For again, i get to the terrible events in the, in the channel in the bus to a few days. Do you as a full mismatch . Were about to see the, the, an attitude to migration echoes of it in the so called war on drugs that we man heroin and weve hand the cocaine and expect the arrow and go game to never come to the European Union. I mean, absolutely. You can start with a prohibition or im in the twenties and thirties in north america. When you have a need on one side and a need on the other side and you put a barrier in between, you create an underground market that happened for alcohol. Happens for drugs and it happens for migration because all you know, immigration welcoming states have millions of employers who want to employ these migrants, often exploiting them. And these are unacknowledged labor needs. We hear our politicians say that we dont want, you know, low wage migraines because theyre going to reduce the, the average wage in our country, or theyre going to bring poverty, et cetera. But in find employers or asian way them in all the economic sectors that are not deluca dental gleiss, of all agriculture, construction fisheries extraction care, et cetera, hospitality. So these people are em and they know that no one dies of hunger really in canada, in the u. K in europe, so they will have a job. And if they have a job, its because theres a job market for them. Not acknowledging that, and preventing them from coming actually creates a market for all those smugglers were explaining them. There was no smuggling in europe during the shingle area between lets say, italy and france for almost 20 years until to 3 years ago. France this, that to stop people have been to media and suddenly the food pass in the us where we discovered by smugness. So smuggling migrant smuggling is a policy induce activity and criminal activity. So that seems to suggest british politicians, a recruitment charging for human traffic is that theyre always criticizing. Lets get, lets get to the channel. We were just talking about 24 year old maria murray trying to reunite their fiance here in britain, in iraqi women across britain bombed iraq of the labor party is just to point to people in to positions of the shadow cabinet are supportive. That war, 27 dead was it. Manslaughter stays are certainly responsive. States like european states immigration welcoming states. And that includes militia in south africa and brazil. Its not a global issue. Its all well immigration, welcoming states are responsible for those deaths in deserts and mountain passes. In the, at sea weve seen whats happening in the mediterranean or the past 10 years. And its happening, you know, from the routing jobs, its happening everywhere. They are responsible because they know that these people will come and they know that their policies are preventing them to come and are offering the smugglers an opportunity to make money without taking risks. And they know how to reduce that. Been in the fifties and sixties and early seventies. No one died in the mediterranean to take an example, because people could get visa very quickly and could buy ferry tickets. There is no need, and yet millions of people crossed the mediterranean millions of people from Central America into the us, and millions of people from the caribbean and the the sub continent. To bridget, no one died. There was no need for that because you could, you could be mobile and states know that reinstating mobility taking over the Mobility Market from the smugglers by providing these us and this has to be done gradually. You dont want to, you know, flood the country, but you have to do that gradually and have an objective of making mobility faster, cheaper, safer for everyone. Or is it because European Union countries now know they were involved in was that they no one to approach this object . The way you just described that . I mean, ive some of the people that die the kurdish men and women from syria to males from yemen to males from a rock. Do you think come countries like britain should have to institute those kinds of policies you just mentioned before they bomb syria before they bomb iraq before they sell arms to saudi arabia to bomb yemen . Yeah, the question of responsibility for past action is so that i, i dont touch what im interested in. Are the migrants themselves. If we look at what happens in germany, in 2015 mangin, america decided to keep the boarders open. She welcomed almost a 1000000 people. She got the flag sheet, there was a political reaction over the next few years. When do you hear today . These people are integrated . Their children, a speaking german like natives . Wheres the problem . And, and there was an uptake in the, the german g, d p over the next 2 years, a one percent one percent of their german g, d, b is a lot of millions of dollars of euros. And so where is the problem when you need is to recognize that mobility is actually a development factor, even for immigration, low low of countries, and organize it, manage it, take control of it by opening progressively more and more visas for people looking for work. But for that, you need to know that you have labor needs in those categories. And for that, you need to have politicians who have the political will to change something and to especially do Strategic Planning of that mobility over the next 20102030 years like we do for all other