Or at least the United States reels to the news that youve deposed the speaker of the house of the people in the, in congress. Youve written a piece which i suppose it breaks, nations, people do joke about, but not so much on the bbc and cnn. Its cold, most a, the ukraine is spend to be invited states, a total shut down will be responsible. What do you mean most aid to ukraine is spent in the us national. What entity blinking says likely, or people on the press department, podium or in the white house. They say this is for the people of you. Great. As well as the 2 are not exclusive, i wrote a piece to give a sense of the many different elements of what is referred to as a g o crane. Because a dual credit is really a misnomer. This is really aid as a result of the war and ukraine. Some of the aid goes ukraine. Some of it helps ukraine. Some of it helps the United States and other uh, allies, for example, a chunk of the package of a g o crane pays for us forces to deployed to eastern europe. The nicest. Begin those deployments right after the war began. They were at about 20000 troops to down to about 10. Theyre there to reassure the europeans and improve deterrence against the russians. But paying for that is part of this aid to ukraine, but that money, most of the most of it stays in the United States. Another example is weapons when we send weapons with the United States and weapons to ukraine, is money to replace those weapons. That money goes mostly to us, arms manufacturers. So the weapons themselves go to you. Great helps for granted, and its a fight against russia. But the replacement uh goes to us manufacturers. So when you consider an agriculture you actually, i mean people can read it online, but you mentioned agriculture as well. Thats right. Uh, theres a piece of humanitarian aid that helps countries who are suffering as a result of the disruption in the global, the food trade, particularly a week coming out of ukraine and russia and the part of agriculture overseas programs in United States to help those countries with food, you see the, your endangers, and the, like julian assad. Sure said its a laundromat and actually all these was the money, its recycled and actually comes back to the United States. Thats why your article, maybe because of the shock, because its usually an argument made by the anti war left in the United States and the mag of republicans, of even they, some of them get donations like a, you know, his diffusion from the weapons companies. They want to keep this secret, i dont think so i, ive seen a number of commentators and even a members of Congress Making this argument. You know, theres nothing secret about it is, i know its just because the money is something i say it doesnt mean it doesnt help ukraine for example, with the provision of weapons which you manage, cherry and assistance a, you know, the fact that it ends up in the United States, i think, should maybe make people little more comfortable with it, but in many is, doesnt mean that it helps you create any less. Heres the interesting thing. Is the korean jump . Yeah, the white house spokesperson journalist was shouting out to him because by that said, the shut down of Us Government was over ukraine, and she refused to confirm that that was true. Of course, lots of debates on single Mainstream Media there about it. But your, your piece is very much trying to persuade people to continue support for the landscape on the basis that the shut down would be responsible. Is it your understanding that the bone of contention here is ukraine and the funding for ukraine . I mean, its hard to even quanta 5 the, the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been given to ukraine or given to the United States 3. Right . Yeah. Um, your credit was one of the elements of the bladder element was about a Government Spending in general, the republic and right wanted to reduce all spending of defense but also a spending. And you know, the government as a whole, as a result of your that, you know, they were holding to the government class stage of ukraine is a part of it. Its important to know to go that when the Community Resolution went to the floor of the house and passed. Overwhelmingly, if a bill supporting a g u crane went to the floor of the house, it would also be supported over one. When the, the problem is that theres a small group of conservative republicans who are determined it to cut Government Spending and cut a grant. And because of the narrow margin in the house, they have a lot of latitude. Were talking just you know, less than 2 ends worth of people in the house. Um, the short answer is yes, the vote was very marginal in florida against the speaker. I think there were 6 republicans who voted against the speaker with are the democrats now, if you put a of a bill on the floor about your premium for aid, they would probably get 80 to a 100 votes against it. But that means that there would still be 330. 00 ish votes for it. So it would pass overwhelmingly, except it is cnn poll, which is being running uh since february last year it shows a majority of americans in the United States oppose funding for the war by 55 percent. 