A minority got a 92 percent right to 92 percent. Between the grades and exams. The other who as a minority got 91 percent, one percentage less. Which applicant do you give the position to . The one with 92 percent were the one with 91 percent. If you chose the one with 91 percent whos the minority . Ding ding, ding, you guess correctly, because that is how College Students have been chosen in the United States beginning of the 19 sixtys. Thats when the administrations are present academy in front of the job. The president johnson bush for civil rights laws that brought about affirmative action. I would say over the past several decades, there have been many who have criticized that strategy. Arguing that giving an advantage to minorities is no longer necessary. And they go on to say that affirmative action actually punishes those who are not minorities for nothing other than simply not being minorities. They say, if you had the best grades, you should have the best chances of getting in no matter what your race or you are in the city. Its. Its not fair say students including marco. The phone is. This is the 1st one to complain. This is the guy who filed the very 1st complaint about this. This goes back to 1971. It kills the university of washington, have denying him a chance to get into a law school simply because he wasnt black. He said, now, after nearly a half century, the Us Supreme Court has just sided with him. They have cited with the furnace and all the other students who made the same argument over the last years. The court ruled that if you are applying for college, your race should not be use to get you in or keep you out period. But they seem to be saying is that the only thing that should really matter is whether youre capable, whether youre intelligent, what are your grades . In other words, there should be no favorites as a for race or anything else when im meeting students. But have they, though, with that decision really eliminated favortism if thats what they were trying to do . Think about it. I have and the answer is no. They have not. They have not. Because now many are pointing out that theres a different type of favoritism. Wouldnt you know a favoritism not for the poor, for the rich, and especially for the super rich a. Its called legacy admissions. And it basically works like this. If your parents went to school, give money to a school or call up to school and offer a nice donation. And then mention that your name happens to be among those thats applying to go to this school. You are going to get moved up you know, are students that have better grades than you . Because your parents did that, that my friends is also favorites as a, not for the poor or for some black kid from the inner city. This gaze for the ranch and its reality. Look at this study, it was published by up the opportunity insights group. It finds that an applicant who comes from a family that represents one percent of income in the United States is 34 percent more likely to get into college compared to applicants with the same score. Di here, who dont have wealthy parents. And if you come from a family of multi millionaire parents, youre twice as likely to get it. And joining us now to talk about this is uh mike long. Mike is podcast or he has a very popular podcast. Its called can we please talk . And he also, by the way, appears on uh, cable television. Uh, corporate tv is some people would call it and were happy to have him. Hi mike, how are you, rick . Good to see you. As always, my friend, thats right, cable television, i need the exposure, right . I got, i got people, i got a message out here that i want people to, to listen to a, i should have mentioned, i should have made it. Can we please listen . But that doesnt make any money. So can we please listen if youre appearing on m as nbc and cnn, and some of those other places, trust me. Nobodys listening anyway, but at least thats the trend of late. Let me ask you this question because this is a very interesting thing. Was there pretty important what, what is your take on this, that this recent Supreme Court decision where they essentially said look to help with a form of action. We dont need it anymore. What do you make of that . You know, we covered it on the show, as you know, my co host has worked in education for forever. I have such a mix feelings because on the one hand, i agree with the Supreme Court overarching decision. I agree that we should be basing this on your grades, right . We should be looking at the application and not the name on the application. We should be looking at the resume and the parts of it. Unfortunately, thats an idealistic world, right . In a real world, we dont live in that real world. Im a byproduct of affirmative action. Rick. Okay. I grew up in the bronx, new york and moved to harrison. New york, the bronx, new york, the school did. I went to 90 percent blacks and latinos. I moved to a white neighborhood, 90 percent white people. I got my application further advanced because of the advantages of moving to a district 45 minutes to an hour north. Right. And that gets me noticed into a college that is pretty racially diverse. But i apply to one of the colleges that has a higher acceptance of blacks and latinos so i cant be hypocritical, the system that i use to my advantage of the other. Let me ask you, but hold on, im going to push back on you here. Did you have a great, good bye lady wouldnt even though you were an idiot or did they let you in because you, you werent qualified. Yeah. You know, you had the marriage. I i okay, so i had the grades high school grades, but sometimes the, a, c, ts scores were not up to snuff. So yeah, if you pair me with somebody whos a white student thats got maybe better, s a t scores and similar grades do, i even get noticed and that was the point of affirmative action. It was to get notice. It was so that your resume would be like, hey, these are other people that are just as qualified as these white candidates