economic sectors, infrastructure, energy, food security, we plan long term mobility never, its always reactive. Why . Because for loss politician having a permanent crisis is actually beneficial. Well, im going and angler Merkel Johnson germany also bade off turkey to take a lot of refugees as well. At wagons we could get up. I had that, you said, as political expediency here, birth johnsons, a bonus, equity, pretty battelle said, we are not working just to end these crossings because we dont care. And were heartless, the United Kingdom as a clear and generous, humane approach to Asylum Seekers and refugees. What would you make of that . And of course thats in the context of witnesses saying they saw jets. Hes practicing on the south goat coast deterring a ding ease in the channel. And a report denied by the johnson government of putting up a wave. Machines are to stop doing is getting to getting to britain and plans to just or send them to disuse. Platt, royal platforms in the north sea or, or send them to ascension islanders fleeing. That was britain has been involved in yes, britain is, is doing things that greece has been doing with your approval of the you on its on its eastern coast with turkey and that many other countries are doing what, what has been done in the past few years. The american Mexican Border is not much better either. So all these things are risk, you know, are killing people or, or hurting them, at least when, if governments were serious about helping these people, there are techniques that exist that have been proven workable. For example, communities, sponsoring of refugees. If you ask groups of british like groups of canadians to sponsor a refugee family, you will have an outpouring of volunteers in canada. They could not imagine. They could not manage the outpouring of volunteers. The advantage of Something Like that is that it changes the perception of canadians. It changed the perception of canadians towards refugees because that those were canadians welcoming refugees being responsible for their integration. And therefore having, having some beef in the discussion they would, they had, they had political interest in the refugee sponsorship working to which of course, after the 20 crisis, people will say one in, for children in this country are in poverty. The food banks lines are right beside the studio. I just want to quickly get though, to the fact that once as those seeking asylum arrive in this country, the numbers who have been dying in by so many privatized facilities has. Its nearly a 100 dead since 2016. Weve covered the manic ling of pregnant women. And now a whistleblower is come forward talking about to to actually to maybe see about g for s or a run site of abuse of those seeking asylum. What about what happens to migrant go migrants when they arrive in European Union countries in their treatment . Well, what ive seen when i was such a rough worker, i visited probably 80 to 90 Detention Center throughout europe and, and, and elsewhere. And, and, you know, theres no invest in those facilities unless there are purpose builds and then they become like maximum security Detention Centers. And there is the tension of children almost everywhere ive seen when the committee, the un committee on the rights of children, the rest of the child says that detention of children for migration purposes can never ever be in their best interest. Ive seen that everywhere. So the u. K is doing badly. Okay, but thats not true. Of many other countries are politicians do not care about migrants because migrants do not vote what they are doing is managing their electorate and managing their electric through. Ready immigration policies means that these immigration policies are made by non migrants for non migrants, the electorate, and theyre not aimed at migrate. So politicians actually do not care about what migrants do in the country. And it seems like we have mobilized the bull electorate who, which is empty immigration, which is very happy that we detain and support all the time, including children, including pregnant women. And thats what our politicians are doing. And we can blame them. We have the best system weve ever invented to govern ourselves electoral democracy and they respond to the electoral pressure. And the electoral pressure is not come from people who are pro immigration from missouri to thank you. My pleasure. After the break, as the Un General Assembly discusses palestine, is the time for talking in resolutions over we ask the you and roger and human rights in the palestinian territories. If solidarity is no longer enough in the face of ever increasing settlements and surveillance, all of them all coming up in thought to have going on. No one else seemed wrong when all through. 