good bye and speeches, immortal memories, the coat, how the theme and our program today is no exception. we look at burns, i'm radical political thought. alex is joined by top burnsy and i'm also of scott's the mother tongue billy key to explain a little of why boned supper is a very special occasion. i know some of the great historical figures who fall in under the port sale. we then speak to a former n p for both country in air. sure, jim sellers, a far been politician for 1st labor and then the s and p for his view on impact of points on radical politics and scotland and internationally. but post to your tweets, you know, if i messages in response to i should last week with colonel wilkerson discussing, whether the late general cool and power was the best president america never had. and they built his knowledge of high former prime ministers. sir tony blair, pri, committed britain to stand with president bush and the about core. come what me, danny says in terms of great patience. america never had. i see bernie sanders too . although we'd probably like could be anathema to most with means the under privilege touch base, but hopefully come to realize the purpose of politics on government. john besset says, in terms of the storming for the capital there right there with the weapons of mass destruction, stage political theater to keep the masses distracted fuel. mccrae says, and lation colon po, he lots about weapons of mass destruction lost all respect from when he took that. i want to favor regret to seen it too. it's christopher response. yes, he publicly admitted his regret for this steep, roberson says, the best patent usa never had was bobby kennedy. william thorburn says, bernie sanders would have made a huge difference to the usc and finally travail warden says, we know that tony is still fighting unsuccessfully to save his reputation. now in the scottish parliament reconvened in 1999, the newly elected parliamentarians were and by the out of stock receives college and royalty, assembled a route to celebrate the kitchen. the highlights of the day was something quite different. it was quite a thing or she know wellington performing the bones anthem of universal equality and the brotherhood of man. let's take a look for it all on here in the theatre with diane sawyer. oh, i didn't get a i know that the food is that. so i need a what i'm going to be joined by the 1st of a broad, some short buttons. country really case got slime is come. pay them broadcast or play. you must of you want start opening of the scottish parliament. we'll just see machine to wellington. so yeah, i'm on a bus to give you for a sub job. and susie, as i'm going to see the scott slide image and buttons injected the ceremony, it was wonderful. and she was saying it was wonderful. the fact that everyone joined dan and you know, was been tossed it, but it should have been the most natural thing in the world that's going to be in the same model. that's the language that expressed of the majority of the population, the culture about history that we 3 for many centuries. a is a wonderful choice of soul, a radical soul that goes back to the 79. the swin bottoms was very aware that people would be insane the both the b radical opinions of that time europe hunter's hell. but he persisted and wrote radical souls. some things that were only published anonymously and use people. sometimes the were the one we published until after he died, the revolutionary a but he managed to survive it so it was is radical, it could be in that period. thank you. some constant. remember, this was a period when 20 years later of june, the, the of the friends of the people, the planting of the tree of liberty in the 1790 s. a few decades later, you had the 1820 even rule when they leave us again for radical reform. and 3 of the weavers were home for treason and sterling, beer cop is cetera. so this was a period of extreme suppression, but it was hard to what she's back, or he could be in deep, deep trouble or could even be tried for treason like the men on the 17 ninety's. how aware were the friends of the people campaign us? they had an ally, a been where it was, buttons on the, on the plan, comes with it in 20, you know, some quarter century after buttons. definitely. it was chanting buttons, lennox, as well as cutting banner, saying scotland fees a doesn't. how much was buttons part of the radical movement? it became quickly part of it after is after the state. so by 18. 20 definitely. 1790. it was a popular quit. but because he had to keep his radicalism component of the secret. having said that, he did, he was purported as having song, the french revolution of the song, say, euro in the cool, a increase when he also meet his, got an actress to read out the rights of women, which is a beautiful statement. radical statement for this period. while europe i fixed on mighty things that pete of empire in the fall of canes, well quacks of state, but each produced his plan and even children list the rights of mine. i missed my boss. just let me mention that i saw a woman merit some attention. so of course for his i clever poem and song, of course, in the sense extensively, this is robert bruce, the hero, king of scotland addressing has his army before the on the eve of the battle of bonnet. but in reality, the phrase is in it, which i call the cries of the friends of the people, the liberty of every blow, that sorta stuff, unless you reckon was consciously writing this as a, as a, as a rallying call for radicals. there's a lovely petition by ralph waldo emerson, the american