55 percent of both. A majority claim to us has done enough. Majority of us have obviously said that a to it endangers us security. Its reflected in polls in europe as well, where its even bigger, 76 percent of both military financing, 74 percent of both financial support. I mean, theres a huge mismatches in there between the say that cnn poll and the congressman, the youre talking about who is old, as you say, will always guarantee more funding for the landscape. So there is a split between congress and i think the current pulling, the support for the war has been quite strong up until recently. But i think that reflects maybe the broader view that congress has taken. Its also not clear how deep that opposition is when you see it in congress, but again, its about 25 percent of the house. Okay, well ill get to the Nuclear Drills in a moment, but tell me about the significance of natos joint warrior exercise in this week of letting me a page and 71st, but they, they, theyre going on in the northern scotland. And obviously in the shadow as was of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians having been killed in the past 12 months or so. So i think its important. Keep in mind that nato has drugs going on all the time. That, you know, its not that this one is particularly focused on the current conflict was probably planned initially years ago. But it is a symbol in an indication about natos continuing readiness. Continuing to focus on russia and, you know, may be somewhat on trying to also, nato is a military alliance. And this is a reminder that the tray alliances conduct exercises in order to enhance deterrence and to be ready if concerts should come. But why are they uh, losing, i mean, all these billions at all is where the weapons are being sent. And clearly, you know, no, no progress seems to be made. And this counter offensive obviously, has some pizza impressions gain more ground, actually. And oh, its just being sent to you, great to be destroyed by the russians. So what if they were always practicing war games . Why they failing . And of course, i could say that in the context of the fact that the United States has been defeated in war after war. Of course, after vietnam, where i understand, you said that i did desert storm. Also, id say the United States has quite a successful in that. I think the conventional wisdom on the United States is that were very, very good and conventional conflicts likes, doesnt storm. Were not very good at insurgencies, as we saw in the latter part of iraq and afghanistan, but this is conventionally new drain. Is this uh no. Ukraine is a different situation because its the ukrainians who are fighting. You know that they need an exercise and thats for nato troops and they keep nato ready. The ukraine, of course, is not a member of nato. We are supplying them with weapons and trading. But you know, they have a long way to go. They have to be fair to them. Theyve greatly expanded their armed forces. Theyve taken a lot of casualties. But you know, the, they, you know, they need to have a continuous flow of weapons and training if theyre going to continue resistance. And thats true of every thats going to make a lot of money. I mean, terry, do they even have an munition to practice with the one that said me to exercise today . Because theres report, i mean weve heard before, comments from people, we actually had trucks. Many of them in from a spinny report on the show telling us about, um, not only the ineffectiveness of some weapons but also the loss of ammunition. We know here from the war Source Security for room, the admiral robe, our, uh, an agent Ministry Committee says the bottom of the barrel is now visible. Basically, nature doesnt have any munition. How did we get to that situation . A, is it true . And uh, are they just practicing with the sports . Uh no me. I mean issues the nato exercise. Um, i wouldnt say that nato is, i would have the admission that the nato countries still have some stuff thats nice. The scene natos most senior military official. I have no real bo, im sure you know of him. I use a same thing in the United States, but when, when they say were at the bottom of barrel, what, what they mean at least the United States is that were at the bottom of what we can give to the ukrainians. To give you an example of, of general initials weve given above 40 percent of our javelin inventory to ukraine, the pedagogy we looked at the given anymore because we would need to add for other possible conflicts, for example, in korea. So when you hear people say were out of javelin, were not out of javelins, were either java is that we can give to ukraine without accepting risk. That the pentagon believes is unacceptable. How would they help in korea javelin miss . I was given that i know from the trump, from him was why he rushed. If young and i or these to meet with kim jong, who in so quickly was when he heard the, as every president has do that, the north koreans can destroy los angeles. In 33 minutes a joint javelin, me. So i was a kind of useless. And so one day on the north, koreans have a very large military, very large ground for us. And if there were a, an extended conflict on the peninsula, javelins would be very helpful. But the creeds also have a lot of tags. Now the very old thing, when they just hit the United States, see it is essential if the and the us gone protect themselves from the, you know, the United States has a Missile Defense system. That is, in fact, designed to shoot down north korean missiles. You know, its never been tested against a real missile, but there are defense as their, their ability to strike the continental United States is still extremely limited. And if they did that, of course, United States has overwhelming fire power it could bring to bear, which ive done a lot of stop you the more from the Senior Advisor of the International Security program with you as arms, Company Funded sense of a strategic and International Studies after the spring, the executive, and im here to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Search like why watch something thats so different whitelisted opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please, or do they have the state department, the c, i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. Change and whatever you do. Dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, we dont wanna watch it because it might just change the waiting thing. The welcome back to going underground. Im still here was were tied kind of all of my accounts in Senior Advisor, vince national Security Program at the center for strategic and International Studies kind of, we were just talking about actually north, north korea. You know, theres a lot of control over the, over those, the Defense Systems that you have in the United States. Theyre infamous the secret. And by and they can only shoot down at most 3. Isnt it . 