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Reaction to the most i use it negatively, it will affect the economy. And i tell myself that the all people whose thoughts of how to fill that void possibly due to the suspension. And well find alternative to, to allow us to get rid of this health goes together with the conditions that are forced upon us. And also a head on the program. Today marks the 15th anniversary of the military conflict, other ruptured in 2008 when georgia tried to retake the brick away region of surface. The 4 in the afternoon and center in a small the un here in most school, this tuesday, august the 8th. Welcome to the news our nor to nice years new military leadership has reportedly reject did an offer for a visit from the United Nations eco was representatives from the african union, pointing to the quote, the current context of anger following the sanctions imposed on their country. They say the delegation would not be welcomed. Thats one of the country is experiencing the consequences of the cruise that took place in the country almost 2 weeks ago. Well, nice year has also a point to the new Prime Minister a day after the week long ultimatum from a to was ended. The threatened the country with military intervention. People, by the way, from neighboring molly say its up to nice year to do with their own internal issues. Defeated their money, always just put them to fairly same face. Theyre ready to go and attack a sovereign country, which according to his people dont like that present. Thats a new sherry and problem and its up to need yet to solve it. Its not up to africa to intervene. Money in the commitments of modeling and burkina faso can change things today they are military powers. If you see molly speaking like this is because molly and these here are similar are in the same boat as something the fix new sheer effects molly as well. I do not believe that there will be an intervention with a military intervention. Im convinced there will be chaos these after a war. There are inevitably consequences. Well, explain it to most of us a fortnight for nice. Your 1st of all was the could and over through of the government, there was immediate condemnation from much of the international community, while from the e u. The u. S. Cut off or financial aid. No, not in rage, locals who took to the streets and stormed the french embassy. Then the west African Regional block echo was gave a 7 day deadline to the 2 leaders to reinstate the president or face military intervention that the mom, though, wasnt met. Another grouping will hold another meeting on thursday. Lets go through this wondering whos well equal was or the Economic Community of West African States consist of 15 members, including niger along with molly bertino, fussy and guinea. Theyve all been suspended from the block after going through cruise. Those nations have also back last years, new authorities or equal was, has since stopped all sorts of functions on the country. And threatened military intervention. The lip i gave, we pointed to allow the use of the disruption, all the ridges move for democratic consolidation in the region. It was a smoke going to tell the poop loved it when on the way where we are going to strike. Thats its a whole pollution load. The system that will be taken by the hassle. See, what will you to be like the amount of this in t fault, this operation . Will nigeria as president bulletin who, who has ordered electricity to be cut to neighboring niger . Hes also being one of the strongest of the kits for military intervention, but didnt win over the senate in his nation, which rejected. They call the spike condemning the legitimacy of life. Here is new rulers, the nigerian leaders o record. By the way, it has been called into question in a recent report by the gray zone investigative i lets you have just over and over throughout his political career the, these jews, corruption scandals that have somehow not managed to destroy his, his political career throughout this process. He has been meeting repeatedly according to what you weeks cables that i reviewed with the u. S. Embassy and its, its officials and basically briefing them over and over again on the Political Landscape in nigeria, the us investor at the time said that his assessments have been very useful for 4 of the americans. And so you have to wonder, you know, why was bullets you need to never indicted in the United States . Why was he allowed to keep so much of the initially seized money from his Bank Accounts that was said to be involved in it and, and Drug Trafficking is, is, what did what kind of deal was he able to strike with, with american authorities . And you have to also understand that bulletin abel is the perfect kind of imperial puppet for the United States. This is what they do over and over again is they find a compromise to figure somebody that they can exert leverage on. And they prop them up and the 2nd that they become no longer useful they, they go after them and they get rid of them, they put them in jail or have them taken out, you know, so he, for, for, for whats going on in niger right now, and then in west africa, hes a perfect person for the United States because they can basically make him do whatever they want. The bigger problem here is that the Nigerian Senate has rejected his request to invade nice year. So hes, hes, it looks like hes trying to use his power at the eco was the regional block that he chairs um to, to have an invasion and, and just uh, 2 days ago, um eco, was said that they would attack nice