writer, the confessions about the declaration of independence, the rights of mine, i must say, yes or no more weighty documents in the history of freedom than the songs of buttons. so that, for example, that's not high, they're probably not true when texas, who is up against it's mexican overlords. the proclamations had the war now was the d and knows the ira which one's to from blend hobbies, wallace going back to the 14th and 15th century. so it's a radical statement going by a very, very, very many centuries. bombs themselves said that the story of wallace called the scottish prejudice and my beans, which will boil along be up till the flood gates of life shot in a tab no less. and again, that was all missed reasonable about. so let's look at their defenders of the alamo in the story that they were, they were saying to taki, isn't the music of, of course raises true. i mean, i didn't see that in the john wayne foam. i'm in the well the, well, the really, the scottish nationalist, defending the walls of the alamo will, who are a number of school. it's not the alamo and they would have been a, we're all done separately. but that's a fascinating story. of course, we, the tune is a pain tune that goes back to the days of robot bruce. and it was used at the siege of all your. i got the crusade to court dubois, the personal bodyguard of the french kings, and june of art when the liberated that the city of orleans during the old alliance . and to this d, that shoots course where he is a french military match. and his cold mass, the so that there robert bruce or the mask eap prolong clean cream filed is yet to sell hourly or the mask lead in the occasion of june of ox triumphal entry into orleans. so it's a french military march. you can hear and barely was his robe roy. and later barnes chose that tune because of the it's great association to write the ones of course we each so linking bonnet, bomb, joan of alcohol, or lisa residences for history. but when he was capturing these salts and setting them to, to was like of scots were, he, i mean, again, was as a deliberate actor was, you know, the, the point to say, well, that square a suitable shooting for my sentiments. you know, how much was buttons consciously, a combining these things so much of the heading hand of buttons behind these a fatherly historical accident. it was a highly educated mine, thirty's, and he was steeped in scottish tradition and scotty for clor. a good example when he wrote old lying science, one of the veterans he collected boys from saw them spin, going back a couple of centuries and it was for o, blindsided mature for all lang, saying will pack a walk to malaga for old lang site repairing to molly, go way, way back to the 16th century. so he was very, very conscious. a because of that too. i think the acres, the ha, don't through the ages and don't through into other countries. is fascinating. where you have people i g. d. salinger in america with his novel cancer in that i based on a album. so you get stain bag of mason men. a title based on the baseline schemes are mason been gun after glee. so it was someone who penetrated the life of the people in america. for example. abraham lincoln could quote, creeds of buns off by heart. but he go it through. i scored his friend of his. and he once memorably said that he wouldn't do the immortal memory in chicago because he could add nothing to the eloquence of robot bonds. and that's from one of the auditors in world history. and then the other political, she, me of go to russia. the popularity of buns during the soviet period is quite obvious. and he was promoted for these radical ideas. but his popularity was by far little not letterman talk translated some buttons, pushkin translated the scores ballads. so there was an interest in sports and scottish culture, and it was a man called samuel marcia, who translated buns, brilliant lakes that made him very, very popular in russia so much so that the 1st country ever to clean a stamp of buttons was the soviet union in 1957. so we sent a buttons a slot in from moscow to michigan. we're not to exactly think of. so how do you think robert buttons might to this trouble world, provide the points of unity and these times? well, i think we, i, school and global citizens should be reminding us ourselves, all his international brotherhood and especially old scores where he, that it really is time for about democracy that it comes to scotland. and for us to take more for the independence, i'm sure he supported a with a debt, so we saw back in the 7090. so i think these are important a commemorations that we should remember about buns for today. and finally about of many buttons suffer. so many locations, do you have a favorite quotation on a favorite instance that you'd like to tailor international audience about of only the world's point? well, i recall i spent a you traveling around the world and day one of them is bizarre. gonzagos was in a malea in the island of canine. in a fisherman's hot, we're my allan, i from coma half a go. okay. mo whiskey we brought to play in believe scotland and we drank. and i recited thomas and he so ye for in case. and we had an australian victim, we just saw in a still even the corner and gave him our a button. so call me for your saliva. but coming back to our minds of mine for that, you just kind of get the final best of mine for what the latest 3 that comment me as comment well for or that that sense and was lower or the actual be of the get a, you know, not but all that and or that that's come and get, but that mind the mind, the