dont overlook these candidates. It started like that. Maybe it didnt more into that. Well thats probably, thats the, heres the, heres where i think youre right and youre wrong. I think it 1960 and 19 fifties america. African americans really were put all right. It was difficult for them to be able to succeed. Since that time, somewhat 4050 years have passed and i know anglo americans who are much poor and have worse conditions than African Americans who are growing up a bama like in good environments with wealthy parents who have good positions. And why should that guy, or that gal whos actually their middle class or well to do what happens to be african american, get an advantage over somebody else whos middle class or well do, why . Im not disagreeing with you on that. I, i have no report to that specific example. Unfortunately, wreck that is the minority because again, based on population, whites are still 62 percent of the population, right. African americans make up like 13 percent of the population here in the us. The point of affirmative action was, and if you ended now, which the Supreme Court has, in essence done in terms of colleges and universities, factory embrace, right, right. Yeah, you promote an idea that were all equal and we should have equal access to jobs and educational opportunities. The problem is, Research Studies have shown names that sound like sanchez, the own, which is my actual last name that my father changed to get a job to come when he came to this country. Were not getting callbacks because they werent getting that same access. And some of those same things still happened to that guy. Of course, less than i agree with you. And i would also agree with you that theres a disparity still among African Americans. And yet there isnt the same disparity in education with latinos, and asians in the United States will seem to have less of a problem get, getting into the schools on merit. Then African Americans do n. I mean thats just a hardboiled truth and its, its, its difficult to deal with how come were having success. Im talking you and i is left the nose in america where minorities to and asians are not only having success, theyre blowing everybody else away. Theyre actually having to come up with rules. In some schools were say, we cant take anymore agents, theres too many of them. So what, what look, i cant, i cant what you use, right . Is your barriers, what im saying . No, and i agree with that, and i think again, the big contention point for people that are on this progressive mindset or at least appear to be on the left side of this equation, which by the way should be a right wrong thing. Not a left, right . Thing, of course, most of them will argue that this is going to be advantageous now for white and Asian Americans because they tend to have the better grades. But when you look at access to education, just use me as the example. Rick, for example, right . Again, grew up in the Bronx School District in the bottom 1015000. You know, uh the average median income, 41000. 00 a year of people that live in that area. You got food and high trans factor in that area. Im just, im gonna stop you, im gonna stop you. Im gonna stop you because this, this is where you wouldnt die. I think well find a meeting place. Okay. Its not about whether you are cuban or puerto rican or under rent, or green, or purple, or black, or asian, or anything. Its about income. Ive always argued gimme a poor kid. Gimme a rich kid. The risk is going to have an easier time getting into school. You said a c. S a ts i could afford one s a t and then i ran out of money. My kids because i happened to be a, you know, a little richer than my parents were they failed to do it again fail to do it again until eventually they got the right grade. Right. Work and cant afford to take it 5 times. So right. Its not about the color of your skin, its about your bank account, by golly, well i, i agree with that. But again, the majority of people that dont have the money look like you sound like you and happen to darker than you are not. Thats the point and by the way, going back to your s a t point, just look at what happened in 2021 with Felicity Huffman and lloyd lawson and the 2 actresses here in the us that were paying thousands of dollars to programs that can help boost their kids as, as a t scores. Theyre taking fig photographs for their daughters to try to get admitted as rowing students that you see us see. I mean, these are the extravagant links that folks are going through that are happen to be white that have the advantage because like you said, they have the bank account that they can put their kids in a position to get into the school. And that was the whole point of affirmative action now when it comes to school, cuz remember, its not a law about schools, it was more about employment, but us in terms of schools. Now schools have to decide, do i take poor mike leon, or do i take felicity hoffmans daughter, even though they had the same equal grades. And you know, said well, and were going to move into the whole donor class and everything and just a minute. But before we leave this conversation, i think, i think weve found some general agreement that if we focus on the income and we say as a school, we should try and make sure 20 percent of our student population comes from an economically an economic place. Where the parents are only able to make 50000. 