They want. We contacted these rarely police, the Labor Ministry as well as call got these rarely but theyre responsible for implementing the governments policies in the palestinian territories including gaza, asking them to clarify these findings. The 1st 2 never responded. Call got answered with a link to the web page which states the number and characteristics of work permits the gallons may apply for to across the boulder. We checked it and also searched for an independent analysis of the she liked the one done by the International Labor organization as a total of 27000. 00 permits wherever, since they issued 4 gallons. The highest number since the beginning of the blockade and meaningful boost into the gas and economy. However, only about 3 percent of them were proper work permits, providing wage protection and social benefits. Most others go to what they call Economic Needs permissions outside the purview of these way they label, meaning that more than 26000 gallons work with no Legal Protection provided. So im really are they really out of here it is. I know these and they who is the and i think that day and nobody get on the walk us from gaza and they, they need, she bought cars and they have it from guns and moving all care about their baby fee to get them out of their way rise . No, but i think the change the, the side to new. But while both sides benefits from the situation has piece row has a relatively cheap labor force and gaskins get a chance to earn despite some risks. Things are unlikely to change the boulder. Weve guys a thousands of palestinians workers crossing to israel and the west bank in search of better Job Opportunities and basically to make ends meet. But often what they are instead math with here is in justice abuse and a violation of their rights. Many get severely injured, some even die, but it doesnt stop others from coming as they say, what are the choice, do we have . We have notion at all to from is ro, guys a boulder. I know i thank so much for joining us here. One of the international that my colleague, you know, neil is here at the desk in half an hours time with a honda of news on updates. But the meantime does have a good friday and a wonderful the the hello and welcome to the cross talk. Were all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. In many ways, the west ukraine proxy war and russia is all about narratives. First deployed was russias unprovoked attack and then it was admitted, there was natos expansion, east that served as a capital of starting the conflict. Now were told its all about the future conflict with china. Take your pick. Its all boils down to western to germany, the process in russia and china. Im joined by my guess, carl john in raleigh. Hes a political analyst is doreen and host of the silk and steel podcast. And in london, we have a real consumptive. He is the founder of a k consulting and a Foreign Affairs analyst, right across up roles that affect gentlemen jump in in time you want, and i always appreciated. All right, let me start out with carl in, in raleigh. As i said in my introduction, weve seen over the last 20 months, these, this change of the sig ways in, in the narratives and how to describe what was go and what is going on now in ukraine. First, that was the unprovoked attack, and then a few weeks ago, 10 days ago, spelt and breakfast. Oh yeah. Does this happen because of nato hicks engines and now particularly coming out of the United States as a whole . This is a, this is a, a right to is conflict because its a, it will divide brush it from china will degrade chunk the china is. 4 eli, russia, i mean its, its very interesting how weve got to this point because those that wanted cold war 2 point, oh, well, theyve certainly got it, havent they, carl . Yes indeed. I mean, by this point, theyre just throwing see shes on the wall to see what sticks and that they are trying to come up with Different Reasons why we need to send hundreds of 1000000000 dollars to ukraine, to fund a weapons of munitions, to ukraine, to fight the russians 1st at fort wes, is not able to defeat russia. Second, why is there a need to have a hostile relationship with russia or china . These are never explained to the public because theres not even a public debate about it. Its just a given that we somehow must be engaging, hostile confrontation with both nuclear superpowers, russia and china. This is frankly insane. We need to have more discussion about the, about this ad, the, the administration, you washington. They need to come clean to explain why theyre doing this, but of course they wont because the real reason theyre doing this is to continue to fund the tax payers money to the military Industrial Complex. Just like to wondering what sort of set up time this on wasnt about award that us planning to window. Afghanistan was about to follow tax payers money into the military. Industrial complex. And this is what were seeing again in ukraine. I dont know on the, on the same note here. I mean, it seems to me now in retrospect that this was, i planned forever more just as carl is explained to us here. I mean, the griffith ended in afghanistan and 20 years pretty good gripped, but the grips out for you, ukraine. Now youre getting into the big number category. Okay. And we, we know that from a, a briefing that was given a few days ago to congress is that theres no timeline here and in the amount of money that is the needed will be end. Lets hear this is a shirley and a forever war with washington doesnt want to end and end up. The added advantage is Lindsay Graham says, you know, no americans are dying, but a lot of the ukrainians are en route. Go ahead. Oh yes, visa. Um, i do agree with you, but 1st of all, i have to start with some make, you know, very clear on not paying attention to media negative on paying attention to a bigger picture, which is a both of it stopped from the both of his talk through the husband, out of