year, but they wont. And now is when and where are how Something Else to point out here. Nice year is a crucial colleague and helping to keep the lights on in some european nations as being the continents 3rd largest supplier of uranium for the past 2 decades. Which of course, is key for nuclear energy. Amid the political turmoil and the west african country, former colonial ruler from the census business as usual, must continue. Heres the great zones, Alex Rubenstein again in the future of western economies, at least in so far as western planners see it on rely on, on the exploitation of low wage minors in, in western africa. And, and so, um this, you know, the United States wants to do a Green New Deal thats going to require rare earth minerals. The United States wants to keep funding the military Industrial Complex while they can produce sophisticated weapon systems without this kind of stuff. And any, any kind of Smart Technology or, or on course Green Technology relies heavily on this stuff. And so this, this is in many ways of battle for the future of economic dominance. Whats at risk here is, is a regional proxy word that is, is very dangerous. For, for, for not just west africa, but, you know, these things spill over. And i believe that this conflict in west africa has, has a potential piece despite a lot of control and, and brings us that much closer to world war 3 territory on the us as wait in to, to on monday, acting, deputy secretary of state victoria newland, trouble to night here where she had quotes difficult negotiations, but some of the crew leaders pressuring them to reinstate the, the post president barbara. She met neither with the honest and mohammed bustle or the new leader general to charlie and in the wake of washington cutting off funding. Its a is the flow of cash will resume if the new leadership stepped on. The secretary announced on friday also that we are pausing assistance to the government for the time being um that assistance will affect the development a to the Government Security aid to the government. Its a significant amount. I dont have a number because its a pause and its a posit we would hope would be reversed if the who the leaders would step aside and restore Constitutional Order tomorrow. That pause would be uh the, the Security Deposit go away and Security Assistance would be reinstated. But as weve made clear, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake. Well, as mentioned delegations from back, you know, fast to and molly arrived in nice year earlier in a show of support for the crew. The groups being led by a multi administer who was a prominent figure in the military takeover in his country and 2020. Both nations express their firm, barking for the new government and said, any military intervention by echo was, would be considered a declaration of war against all of them. For loving up to par us. Meanwhile, nature announced it was suspended goal a to break you know fast. So after a while i get to good, gave its backing to the 9 year leaders, we got reaction to the move from locals or it does that might help with us. Or even if to say it was really important, especially for loanable populations. I think its an opportunity for us to learn to detach ourselves from this kind of support and try to get by on their own. I dont think im missing this out for really harmless. We have a lot of assets here that can allow us to feed ourselves. So if this help isnt there, i dont think it changes much force. Most of i just need to, inevitably, it will affect the economy. And i tell myself that, that all people who are thoughts of how to fill that void, im afraid for the pull the key to be persons. Maybe the biased would increase. Again, we dont know the bus only and all it must be said that troy, a government is trying to finance itself. So hopefully the own solutions that were found long before this happened. And it is okay. Were saying that the hold of aid programs will not go unnoticed, but little tough enough and possibly due to the suspension, we will find alternatives that will allow us to get rid of this help goes together with conditions that are forced upon us. Or molly and base political level is less than me. Things that are clear reasons why both bama co and burkina faso are supporting nigeria, new government. I say bob board, are they molly and broken off . I so are not supporting new share for the sake of new share. This is a strategic issue. And these countries have realized that it is important for them, for their interest to be in the struggle together with new share in order to clearly demonstrate to some countries. And also in particular, to sub regional organizations that they remain masters of the situation. It seems to me that these year and eco laws are unlikely to come to a peace agreement, the military take their positions. And i think fed thanks to meetings with the current authorities of molly. They have in trench themselves in this position, the sites and after the so called appeal issued by the military, 30000 people of new share gathered and filled the countrys largest stadium that can prove the support of the people. To date, military intervention is the last resort, the eco watch will decide unless the peaceful resolution of the conflict can otherwise be reached. But if it will intervene, the situation in these year will look like a game of survival. However, if there is no intervention and the military remains in their positions, i think the authority of eco was, will be undermined. And i think that eco was as well aware of this