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The owner, without that vehicle it will still be stuck with these odd to do i also use with welcome back morris johnsons u. K. Government chose the International Day of solidarity with the Palestinian People to announce its new packed with israel today. As we approach christmas, its narrative based in palestine, the Un General Assembly debates the ongoing conflict, while the u. K. U. S. A and e u pool weapons into his really hands and its continuing violence in the legal settlements. Joining me now from ontario in canada is professor micheal link the u. N. Special repertoire for the human rights situation in the palestinian territories. Thank you so much. So much robideau for coming on. As i said, britain has announced a huge pact that spanning Cyber Security lead loan trade with israel just to update us on know whether, despite britain saying they do have some concerns about settler violence, the weather, the situation of budget, chris was getting much better actually in the territories, this occupation is getting deeper and it has for, for years. And theres really been no change with the arrival. And you Israeli Government, which came into power in gym. So these continuing military agreements with israel on only one of giving israel much more confidence that the world is not going to Pay Attention or any meaningful attention to the fact that it is, its occupation is now becoming indistinguishable from annexation. Remember that there are already almost 300. 00 settlements in the occupied territories. Truism and, and the west bank are almost 700000 a center is which is the growth of more than 200000 sectors from 20 years ago. And the current Israeli Government has proclaimed that it doesnt even believe in a 2 state solution. So when it winds up signing these important military paths with, with the united states, with Great Britain and, and with europe, it only needs to be continuing to be extensively armed. And most of those arms are really being looked at in terms of maintaining a rebellious population of 5000000 people who dont want to remain under occupation. What so an agreement like that does as condemnation. I think the call now should be an end to military agreements and military sales to israel until it fully and finally ends the occupation. You cant go around separating decisions with respect to the Israeli Government and with respect to with 54 year old occupation. The creation of the settlements, the maintenance of the, of the occupation and the development of defacto annexation is the largest single project in israel, 73 year old history. So as long as youre continuing to trade with is your particular with respect to military arms, youre only enabling israel to deepen that deep in that occupation which the world itself, including western countries, has said, you know, is it should be and it should be entered as soon as possible, yet theyve taken no meaningful steps to being able to do that and, and selling arms to israel, only exhilarates the opposite. Well, we invite a bar as johnson Government Official do talk about how proud they are of the agreement. In contrast to what that you are saying, we had obey him, obey the from the by san center, a humanitarian and geo. On the show. Recently, amidst the designation of 6 n g, as in palestine as terrorists, this comes actually as a, as the British Government has decided to ban the democratically elected government that they were democratically elected governor of gaza, hamas and whats going on as regards the batting of human rights organizations of Political Parties by not only a israel, which because it is those groups are as a but by European Union entities let that youve asked 2 questions. Theyre let me take them side by side. First of all, with respect to the 6 palestinian organizations, these are among the leading human rights and humanitarian organizations in palestinian society. They, many of them have constituted status with united nations. Some of them have one International Human rights awards for their, for their advocacy. The israel has been, has been attempting for some time to persuade European Countries, which are the primary funders of the, of the work of these organizations that they are in de terrorist organizations that theyre tied to in an organization in the occupied territory. The p f l p, the popular fulfill liberation of palestine, which is designated as a panelist as a terrorist organization. Certainly when israel presented its evidence in the spring to European Countries, that the result of the consequence was the European Countries saying theres, theres no evidence here. Theres nothing persuasive that israel has, has given us that makes us think we should be re a stopping or reconsidering the funding that we give to these organizations. Israel is now up the anti by, by proclaiming these organizations in late, october and early november to be terrorist organizations, and therefore unlawful. And they presented their dorsey again to the europeans and to the americans. And what we know from these dossiers, its been leak publicly, is again that there is nothing persuasive as it is in the middle of november. The attrition for Foreign Affairs with the European Union and said we, ive been presented with nothing that persuades me that we ought to change our attitude towards these organizations or post or convince me that these organizations do have back of ties to a terrorist organization. So to get you right to the Israeli Government as well in your position is rota. I have, i have the number, any reply. No, listen i, when i write i ordinarily write with a number other special rapid tours on to these ready governments. Sometimes they reply not to me, but to the others, but what we sent to these really government has not been answered. And certainly our public statements have not been challenged by, by israel either with respect to this or, you know, its one can only surmise that israel is, is