the 1992 to New York Times the size that the only superpower in the world can be United States. According to this doctrine ever since that time, as edwards um, kind of the, of the time based on that sort of from United States pointed out, it was the clear, cool for the 21st century american imperialism. That no country kind or should accept. But this is the motive, so from the in the United States, in washington dc, regardless of what a particular uh, president will be in the office or the government. I mean, the politicians will well, they will say in the, in the public. Obviously we remember the, the big chain, you know, about the time and clean power were trying to, you know, some how a manage the crisis, all of the kids of the, of both of its doctrine. But the ever since 1992 this sense and we are seeing this clearly we have our own stuff. America as it is, will not allow a russia and to be a competitor or a china. Whether it is possible to do that capacity to, to, to make this happen is be on the question. But what im trying to say is regardless, what is the media and they make that regardless what calls all said about the america should come clean. I mean america, we have a company with, with the intentions of us, as we all know, americas of motors of on the east to be a sole superpower in the world. Uh, a nice thing the, the is food 5 to think that the, um, any elections in united se would change this. Uh because the know ready to book the gemini, of imperialism is the only country that is, has the ability o. Uh, a privilege to set the rules, and in this case, the, in a Level International order is the United States. And is the countries like china, old russia stand in the way. This creates a, a huge problem and the potential ingredients for the complex im place. So this is my understanding of the current situation. I think your point about the world of its doctrine is absolutely spot on. And i remember very clearly when it was rolled out with scoffed out, it was actually made a made fun of, but in fact it became policy. And youre also right. Is it, it doesnt matter whos in the oval office, this continues. But karl, i will push a little bit back against that. I think, i think narratives are important because narratives are used to sell it to the public. Okay. And weve seen um, you know, the, the, like, particularly the political right in the United States. You know, the problem with the ccp cc paisley, they never talked about a china is being communist until it became a threat. And, but i think the narratives are really important because thats how you sell it to the public. And the republicans in the United States. They will be on board for this if they can say, well, if, if its against russia and it hurts china. Okay, were all in. That is a segue carl. I agree. Absolutely. Because so there is a divide in United States, whereas the republicans want to have worked with china and the democrats want to have worked with russia. So there are some planners say, well, why can we do both really literally saying that United States must prepare to have a war with russia and china, which is absolutely insane. And right right now, thats of all this excuse is really because there has been a space captured by the military Industrial Complex in the United States. You know, us likes to say its the leader of the free world. Its a worlds greatest democracy, but we have what we have in us right now is a blue talk or see a government wrong for the wealthy. By particularly the wealthy leads that owns the weapon. Manufacturers like the re fee on Lockheed Martin and boy, and the country is now being run for their profit. And this is why we must continue to engage you more across the world. You know, 1st off the amazon, you rock and libya, syria and now ukraine. So, so it really didnt matter except right now i think theyre biting more than they can chew because russia and china, theyre not your rocks, theyre not libya, they are armed with well, well talk karl, you must been a b, a watch or of this program because ive been saying this for years. Okay. The United States only go to address right now. And one of the United States has never had to confront a peer adversary. They have with russia. And this is something new. And its about working out the way they expect to go ahead and loved him on the site. Sure. Uh, i mean, uh, well, uh, according to the, to the, the modem plans. I mean, obviously they, they, the cost of the plan the, they make the projections about the as low single future about the was and so as a whole, so they need a new draft. I mean, they need more people. Uh, and in order to join the army on the topic is the, the quality of the people that can join the army. You know, the, what can assist with being around the west of low, especially in the United States states. I mean, the obesity, the low, the loss of a discipline, the drug addiction, all sorts of Mental Illnesses ill say is really uh so i mean, this is the, this is which is the and these, all the facts ive had that we know. And so, and so forth. But we have to understand other people, i like both of us and all the neo conservatives, and you can add to the cult of insanity, you liberals, people, and same. So regardless whether the facts and the, the state of style saw this and shows all the other way around. Like for instance, like cause the very beginning is that it was impossible for you credit to win the war. I mean, just recently a president is, is there is the sad and hes one of many of the number of speeches that without the, with ukraine will, will, wont be destroy. It will be defeated, which is always do any, any, any thats if it fits a great uh, i mean, the person to advertise due to a sound of the high school. I went to school with some at some point, is the fact that the same people, not mucous of this, they, they, they are treated by decided tricity, thoughts took total total was rushed out to with the china and the