and therefore will do Everything Possible to break the chairs military. And while the allies are focused on niger could a similar situation via by to on full further research on the continent, ethiopia and Security Services have claimed local militias are plotting and over troops of the government. There are to talk to them as being delving into the check out our analysis when you get the chance. Today marks the 15th oliver straight up the trunk of defense of august 2008. When george and forces made an attempt to recheck the brick away region of south of cynthia, the new stock debris for with russia. I left hundreds of people to of this treasure do for a cure during the time of the former. So it is, they did nothing to prevent our country from entering into this war. We have seen the shameful actions of the former commander in chief for life joined in the studio by our t correspondent donald course or donald. Yeah, its, it may have been a decade of a half ago, but for some those events. How the on full that still in large today. I think thats true to say. Yeah, absolutely. 15 whole years have passed since georgian forces to invade itself a study, and really this is still something fresh in the minds of many people from the 5 day war on all sides of the conflict. Now to give our viewers a bit of background on what happened the, this is caucasian republic. It declared independence from georgia in 1991 after enjoying a large degree of autonomy throughout the soviet period in tbilisi decided that it was going to retake this region by force and it led to a number of conflicts. The 1st one being in the early 90 is another one in 2004, and the last one being in 2008. When russia finally decided that it was going to a step in on behalf of the se, sending people and defend them, a lot of fatalities as well. No. As you say, 15 years on the, is there a consensus on who barrys responsibility really for what took place . Well, there are uh, at the beginning it was, you know, pointing fingers essentially. I mean, back then uh, the head of the georgia government was the western backed president , mikhail 2nd smeeley, who said that russia was responsible for invading south a city of which was essentially his cast, this valley of moving george and troops into that area. However, later we saw that a European Union commissioned investigation actually showed that that couldnt have been farther from the truth. Lets take a list. The in the missions view, it was george, i figured the world going to back soon while the heavy artillery on the night of 7 to 8 of august 2008. None of the explanations given by the Georgia Authority is in order to provide some form of legal justification for the attack lead in a valid explanation. In particular, there was no mass of Russian Military invasion underway, which had to be stopped by georgia military forces showing involved not only was it established that tbilisi was the main instigator of this flare up in the conflict, but Human Rights Watch also established that george and forces were very liberal when it came to indiscriminate artillery showing throughout this period. And this is something that, in any conflict means high civilian casualties. In a number of instances, george and forces use indiscriminate and disproportion force in our total results on surface area. And in some cases, use disproportion force in their ground to salt. The majority of this instance is derived from georgias use of multiple rocket launching systems which cannot distinguish between civilian and military objects in areas populated by civilians. Many civilians were killed or wounded. So frustrated, right . Everything is being shots, have theres no communications, theres nothing governors have mercy on this place. So far. We spent nearly 24 hours in the basement just sitting there. Where here because yesterday georgians, a tech, the city and the suburbs. So we have new choice because our homes are in shelters, which we are glad to. We could touch here. Thank you. Russia for your help. Nothing else to see. Its a real war out there in the city. No gas, no electricity, no communication. Relatives dont know if were alive or not, an adult life cant help thinking just looking at some of the reaction to testimony from people there. How. How reminiscent, perhaps it isnt of today in the, in the ukraine conflicts, especially what and for the in, in done by us. And is there similar states between what happened inside the city it and then you bring confidence . Yeah, i would say so. I mean, because the dispute of self of study is still alive one and it really looks very similar to the way you crane looked after the minutes. Protocols were assigned, which was supposed to establish a cease fire throughout the dunbar. Conflict. I mean, in that situation we had a western back to government come to power and key of then it used the government, the structure and the military to launch an invasion of these regions that declared themselves independent peoples republics. And then a shaky cease fire throughout 8 or 8 more years until russia launched its military operation to cease fire. That now we know actually was unsustainable and that the western powers were not even actually abiding by in good faith. Now its also important to note that rush at the head of russias state duma said that soccer should be the end. Zalinski are likely to go down the same path. He called them to rooster folds, actually suckers. Philly is now in prison after uh, basically being of no more used to the west. And so itll be interesting to see what happens if the