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A in a week where both the us and russian are conducted in Nuclear War Drills in britain does have safety drill, perhaps one for british politicians and theyre bunkers, but it is russian president vladimir persian 1071 major nations began war exercises in northern scotland, presumably training against russia in china. Lets go straight to the us capital in order to hide us marine cool. Connell and former pentagon official, hes not Senior Advisor. Vince National Security program at the u. S. Weapons Company Funded sense of a strategic and International Studies. Mckenzie. And thanks a lot and we show buck. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And lets go straight actually to your latest piece. Because as the world where it needs to be United States reels to the news that youve deposed the speaker of the house of the people in the, in congress. Youve written a piece which i suppose it breaks, nations, people do joke about, but not so much on the bbc and cnn. Its called most a, the ukraine is spend to be an ide states. A total shut down will be responsible. What do you mean most aid a to ukraine is spent in the us national. What entity blinking says likely, or people on the press department, podium or in the white house. They say this is for the people of you. Great. As well as the 2 are not exclusive, i wrote a piece to give a sense of the many different elements of what is referred to as a g o crane. Because a dual credit is really a misnomer. This is really aid as a result of the war and ukraine. Some of the aid goes ukraine. Some of it helps ukraine. Some of it helps the United States and other allies. For example, a chunk of the package of a g o crane pays for us forces to deployed to eastern europe. The license begin those deployments right after the war began. They were at about 20000 troops, hidalgo by chance. Theyre there to reassure the europeans and improve the trends against the russians, but paying for that as part of this aid to ukraine, but that money, most of the most of it stays in the United States. Another example is weapons. When we send weapons with United States and weapons to ukraine, theres money to replace those weapons. That money goes mostly to us, arms manufacturers. So the weapons themselves go to ukraine, helps with granted, and its a fight against russia. But the replacement uh goes to us manufacturers. So when you consider agriculture, you actually, i mean people can read it online, but you mentioned agriculture as well. Thats right. Uh, theres a piece of the humanitarian, a that helps countries who are suffering as a result of the disruption in the global of food trade, particularly we coming out of ukraine and russia and the part of agriculture overseas programs in United States that helps those countries with food, you see the, your endangers and the, like julian hassan, she said, its a laundromat, and actually all these was the money, its recycled and actually comes back to the United States. Thats why your article may because of the shock, because its usually an argument made by the anti war left in the United States and the mag of republicans, of even they, some of them get donations like a situation where the weapons companies, they want to keep this secret on things ive, ive seen a number of commentators and even a members of Congress Making this argument. You know, theres nothing secret about it is i know just because the money is sent to me. I say it doesnt mean it doesnt help ukraine, for example, with the provision of weapons which demanded cherry and assistance a, you know, the fact that it ends up in the United States, i think, should maybe make people little more comfortable with it. But in many is doesnt mean that helps you create any less. Heres the interesting thing. Is the korean jump . Yeah, the white house spokes person, john liz was shouting out to him because biting it said the shut down of Us Government was over ukraine. And she refused to confirm that. That was true. Of course, lots of debates on so called Mainstream Media there about it, but your, your piece is very much trying to persuade people or to continue support for the landscape on the basis that the shut down would be responsible is that your understanding that the bone of contention here is ukraine and the funding for ukraine. I mean, its hard to even quanta 5 the the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been given to ukraine or given to the United States. 3 great. Yeah. Um, your credit was one of the elements, the water element was about a Government Spending in general. The republican right wanted to reduce all spending defense, but also the spending and you know, the government as a whole, as a result of your the, you know, they were holding to the government class stage of ukraine is a part of it. Its important to know to go that when the Community Resolution went to the floor of the house and passed. Overwhelmingly, if a bill supporting the aging ukraine went to the floor of the house, it would also be supported over one. When the problem is that there is a small group of conservative republicans who are determined it to the Government Spending and cut a to grant. And because of the narrow margin in the house, they have a lot of latitude. Were talking just you know, less than 2 ends worth of people in the house. Um, the short answer is yes, the vote was very marginal in florida against the speaker. I think there were 6 republicans who voted against the speaker with the are the democrats now, if you put a of a bill on the floor about your premium and our aid, it would probably get 80 to a 100 votes against it. But that means that there would still be 330. 