world i shall brother speech thought so, but i came here, we started with the rights of women and were from a some of the brotherhood of mine. thank you so much for joining me, alex. i will show on this button season the best or the best join us after the break, when alex is joined by the former m p for both contin size there. sure, jim saelens was he then and so now for the past couple of decades, the solution was i was print more money now that the money printing is causing real inflation and exacerbating all the problems that solution is only going to make the problem worse. but of course, that's what they'll do. that's what the lease will do. that's what they plan to do . any inconvenience that falls them, they will answer well, we need to print more money for it. more money and the food will get in the shorter supply and workers will disappear and the situation get worse and worse because it doesn't have money printing never work. there may, may, we should all be may or may, we should all be angry or what's going on. right. can't understand. i screwed up. i understand the role that slavery played. he's already a very formal institution. by the time united states became a nation, it actually to find the nation, the rise of capitalism clearly on the backs of flight and the slave down if you had investigated lynchings. any great extent, give believe me, country and my country still stands in brick. i'm from the south. everybody know, know what they're saying. to some extent, i would argue that we're still fighting the civil war and the south is winning. welcome back. and i special celebration of the life and where it says scotlands national bi drop. it binds weed, examining the impact of bones on radical political thought. alec speaks to form a labor, i'm the s and p and p jim sellers, as i would come to the the 2nd of a brawl on some innocent ansel of sa. well, mostly the victim of the famous governed by election in the late 19 eighties, but before that a label and p for so fisher, i'm quite interested the gym. so as in the seventy's as a label i m p for sophia. so we're kind of like the custodian of the political buttons tradition with them. people said right what of the above supper. so let's get the m p for so feel shannon. no, i don't think i personally i c n p for sophia was the custodian. in fact, the custodian was john pollock, your major figure in the air. sure. socialist movement done and didn't the scottish socialist movement, but as m. p for so fisher, you know, i didn't become in be for socio show, you know, parachuted n i was born. and here i militia best. and if she is steep and robert bunch and the importance of the m. p for so fear shark, the n b for so here shows the n p for here we're automatically trustees, all burns cottage will, bows was bomb. right? not been told fairly recent times. and that was our responsibility that i to seriously and to be fair, george younger who was a tory and p for it too seriously as well. we attended every meeting and made our contribution to maintaining the bottoms cottage and wonders monument char, extremely important and cultural life. oh my home county, and tried to find my nationalist at all. i'm in the ocean nationalist and that's because it still has to be quite interesting when george younger say to state for scotland, conservative i call in and scotland and yourself as a firebrand label member of parliament that when did you have any political tussles about bubbles? it was where you flee quotations each other or the just go on with the business of, of making sure that all away cottage was being properly. it preserved and presented as it come to. some people seem very strange, but you know, tories and scotland can embrace buttons as well as socialist light. me, no number of sources, friends who think this is a great puzzle. but of course one who is a minor many parents as well. and it's definitely possible if you are a tory not to buy into some of the things that he said, but not alleged by angela. things that he said. and also of course, leaving a say just from the 2nd is political philosophy or in the man was a genius as our poet. and in so writing and in story tell him such as dumb rashonta. so it's quite easy for a tory to buy empty ones. the same as for somebody on the left. so i pace us right into buttons, his political impact and scotland over the last 2 centuries and mayor. it bonds has been claimed successively for the empire, lynn, for the label movement, scotland and then from scottish nationalist and scotland. it is that because bonds are so sir, man of parents all. is that because that so we learn more about la la messages behind buttons is poetry from the information on the we're greet strands and story society punting the idea of egalitarianism. what ones debt was it brought all li strands together in my view and created a doctrine of egalitarianism. if you look at the poem, my was me to more. when he says and i just wanted to to quarter. what he designs on your lordly slate, by nature's law designed, why he was an independent wash in planted, and my mind. and of course, there are other poems where this peretti clear is david die. he said, when introducing a major watts of buttons that he was a rebel against the social order that exist at that time. but assess consolidation of all those strands of egalitarianism that had made buttons command and continued to command the story psyche and how sympathy with wealth. having dammit, the toting scott's foil the 20th century, he was fucking waspish about, buttons suppers, attacking the suppers with the privilege