landscape goes astray from what the west wants from him. Indeed, thanks for taking us through that or to correspond donald quarter. Well, lets delve into the some of the points that said dont actually raise. Theyre always good to welcome on to the program. Live independent dutch journalists, sonya vanden and the hi sonya. Yeah, 15 years have passed. Its hard to believe since a military conflict erupt and when georgia tried to retake side to set you can you give us your, your recollections of the time when, when that occurred as well. Of course, having a 2000 and age. But before that we had to deal with those channels, the roses in georgia and lives me. So as i can see, when the mentioned e, i was the western back dreams president s to be like his uh well his now and we can see whats the last gave the same uh idea. This guy was amazed. Oh, it is married to that lady. Fortunately, but anyhow, and he was the green candidate. So the resolution of the roses went in 20032010 president. A Radio Station was in 9192 and they were the 2nd. So in the, the, the, both his ideology were, you know, his, uh, what his western uh, mazda is in the us and uh, they need to be part of a georgia. So we tried to do that and i think he was successful about them until 2008. There was a lot of culture going on and the people in the, in the United Nations<\/a> eco was representatives from the african union, pointing to the quote, the current context of anger following the sanctions imposed on their country. They say the delegation would not be welcomed. Thats one of the country is experiencing the consequences of the cruise that took place in the country almost 2 weeks ago. Well, nice year has also a point to the new Prime Minister<\/a> a day after the week long ultimatum from a to was ended. The threatened the country with military intervention. People, by the way, from neighboring molly say its up to nice year to do with their own internal issues. Defeated their money, always just put them to fairly same face. Theyre ready to go and attack a sovereign country, which according to his people dont like that present. Thats a new sherry and problem and its up to need yet to solve it. Its not up to africa to intervene. Money in the commitments of modeling and burkina faso can change things today they are military powers. If you see molly speaking like this is because molly and these here are similar are in the same boat as something the fix new sheer effects molly as well. I do not believe that there will be an intervention with a military intervention. Im convinced there will be chaos these after a war. There are inevitably consequences. Well, explain it to most of us a fortnight for nice. Your 1st of all was the could and over through of the government, there was immediate condemnation from much of the international community, while from the e u. The u. S. Cut off or financial aid. No, not in rage, locals who took to the streets and stormed the french embassy. Then the west African Regional<\/a> block echo was gave a 7 day deadline to the 2 leaders to reinstate the president or face military intervention that the mom, though, wasnt met. Another grouping will hold another meeting on thursday. Lets go through this wondering whos well equal was or the Economic Community<\/a> of West African States<\/a> consist of 15 members, including niger along with molly bertino, fussy and guinea. Theyve all been suspended from the block after going through cruise. Those nations have also back last years, new authorities or equal was, has since stopped all sorts of functions on the country. And threatened military intervention. The lip i gave, we pointed to allow the use of the disruption, all the ridges move for democratic consolidation in the region. It was a smoke going to tell the poop loved it when on the way where we are going to strike. Thats its a whole pollution load. The system that will be taken by the hassle. See, what will you to be like the amount of this in t fault, this operation . Will nigeria as president bulletin who, who has ordered electricity to be cut to neighboring niger . Hes also being one of the strongest of the kits for military intervention, but didnt win over the senate in his nation, which rejected. They call the spike condemning the legitimacy of life. Here is new rulers, the nigerian leaders o record. By the way, it has been called into question in a recent report by the gray zone investigative i lets you have just over and over throughout his political career the, these jews, corruption scandals that have somehow not managed to destroy his, his political career throughout this process. He has been meeting repeatedly according to what you weeks cables that i reviewed with the u. S. Embassy and its, its officials and basically briefing them over and over again on the Political Landscape<\/a> in nigeria, the us investor at the time said that his assessments have been very useful for 4 of the americans. And so you have to wonder, you know, why was bullets you need to never indicted in the United States<\/a> . Why was he allowed to keep so much of the initially seized money from his Bank Accounts<\/a> that was said to be involved in it and, and Drug Trafficking<\/a> is, is, what did what kind of deal was he able to strike with, with american authorities . And you have to also understand that bulletin abel is the perfect kind of imperial puppet for the United States<\/a>. This is what they do over and over again is they find a compromise to figure somebody that they can exert leverage on. And they prop them up and the 2nd that