00 ish votes for it. So it would pass overwhelmingly, except it is cnn poll, which is being running uh since february last year it shows a majority of americans in the United States oppose funding for the war by 55 percent. 55 percent of both. A majority claim to us has done enough. Majority of us have obviously said that a to it endangers us security. Its reflected in polls in europe as well, where its even bigger, 76 percent of both military financing, 74 percent of both financial support. I mean, theres a huge mismatches in there between the say that cnn poll and the congressman, the youre talking about who is old, as you say, will always guarantee more funding for the landscape. But there is a split between congress and i think the current pulling up the support for the war has been quite strong up until recently. But i think that reflects maybe the broader view that congress has taken it. Its also not clear, you know how deep that opposition is when you see it in congress, but again, its about 25 percent of the house. Okay, well ill get to the Nuclear Drills in a moment, but tell me about the significance of natos joint warrior exercise. In this week of letting me a page and 71st, but they, they, theyre going on in the northern scotland and obviously in the shadow as was of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians having been killed in the past 12 months or so. So i think its important keep in mind that nato has drugs going on all the time that you know, its not that this one is particularly focused on the current conflict was probably planned initially years ago. But it is a, a symbol and an indication about natos continuing readiness. Continuing to focus on russia and, you know, may be somewhat on china. Also, nato is a military alliance. And this is a reminder that the tre alliance is conduct exercises in order to enhance deterrence. And to be ready, if conflict should come. But why are they uh, losing, i mean, all these billions at all is where the weapons are being sent. And clearly, you know, no, no progress seems to be being made in this counter offensive, obviously, has some feed st brushes gain more ground, actually. And oh, its just being sent to you. Great and to be destroyed by the russians. So what if they were always practicing war games, why they failing . And of course, i could say that in the context of the fact that the United States has been defeated in war after war. Of course, after vietnam, where i understand you still have i did desert storm also id say the United States has quite a successful in that. I think the conventional wisdom on the United States is that were very, very good and conventional conflicts. Lights doesnt storm. Were not very good at insurgencies, as we saw in the latter part of iraq and afghanistan, but this is conventionally new drain. Is this uh no. Ukraine is a different situation because its the ukrainians who are fighting. You know that they need an exercise and thats for nato troops and they keep nato ready. The ukraine, of course, is not a member of nato. We are supplying them with weapons and training. But you know, they have a long way to go and they have to be fair to them. Theyve greatly expanded their armed forces. Theyve taken a lot of casualties. But you know, the, they, you know, they need to have a continuous flow of weapons and training. If theyre going to continue resistance, and thats true of every thats going to make a lot of money. I mean, terry, do they even have an munition to practice with long as the nato exercise today . Because theres report, i mean, weve heard before, comments from people. We actually had trucks, many of them in from a spinny report on their show telling us about, um, not only the ineffectiveness of some weapons but also the loss of ammunition. We know here from the war Source Security for room, the admiral robe, our, uh, an agent Ministry Committee says the bottom of the barrel is now visible. Basically, nature doesnt have any munition. How did we get to that situation . A, is it true . And uh, are they just practicing with the sports . Uh no me. I mean issues on the nato exercise, or i wouldnt say that nato is out of the munition that the Little Country still have some stuff. Thats nice, so but this is the scene natos most senior military official. I have no real bo and im sure you know of him. But i use a same thing in the United States. But when, when they say were at the bottom of barrel, what, what they mean at least in United States, is that were at the bottom of what we can give to the ukrainians. To give you an example of, of chavel initials weve given above 40 percent of our javelin inventory to ukraine, the pentagon. So we looked at the given anymore because we would need to add 4 other possible conflicts, for example, in korea. So when you