00 a year and, and were going to help those guys because of the income because they didnt have the advantages of the other students have. Im ok with that. Where, where its like, where it gets just fuzzy is when you start saying how black are you, where, how yellow are you or how brown are you or how white are you . And yeah, the color thing, my just, i think we just need to get away from it. No, i look rick, i agree with you on that. I wish we could get away from it. I wish that you and i were just judged as an, as, as rick sanchez and that we got those sanchez or Something Like that, that white people look at us in those spaces. The one thing i did wanna mention about that we had representative jamal bowman whos a representative of the state of new york. You know, us, the house of representatives and former educator, former middle School Principal in a pretty poor district, as in my own district, back in the bronx. And hes talked about things like this. Like if were really going to solve the problem, ok, just keep yelling, racism, racism, racism. When are we going to actually attack the problem . Which is at a fundamental level that the School Districts in that area are impoverished, that we dont have Financial Literacy setup for people in the schools thats passed down so they can learn how to save money out of how to balance a checkbook. Things like that, and hes been champing that in, in congress, and heres somebody, you know, i came on my show and im holding fee to fire saying like, what do we do about some of these things because we keep talking about the problem and not solving the problem, so when we come back, we have spoken about this, suppose a disparity where some people were getting into universities without having the merit to be in the university. And now the Supreme Court apparently has made some changes. Well, have we really fix the problem or are there still people getting into universities who dont deserve to be in the universities because they dont have the grades to be there and yet somehow theyre getting it. And who are those people . And thats what were going to be talking about. In fact, i want to mention one specific person who got away with that. When we come back, stay with us, mike, you stay right there. And by the way, id like to continue the conversation with you. What do you think of this . Id like to know what you think. Reach out to me on twitter. I want to share my thoughts with you as you share your thoughts with me. Reach me at rick sanchez, tv. Thats rick sanchez, tv on twitter, or x, or whatever the hell you want to call it. Ill be looking for you. Okay. What do we come back . Well, many African Americans are having a tough time achieving the necessary requirements to getting the major universities, hispanics in the United States, are experiencing something a little bit. What is it going to tell you after the break, the the, the recognition you made. So that way you might still go to the new approaches and then something from one of the most families in either one or more for more than with frontier needs nothing, just confused as to the entry and everything. I think the 1st one says workspace is interesting. To me, youre reading it the cheapest way to the deal. Know exposure to you as the the, the dealer to a vehicle. So the motions to the for the money and douglas is william, which is going to stay on the the but history of political leaders in the u. S. Has ripped cleaned with examples of senators and president s who grade wise did not deserve once they were given. Welcome back, im or to address. Let me continue this by sharing with you that there may be no better example of what i just mentioned. Then george w bush. The 43rd president of the United States didnt even come close to the score needed to get into harvard and yale, harvard and yale. Were not talking about Community College here. There was a student who reportedly couldnt muster, not only 90 percent or 80 percent, he was a 70 percentile. That means he was a c student. He had a c average, and yet he was able to get into arguably the best universities in the world. And with young george bushs score would have all been possible for any other ordinary student to take his score and try and get into harvard or be admitted there. But president bush, as we later called him, got in for one reason. And for one reason only the influence and the money of his grandfather, prescott bush, and the bush family legacy. Interestingly enough, hispanic students no longer need to be given a head start to get into college. At least not if you look at some of the recent numbers and the enrollment numbers, how theyre changing according to a study pleated by the peer group. Hispanic students in the United States are having more success than ever as applicants to universities. Theyre not as successful as Asian Americans by the way, but much higher, for example, than African Americans in fact, but they knows have doubled their enrollment over the past 2 decades in america. And were back now with uh, mike leon. He is a uh podcast or his podcast is called can we please talk . And he talks about these types of issues and weve been talking a lot about the change so that people are accepted into a university based on race and that we should really do Everything Possible to make it a meritocracy, right . You should be getting a job or getting into a university or getting anything in life based on how good you are, what your merit is. However, theres a problem is and i just told you about it. With george bush, george bush barely had a c average. He barely had a c average and he became the president of the United States because he was able to show that he had gotten into the Harvard Business. Cool. Had to be smart, right . Maybe not. And i guess, mike, am i wrong . Did he, he got into yale, right . He got into yale for undergrad, Harvard Business school as a t. I think he had like an 1180 or Something Like that. Again, a decent score and stuff like that. But again, not the grades were not up to snuff that would be comparable with somebody who is in that similar situation that may be looked and sounded like. Youve seen the word corrected it. If you would, i would have had this chris and wouldve added see average in high school and we applied to harvard. I just, i dont know, call me crazy. But i dont think they would have taken a rick sanchez or michael young. You know, i was thinking about this rick, when you invited me on the program. I think about right now im going through this. I have 2 daughters, right. And eventually