they become no longer useful they, they go after them and they get rid of them, they put them in jail or have them taken out, you know, so he, for, for, for whats going on in niger right now, and then in west africa, hes a perfect person for the United States<\/a> because they can basically make him do whatever they want. The bigger problem here is that the Nigerian Senate<\/a> has rejected his request to invade nice year. So hes, hes, it looks like hes trying to use his power at the eco was the regional block that he chairs um to, to have an invasion and, and just uh, 2 days ago, um eco, was said that they would attack nice year, but they wont. And now is when and where are how Something Else<\/a> to point out here. Nice year is a crucial colleague and helping to keep the lights on in some european nations as being the continents 3rd largest supplier of uranium for the past 2 decades. Which of course, is key for nuclear energy. Amid the political turmoil and the west african country, former colonial ruler from the census business as usual, must continue. Heres the great zones, Alex Rubenstein<\/a> again in the future of western economies, at least in so far as western planners see it on rely on, on the exploitation of low wage minors in, in western africa. And, and so, um this, you know, the United States<\/a> wants to do a Green New Deal<\/a> thats going to require rare earth minerals. The United States<\/a> wants to keep funding the military Industrial Complex<\/a> while they can produce sophisticated weapon systems without this kind of stuff. And any, any kind of Smart Technology<\/a> or, or on course Green Technology<\/a> relies heavily on this stuff. And so this, this is in many ways of battle for the future of economic dominance. Whats at risk here is, is a regional proxy word that is, is very dangerous. For, for, for not just west africa, but, you know, these things spill over. And i believe that this conflict in west africa has, has a potential piece despite a lot of control and, and brings us that much closer to world war 3 territory on the us as wait in to, to on monday, acting, deputy secretary of state victoria newland, trouble to night here where she had quotes difficult negotiations, but some of the crew leaders pressuring them to reinstate the, the post president barbara. She met neither with the honest and mohammed bustle or the new leader general to charlie and in the wake of washington cutting off funding. Its a is the flow of cash will resume if the new leadership stepped on. The secretary announced on friday also that we are pausing assistance to the government for the time being um that assistance will affect the development a to the Government Security<\/a> aid to the government. Its a significant amount. I dont have a number because its a pause and its a posit we would hope would be reversed if the who the leaders would step aside and restore Constitutional Order<\/a> tomorrow. That pause would be uh the, the Security Deposit<\/a> go away and Security Assistance<\/a> would be reinstated. But as weve made clear, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake. Well, as mentioned delegations from back, you know, fast to and molly arrived in nice year earlier in a show of support for the crew. The groups being led by a multi administer who was a prominent figure in the military takeover in his country and 2020. Both nations express their firm, barking for the new government and said, any military intervention by echo was, would be considered a declaration of war against all of them. For loving up to par us. Meanwhile, nature announced it was suspended goal a to break you know fast. So after a while i get to good, gave its backing to the 9 year leaders, we got reaction to the move from locals or it does that might help with us. Or even if to say it was really important, especially for loanable populations. I think its an opportunity for us to learn to detach ourselves from this kind of support and try to get by on their own. I dont think im missing this out for really harmless. We have a lot of assets here that can allow us to feed ourselves. So if this help isnt there, i dont think it changes much force. Most of i just need to, inevitably, it will affect the economy. And i tell myself that, that all people who are thoughts of how to fill that void, im afraid for the pull the key to be persons. Maybe the biased would increase. Again, we dont know the bus only and all it must be said that troy, a government is trying to finance itself. So hopefully the own solutions that were found long before this happened. And it is okay. Were saying that the hold of aid programs will not go unnoticed, but little tough enough and possibly due to the suspension, we will find alternatives that will allow us to get rid of this help goes together with conditions that are forced upon us. Or molly and base political level is less than me. Things that are clear reasons why both bama co and burkina faso are supporting nigeria, new government. I say bob board, are they molly and broken off . I so are not supporting new share for the sake of new share. This is a strategic issue. And these countries have realized that it is important for them, for their interest to be in the struggle together with new share in order to clearly demonstrate to some countries. And also in particular, to sub regional organizations that they remain masters of the situation. It seems to me that these year and eco laws are unlikely to come to a peace agreement, the military take their positions. And i think fed thanks to meetings