in the prior because it was killing of kashodi and so on. But obviously havent done that to us. In fact is backing has back to both atrocities, by his realm. And by, sorry, ravia, you do have a saudi arabia and, uh, i mean, you know, there was about 20 years ago with developing get direction. Sorry, a journey and um, you know, grouping that was emerging in the us and israel managed to undermine that then. So that could be formulating and you, interesting, we had china, a broker, a normalization i understand, between saudi arabia and, uh, you, ron at, i, i do have some concerns about this. And the i was meaning to raise this earlier. You have countries like iran, a, profess their support of the palestinians. And i dont doubt that he rides supplies as by law was material and quite possibly im also not an expert on that, but thats certainly possible. But they have not done all they can in my view of legitimately in terms of back in else in cost. For example. Right now you have the pa even saying that the charging that you have genocide going on here. You certainly have genocide with rhetoric of from the is really camp against palestinians. You know, no food, no medicine, no electricity, no water. Oh no, you know, blow you up in the death toll is rising by the day. And there doesnt seem to be any breaks on what is relas capable of here. And you even had in 2014 attack on guys or you had iranians in venezuelans, in bolivia and leaders to pakistani leaders say that israel was committing genocide even at that point. And this may well be worse than that a, theres a Genocide Convention. They can invoke this at the United Nations to my understanding