of gallant together, had an evening of buttons, songs and, and radicalism, and then went off to exploit le, the what? cuz as it did for the other 364 days of the, of the, of any sympathy him of mcdermott's condemnation. now i know that you hired them. it was quite right. others went along high tories from supper and then go and enjoy what i never experienced on my part of it. and how about the other context and lend abum supper that many button suppers on me and lonely? now? i think we can agree that and robert buttons have been organizing a button supper and that would be no chance whatsoever. that would have been man only. yes, yes, i noticed one of the papers this week that the feminist movement has to have a good buttons for has misogynist ideas and, and, and practices. and robbie barnes was not a paragon of virtue. i mean, one sofa was, isaac ended and spoken had been made very clear. the old ones had virtues and buttons had racist. i'm an enemy who wants to go, go, go at robert bunch to attend on the statues and all the rest of it. i would advise him to read the echo dot now read it t as 0. my news judgment clear. can others teach the course to steer yet runs himself? lives might korea way old as the we've hear poets and go through a starting tia 10 degrees. you know, well this louise, i struggled buttons with all these contradictions. and yet not mine. higher d, social and political philosophy that is relevant to day and forms opinions to day and keeps opinions to day in scotland as who he was talking yesterday. a final i'm so less cast button until nationally and tampa. how would you assess buttons is impact tessa romantic point based impact on the political thinking in the what older people have got to be in made that bunch was part of the scottish enlightenment. it doesn't stand apart from that. he was part of who's going to enlightenment. and i was recently reading a book on the founding fathers of the united states constitution. you're the great debate over federal pick ups which involve carlton madison, and someone else of whose name at the moment i forget. but madison is called the father of the u. s. constitution. i'm the scottish enlightenment wasn't just view enlightenment. it was the scottish enlightenment, which had the greatest influence on them. and that included the walks of robert bunch goes as a contradiction there. how could you invade the egalitarianism of robert bonds? if you are james madison? well, being a slave one of the same time as every one of these contradictions and hester let a very difficult for generation to come to kansas, but buns had an enormous influence. and later on i think one of the greatest influence he had was on abraham lincoln in flight done. missus. lincoln green, even lincoln in mrs. lincoln intended, after he dimensions the presidency to come to india and visit buttons, cottage, missus lincoln managed, and of course, abe lincoln couldn't manage it with him. so as her from all the, the button suppers of all the, the buttons, collections and poetry and songs. the other of any favorite of your own? yes. it's on a national victory. no, we're be celebrated. and buns, retort was you happy catch? alisha. thanks tim. um domain and d gone thanks. disaster for shame. mercy ne fuller. god won't d, thanks for monday. so jim saw us, but them brawl odd with the his ones which are opposite to today as the well 200 years ago. and man, thank you so much for joining again, i'm alex almond. you. well, i'm very glad to be here, alec, and oh, it forwards it, dave, when you and i stand in the steps of the scottish parliament, and if it's no, she know how self somebody else sings that song that opened the scottish parliament in 1999. this time for independence to so if i can get given that bob dylan has say to drug brands in general, and my love is like a very, very tooth in particular. i said, major artistic inspiration, the scots, by states as a romantic port is beyond question. however, it was his last port should kit lincoln and frederick douglas are more recently civil rights activists. maya angelou steadfast on their course are still friends with space on soviet stubs or inspired steinbeck to describe the struggles of the common man. it was bred the position which lima co body has described as the poet laureate of the radical enlightenment and with brands as opposed to champion of liberty and the quality which has captured the radical imagination for 1200 years, add mirror and established robert burns. i to friend of the people a support himself pet. the rank is but the guinea stamp demands the gate but all that. and what better way to play faith than sketches, thing or ryan, by performing one of his name a ah. a chance all down through here, new column is the larry over here. so your camps are always a little nicer than this. this is evidence of absolute poverty, despair. people in our city and other cities all across america are living like this. we're at the original need and village that opened up in 2018. and right now there's 31 homes on the property. it's a little over 4 acres with 31 homes and a community center. unfortunately, a lot of people don't make it out of edition more homelessness alive, and i'm just really happy. it made it bad you with with straight to anger ropes in paris this thursday with barricades clashes and dozens, all i read says thousands of people, including students on public sector workers rally over storing costs, unfolding, living standards. all so i had rushes foreign minister essays, the u. s. has failed to address multiple goes concerns about nato ex.