with the current authorities of molly. They have in trench themselves in this position, the sites and after the so called appeal issued by the military, 30000 people of new share gathered and filled the countrys largest stadium that can prove the support of the people. To date, military intervention is the last resort, the eco watch will decide unless the peaceful resolution of the conflict can otherwise be reached. But if it will intervene, the situation in these year will look like a game of survival. However, if there is no intervention and the military remains in their positions, i think the authority of eco was, will be undermined. And i think that eco was as well aware of this and therefore will do Everything Possible<\/a> to break the chairs military. And while the allies are focused on niger could a similar situation via by to on full further research on the continent, ethiopia and Security Services<\/a> have claimed local militias are plotting and over troops of the government. There are to talk to them as being delving into the check out our analysis when you get the chance. Today marks the 15th oliver straight up the trunk of defense of august 2008. When george and forces made an attempt to recheck the brick away region of south of cynthia, the new stock debris for with russia. I left hundreds of people to of this treasure do for a cure during the time of the former. So it is, they did nothing to prevent our country from entering into this war. We have seen the shameful actions of the former commander in chief for life joined in the studio by our t correspondent donald course or donald. Yeah, its, it may have been a decade of a half ago, but for some those events. How the on full that still in large today. I think thats true to say. Yeah, absolutely. 15 whole years have passed since georgian forces to invade itself a study, and really this is still something fresh in the minds of many people from the 5 day war on all sides of the conflict. Now to give our viewers a bit of background on what happened the, this is caucasian republic. It declared independence from georgia in 1991 after enjoying a large degree of autonomy throughout the soviet period in tbilisi decided that it was going to retake this region by force and it led to a number of conflicts. The 1st one being in the early 90 is another one in 2004, and the last one being in 2008. When russia finally decided that it was going to a step in on behalf of the se, sending people and defend them, a lot of fatalities as well. No. As you say, 15 years on the, is there a consensus on who barrys responsibility really for what took place . Well, there are uh, at the beginning it was, you know, pointing fingers essentially. I mean, back then uh, the head of the georgia government was the western backed president , mikhail 2nd smeeley, who said that russia was responsible for invading south a city of which was essentially his cast, this valley of moving george and troops into that area. However, later we saw that a European Union<\/a> commissioned investigation actually showed that that couldnt have been farther from the truth. Lets take a list. The in the missions view, it was george, i figured the world going to back soon while the heavy artillery on the night of 7 to 8 of august 2008. None of the explanations given by the Georgia Authority<\/a> is in order to provide some form of legal justification for the attack lead in a valid explanation. In particular, there was no mass of Russian Military<\/a> invasion underway, which had to be stopped by georgia military forces showing involved not only was it established that tbilisi was the main instigator of this flare up in the conflict, but Human Rights Watch<\/a> also established that george and forces were very liberal when it came to indiscriminate artillery showing throughout this period. And this is something that, in any conflict means high civilian casualties. In a number of instances, george and forces use indiscriminate and disproportion force in our total results on surface area. And in some cases, use disproportion force in their ground to salt. The majority of this instance is derived from georgias use of multiple rocket launching systems which cannot distinguish between civilian and military objects in areas populated by civilians. Many civilians were killed or wounded. So frustrated, right . Everything is being shots, have theres no communications, theres nothing governors have mercy on this place. So far. We spent nearly 24 hours in the basement just sitting there. Where here because yesterday georgians, a tech, the city and the suburbs. So we have new choice because our homes are in shelters, which we are glad to. We could touch here. Thank you. Russia for your help. Nothing else to see. Its a real war out there in the city. No gas, no electricity, no communication. Relatives dont know if were alive or not, an adult life cant help thinking just looking at some of the reaction to testimony from people there. How. How reminiscent, perhaps it isnt of today in the, in the ukraine conflicts, especially what and for the in, in done by us. And is there similar states between what happened inside the city it and then you bring confidence . Yeah, i would say so. I mean, because the dispute of self of study is still alive one and it really looks very similar to the way you crane looked after the minutes. Protocols were assigned, which was supposed to establish a cease fire throughout the dunbar. Conflict. I mean, in that situation we had a western back to government come to power and key of then it