greed because these, well, our commercial was about was full risk, those isnt the whole state full the market share. So, but by understanding basis, like, you know, america, its really been hijacked by the people who are well and for the before we go to the baker i, i agree with the reason there, but i think theres an element of hubris as well, in moral superiority. Thats very much part of this message. They, you know, the china and russia are, are, you know, you know, culturally inferior, you know, the west is the best. I think thats very much part of it. 15 seconds before we go to the break, go ahead as well. Oh yeah, i mean i, i agree with you. I mean, we know that the International Relations as a discipline is racially charged. I mean, the movers, academic books about the base is a man racial, you know, struct, if occasion within the national relation its so when russia as an insult is treated as us. Yeah. Take the i have to jump here gentlemen, we have a hard break. And after that hard grades, well continue our discussion on russia and china and state are the, the hi, im executive, and im here to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Seriously. Why watch something thats so different. Little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please or do the have the state department to see i a weapons bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. I changed and whatever you do. Dont want marshall state main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont wanna watch it because it might just change the way you think. Welcome back. Across the top where all things are considered, im funeral about your mind. You were discussing russia and china the okay to go back to carl and raleigh carl, i am older than you. Im older than ad rail. So i have a little bit of wisdom on my side in memory. Okay. But you know, im a child of the cold war literally and you know, the entire cold war. I lived through it and they had something, i guess people forgotten about. It was called, they talked, why cant the west have . They talked with russia in china and other countries, the one thats not on the agenda. Okay. All we get is this kind of Joseph Burrell nonsense. That were the garden and youre not, youre the jungle. That is a very primitive way of looking at the world, and not to even considering peace and peaceful coexistence is an insult to the times that we live in co head. Carl. Its about jobs and careers. I mean, why do people like joseph or all you might have a job in the bounder lane. Uh, people like that. What do they do exactly except acting as miles east washington. I mean, you know, called carl carl david worth. Hes a mouthpiece for wednesday. I mean, it gets worse, a good thing. Keep going, carl. What the, the, the whole, the whole edifice of nato exist just to come through rochester, if rush you, west, and russia or china or to become friends. Youre gonna throw out all these natal bureaucrats, all the think tank, whos out of jobs. So its, is there, there is there all self interest in order to maintain their salaries or living in standards. They must perpetuate war and they must continue to show for this more we was, this is, this is very unfortunate back, but deep, but also you, us. So we have talked about, theres a lot of hubris, you know, why do us the empire act the way they do . Well, why did dogs eat fishes . Because the 10 us felt like you could throw its weight around because of it. Yeah, yeah. Hes used to throw his weight around without calling to resistance. Well, this time is different because russia and china is much more, is much more appear near peer competitor to the United States than anything us as in culture before. And i need to remind people, us have never really won a war against a near competitor. You know what were to, its a soviet union that did. Most of the heavy lifting us did do quite a bit in a pacific war. But then japan wasnt appeared a competitor of the United States. And now us be speaking to fight russia and china, your co work got to. They thought you could win. But guess what, todays russia in china is not the soviet union of yesterday years today, were looking at the brakes that has a large and larger economy that all of the g 7 combine. This is why theres a little a panic also in washington. And are you working capital . Theyre trying to preserve the gym, the lesser and a gemini, at any cost there, including waging up very terrible proxy work the ukraine. Yeah. Well, i dont know also uh it would be, uh, uh, it would be a shame if we didnt remember what happened exactly almost a year ago. Let me think, oh, the destruction of the north stream pipelines. Okay. Of course. No one will. I guess well never know, you know, thats, you know, one of those great mysteries of the cosmos. But the echo would carl was saying to maintain that had gemini, youre willing to damage your so called friends, go ahead and london as well, does the law stream to the bottom line a terrorist attack . Um is it bit but well it was one of the greatest a commercial terrorist attacks and the wisdom history that we know. And i, i do believe is the germans have dignity. I mean, some germans, im sure that they are over there. And this is a ticking bomb that the United States set one year ago. And it will blow into the whole collective west face in the coming months or years. And i will lay the ground, the hottest laid the ground full full of the night to dismantle. Because go live, it may, i do i do a lot of the pregnancy. Im not delete this other as it is. Well that many quite a bit. Oh, its a dream. It remains to be seen it we means to be say, nice i, i agree with your son to ment. Okay. But to have what i refer to him is Sergeant Schultz standing next to biden, you know, i mean, i mean the absolute complete full. He was, he was made out of he made himself a fool. Okay. And um, and he just stood by so i hope that there will be consequences. Karl, you