3 words in the north koreans can shoot for, i dont know. Why is it though, that the United States is holding a imagine c drill. Thats a nuclear drill. This week just now is off to russia. Hell, the nationwide drill that means in your country and re phone every television set, every radio image feel um, uh uh, in this case uh that its a rehearsal well, this sort of thing is not uncommon in the United States. They test the nuclear broadcast system. They have done that radically over many, many years. Sounds like the 1950s. Okay. And ill show you whens the last time for sure the, the broadcast system and i designate test it every year its tested, you know, quite frequently United States takes these precautions seriously. Of the importance of being able to communicate in a disaster. I think i might also points out that these capabilities are not limited to nuclear wars and nuclear incidents. You know, they can be used in natural disasters also. Yeah. They famously didnt work. And now we of course, were given the facts, then the, the munition is running low bottom of the barrel, according to nato. What happens if um, what happens if the, the stuff to you great, does that mean . There really will be a negotiating table a time, and people can actually start to negotiate some kind of piece, rather than fueling the conflict. A lot depends on how much a gets to ukraine. If United States cut off all a to create in all of the elements of that aid, it would be hard for ukraine to continue its resistance. The europeans and Global Community contribute to lots probably, and not enough to keep the Ukrainian Armed forces in the field. They would be forced to negotiate some sort of in place ceasefire, and that would give, put me at least a partial victory controls about 18 percent of ukraine. And the settlement will allow him to keep that so. So its good if they run out of weapons because theyll be peace talks and theyll be as hes fine and people few people who can be killed, i can put him in and put in, will have a partial victor in, you know, if youre comfortable with keeping food and power with a partial victory, then i think thats a win. If youre on comfortable with that, then thats the lose. So you, you said putting in power i do that is what about keeping page and, and bowers it the whole to do with the machine changing rusher . Is this cool . Well, if pulling wednesday or if theres a negotiated a ceasefire on the current line, well claim that thats a victory, and that will ensure that he stays in power movies, particularly very, very popular anyways, me. But i mean, thats certainly not one of the names, but funny enough this week. Also the state Department Released their integrated country strategy. I didnt believe it goes that it was leaked wrongly, but actually it was up there on the website. Uh, what about the fact that the most of the state Department Paper is talking about the importance of us . I mean visit to take one line. They basically say the whole of ukraine is corrupt, so i dont know where all the money is ending up. It seems to be the implication and the management objective of the usa department, recruit, retain, drain and integrate a premier team to advance u. S. Policy goals. So, they issue a paper which basically says the ukraine must be, is completely corrupt. It needs to be reformed urgently, because the political control is wielded by only galks and theres a whole system of corruption, an empty democratic uh, its an anti democracy there. So thats the, thats from the state department. Is this really about democracy at all . I mean, i know you mentioned regime change in russia is, is really a war from start to finish about, about russia. Nothing to do with you create well, its really about both of russia had not invaded ukraine, who would not be having these discussions in russia and they, that ukraine, uninvited. It was a deal of aggression on their part. Uh and you say on provoked on us media, did you agree with that . It was unprovoked. A, there was off about, i mean, rush are argues that the existence of ukraine as an independent country is a provocation, though it never, you know, that mean what, youre the means get cards ratified of the un security council. And its the violation of that, that russia claims is. That is the reason for it. You said in 2019 nato expansion weakens nato. Quite a, quite a statement. What, what did you mean by that and is nato today as its weakest in the history. Targeted nato, is that its, we just, but i, i do a worry that expanding nato further east towards adding countries that are not fully stable, that would undermine natos confusion. Anyone listening to you when you wrote that piece . Because clearly the people in the state department, the policy thing, thanks winning for your thank day. Did anyone listen to you when you said that . Because ive never seen a to expansion like it in terms of new members, recently and refreshing in a high. So it goes about the fact that some of aka is