used the government, the structure and the military to launch an invasion of these regions that declared themselves independent peoples republics. And then a shaky cease fire throughout 8 or 8 more years until russia launched its military operation to cease fire. That now we know actually was unsustainable and that the western powers were not even actually abiding by in good faith. Now its also important to note that rush at the head of russias state duma said that soccer should be the end. Zalinski are likely to go down the same path. He called them to rooster folds, actually suckers. Philly is now in prison after uh, basically being of no more used to the west. And so itll be interesting to see what happens if the landscape goes astray from what the west wants from him. Indeed, thanks for taking us through that or to correspond donald quarter. Well, lets delve into the some of the points that said dont actually raise. Theyre always good to welcome on to the program. Live independent dutch journalists, sonya vanden and the hi sonya. Yeah, 15 years have passed. Its hard to believe since a military conflict erupt and when georgia tried to retake side to set you can you give us your, your recollections of the time when, when that occurred as well. Of course, having a 2000 and age. But before that we had to deal with those channels, the roses in georgia and lives me. So as i can see, when the mentioned e, i was the western back dreams president s to be like his uh well his now and we can see whats the last gave the same uh idea. This guy was amazed. Oh, it is married to that lady. Fortunately, but anyhow, and he was the green candidate. So the resolution of the roses went in 20032010 president. A Radio Station<\/a> was in 9192 and they were the 2nd. So in the, the, the, both his ideology were, you know, his, uh, what his western uh, mazda is in the us and uh, they need to be part of a georgia. So we tried to do that and i think he was successful about them until 2008. There was a lot of culture going on and the people in the, in the Southeast Asia<\/a> and i think i passed. Yeah. As well. They didnt want to be part of georgia, going to have their own language again, assume the levity to what we are seeing now in the ukraine, because the russians, you know, they would pick it up as being russian. And i think thats the same ones at georgia, georgia and government one to then to be. So then of course, it started in the today, 16 years ago. It started the 5 day more on the friday spend time. Now we can see the complexities much longer. Unfortunately, but still, i think as a problem going on and this task i see went through ukraine later on, he became even, i think, the governor of the odessa of last and the story and hes now in jail. And he was, hes in prison cases in its own country, georgia. I think well see theres some things back in 2007. He was a photo losing the next since that time. So yeah, maybe some lensky indeed will go the same path. S a s. Yeah, so lets go see the, the analysis today. Sonya i would submit is quite illuminating, including from georgias Prime Minister<\/a>, who criticized the then administration of his nation, stating it did nothing to prevent the country from, from entering into the war at whats your take on the but i think the thing is right because he didnt do anything he attacked as of the seas yet in 2008. So he didnt uh, in any the see, nothing was done. He, he, a texas people. The witness do, is that really to georgians effect you know, what was making fault at the you and so on. Is that indeed, you know, georgia, i was the one who was the rest. So i think they also a big thing. It was he a close to a t v station and very popular to the section in georgia. Is that so . I mean, he is, was the pressing also many people in georgia itself and a lot of people as in, i think it was 2000. And one of the problem is that, you know, the older corruption here in the country will be gone when i become president and his phone to new political party. But he didnt do actually, yeah. Parts, according to the georgia people. So yeah, now we can see the whole isnt that hes in jail because of this. So what i for on it came a chronic miscalculation by him sonia were just looking at some of the pictures during those 5 days. Im the turmoil of that period which echoes today was it that was it just a miscalculation that he simply thought that the will not be any reaction from, from the, from the people there. And also from, from moscow me. Yes, i think hes because i think he went to pieces across the state of the time and somehow maybe he thought it was you know, everything was okay. Well maybe diversity is refreshing. A little bit to him, but okay, its not such a do. May lead as maybe what he thought, but she miscalculated the whole thing. Yeah. We see what the result was, but yeah, i mean, it was the only 5 days whats happened before, maybe also the, the west or the west was picking him up. And in this war, because of course he got maybe his orders somehow from the west, a lot of it was quite a bit and that wasnt that the us importing that that he mentioned. Yeah, yeah. Same as we see. And you know, its a debit extends what we see these days, you know, because of the old enough fees were based on my west. But yes, well the same scenario, this is once you know what the us is doing. We sold, ive also went through my uncle data, the for that set, the resolution of the roses. So this is the same scenario which is going on today. Okay, well we thank you very much for your take on the other for a straight say. 