hear people say were out of javelin, were not out of javelins, were either java is that we can give to ukraine without accepting risk. That the pentagon believes is unacceptable. How would they help in korea javelin miss . I was given that i know from the trump, from him was why you rushed if young and i have or these to meet with. Kim jong, who in so quickly was when he heard the, as every president has do that, the north koreans can destroy los angeles. In 33 minutes, im showing javelin missiles are kinda useless. And so on the, on the north koreans have a very large military, very large of ground for us. And if there were a, an extended conflict on the peninsula job, which would be very helpful. But the creeds also have a lot of tags. Now the very old tank, when they just hit the United States, see it is essential if the and the us. Com protect themselves from the, you know, the United States has a Missile Defense system that is in fact designed to shoot down north korean missiles. You know, its never been tested against a real missile, but there are defense as their, their ability to strike the continental United States is still extremely limited. And if they did that, of course, United States has overwhelming fire power it could bring to bear, which i had gotten a lot of stop you. The more from the Senior Advisor of the interNational Security program, with you as arms, Company Funded sense of a strategic and International Studies after this break the the welcome back to going underground. Im still here. I was retired colonel mckenzie and Senior Advisor. Vince National Security program at the center for strategic and International Studies kinda we were just talking about actually north, north korea. You know, theres a lot of control as the over those, the Defense Systems that you have in the United States. Theyre infamous the secrets. And by and they can only shoot down at most 3. Isnt it . 3 words in the north koreans can shoot for, i dont know. Why is it though that uh the United States is holding a imagine c drill. Thats a nuclear drill. This week just now is off to russia, held the nationwide drill. That means in your country, every phone, every television set, every radio image feel um, uh uh, in this case uh that its a rehearsal as well. This sort of thing is not uncommon in the United States, they test the nuclear broadcast system. They have done that radically over many, many years. It sounds like the 1950s. Okay. And ill show you whens the last time for sure the, the broadcast system and i think they tested every year. Its tested, you know, quite frequently the United States takes these precautions seriously. The importance of being able to communicate and Disaster Recovery and also points out that these capabilities are not limited to nuclear wars and nuclear incidents, you know, they can be used in natural disasters. Also have a famous they didnt work. And now we of course, were given the facts, then the, the munition is running low bottom of the barrel, according to nato. What happens if um, what happens if the, the stop to ukraine . Does that mean . There really will be a negotiating table a time, and people can actually start to negotiate. So im kind of piece rather than fueling the conflict a lot depends on how much a gets to ukraine. If United States cut off all a, do you create in all the elements of that aid . It would be hard for ukraine to continue, is resistance. The europeans in Global Community contribute a lot. Its probably a not enough to keep the Ukrainian Armed forces in the field. They would be forced to negotiate some sort of in place ceasefire. And that would give, put me at least a partial victory controls about 18 percent of ukraine. And the settlement will allow him to keep that so. So its good if they run out of weapons because they will be p. Storks and theyll be seized. And people fuel vapor will, can be killed. I can put him in and put in will have a partial victor in, you know, if youre comfortable with keeping food and then tower with a partial victory, then i think thats a win. If youre on comfortable with that, then thats the lose. So you, you said put it in in power. I do this is what about keeping page and and bowers it will still need to do with the range Game Changing rusher. Is this for . Well if pulling wednesday or if theres a negotiated a ceasefire on the current line pollutant will claim that thats a victory and that will ensure that he stays in power movies, particularly very, very popular anyways, me. But i mean, thats certainly not one of the names, but funny enough this week. Also the state Department Released their integrated country strategy. I didnt believe it goes that it was leaked wrongly, but actually it was up there on the website. Uh, what about the fact that the most of the state Department Paper is talking about the importance of us . I mean, just to take one line, they basically say the whole of ukraine is corrupt, so i dont know where all the money is ending up. It seems to be the implication and the management objective of the us state department, recruit, retain, drain and integrate of premier team to advance us policy goals. So, they issue a paper which basically says the ukraine must be, is completely corrupt. It needs to be reformed u