15 years on sonya it doesnt appear that long, but its still echoes, as we said, reverberates at to this thing. Independent duster and the son, yet funding and in many sites. Thank you. Have a nice day. You to know a motion of no confidence is being debated in the Indian Parliament<\/a> against the government of Prime Minister<\/a> and a rendered moody. Was table by opposition. Parties with a vote expected on thursday, taking us through the political fight to head in new delhi. Heres artesia, engine shawna or in the next due date is today or tomorrow in the off. So we will see the opposition corner of the government in the indian solomon on the beach, on several topics where the feed all the shortcomings of the government. Now little confidence motion is basically to test whether the government of the day enjoys the majority of the house or not. And if a government does not come on the majority, then each can not see and follow. So for example, say if the more the government wants to lose the no confidence motion, what happens then mr. Movie, along with his entire cabinet will have to resign. And then the chair takes a government comes into play. But its all sort of that happening extremely unlikely, and ill tell you why. So this is a new section. No problems with showing that mr. Moody will have to see if the last one being in 2018, which one . Im 2 slides that one mr. Moore, hes expected to win this one as well, simply because mr. Movie and his spot to the beach of be hard to hear john bob bossy this mornings political policy. They have the numbers in the house. So mr. Movie and his political policy needs to be extremely confident being well see the timing of the more confidence motion, which has been brought in by phone. He says hes extremely crucial. You are in the next 10 months, india is due for a genuine election and india will in fact choose its next Prime Minister<\/a>. So the timing your actions now believe that this move by the position really is an election campaign. So to see that has begun in india for that election, which is due for may next year. And basically believe that at the move level position really used to them back as the gums towards debates on all topics that the fields will make the government uncomfortable. In fact, the opposition themselves see the bill gordon list with the on northern this to meet the government through their numbers which they clearly have the opposition. In fact, in the next 3 days is expected to bring up. For example, the money for estimate was, which has been going on and the said for the last few months or so id really in crisis, almost in the country. I have been to testing on and off are unhappy with the opposition. See also attacks on minorities in the country are some of the issues that the opposition is expected to talk about box. And as a big box, real and actions in india are on the ground and in the parliament. So it starts with ease that move by the opposition when how little or no impact on the gen x. X here posted in teenager has died from his injuries after reportedly being shot spine is really settler. Near ramallah in the westbank is really authoritys claim the 17 year old boy may have been throwing fire bones when he was shot, responding to the rising violence in general in the west bank. These really National Security<\/a> ministers at settlers at his quote, for packing. Anyone who defends himself from stone throwing should receive a commendation its you who defends himself and others from murder by police student. And this is not a murder suspect, but a hero will get full back in from me. Of those comments from the is really minister. Came after a separate instance, also near, but on my last week, when a 19 year old posted in my new shelving field to do a settlers, ive since been arrested in connection. We spoke with the mom who witnessed the shooting, recalled what happened the day after leaving the saw in the 1st of all, what happened is as usual, the is really settlers started attacking the village. In the beginning, the attacks were stones, the settlers were throwing stones at us. So the guy started fighting back and trying to stop the settlers from going in any further into the village, out of nowhere. Suddenly, without any warning, the settlers started shooting at us, would live bullets, now cra, side, the martyr may he rest in peace was among the 1st row of the village men. And i think one of the settlers was randomly turning on the flashlight at the village meant to see them. And then i believe there were snipers among the settlers because per site was directly hits in his neck and another one in his chest. So the shooting happened in the horrendous way, not even as really soldiers would shoot at us like this. We dont have any trust in their judicial system. They can claim that they have a rest of the killer, and that they posted his picture on the news. But i believe that those are just formalities. Therefore, judging by the situation at hand, i dont believe we will get justice because our enemy is our judge and killer. So how will we get our justice . Anyone who commits crimes against us, the bigger the crime, the more privileges they get. This is archie international next week, chronicle howard group of American Families<\/a> and the doctor is exposed to corporate cover up by where the","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia902706.us.archive.org\/15\/items\/RT_20230808_130000_News\/RT_20230808_130000_News.thumbs\/RT_20230808_130000_News_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240707T12:35:10+00:00"}