worried. Among other things that some of these organizations are among the most effective, gathers of evidence and arguments. Going to the International Criminal court in the hague. And that is 11 strong motivation, more motivating, reason for israel to one of see if they can, wanted to further shrink the Space Available for democratic criticism of israels Human Rights Violations in the occupied palestinian territory. Well, as israel says that theyre all terrorists, you know, it doesnt, doesnt matter if you the agriculture committees, the womens policy, the womens committee. So back to this British Government decision, pretty patel. Those extra here, controversially saying today ive taken action to prescribe hamas in its entirety. The government is committed detecting extremism and terrorism wherever, because hm us has significant terrorist capability getting access to extensive sophisticated weaponry. What will it mean for britain that it is banned . One of the Major Political groups in palestine. Here i understood that took place last week at the hamas was prescribed under the terrorism act of United Kingdom. I gather that means that its forbidden, under british long to be a member of hamas to express support from us to arrange even a private meeting with a mass and all of which could draw a prison sentence for up to 1414 years. Lets be clear, certainly in my view him, us has committed terrorist actions. It is fired rockets and rockets indiscriminately into the, into civilian areas in israel. And it is presently been masticated work crimes by the International Criminal court. But having said that, one has to look at the landscape of israeli and palestinian politics and want us to acknowledge that the mass is a Major Political force in palestinian society. And its the de facto ruler with respect to, to guys a. I think there are several things wrong with the, with a british decision. First of all, it ignores this significant role that hamas plays in palestinian politics. Were not to be able to find a piece or route to an ending the occupation and realizing palestinian Self Determination without having him us at the, at the table. No matter how old is some of his acts may have been. Second of all, i think it was of ignoring israels very troublesome human rights record with respect to its conductivity of the occupation and if Human Rights Violations. And it, too, is also being investigated for war crimes by the international, by the prosecutor of the International Criminal court. The 3rd, you know, the most important thing is, i think, is just common sense. You make peace with your enemies. You wouldnt have had in britain a work of old durable, good friday agreement with whatever its flaws were for the past 23 years without bringing the i r a to the political table and involving it in the political process. I dont think theres anything qualitatively different with respect to involving hm us at the political table with respect to israeli and palestinian negotiations for a final and just a solution to the situation there. As special ravager, i presume you are able to talk to these of us politicians that additions here on not i presume what they said to you . Well, did a given the britain is arming israel to, to, to mom syria in the bus few days, let alone its actions in the occupied territories . Britain becomes a legitimate target. Well, no, nobody should be a legitimate target. Now what did they say to you and what is, what are you in touch with . Hm. Us, are you allowed to be in touch with us of the land of in a plane in britain . Ive not been in touch with the mass. You know, im my, my context right now are, are with the Palestinian Authority and with austin and civil society. So be like i view hamas from that from the outside. I dont have any formal contacts with them. But i know enough with respect to the, the nature and occurrence of palestinian politics to know what a significant force they were. Youre right with respect to the last democratic elections that were held in 2006 in palestine. They won what Job International servers said was a free and Fair Election and were ready to pick a stores to take rains with respect to governing the palestinian institutions when a world wide boycott was imposed on them. And that in that process, one of collapsing with the world now recognizing the Palestinian Authority in the west bank, but not recognizing a mass in the gaza strip. But as i said, you cannot if you have division among palestinian society, put em, its political figures. Youre not going to knit that back together to be able to form an effect of Political Force to negotiate with israel, unless you recognize a mass in the same way that britain recognize the i r a and brought them into the puzzle process. Now i know the en, eh, so group which created the Pegasus Software associated and linked with the assassination of a washing to post Jonas Demarco Shoji and in turkey denies any wrong doing. Apple is suing them there in israeli manufacturer. What is the role of surveillance and Washington Post talking now about greece. Facial recognition, using the occupied territories of surveillance, now used against palestinians as we approach christmas. And people know them to the story of the roman empire occupation of the palestinian territories. What, what is, what disturbs you about the surveillance . Of course, you know, i think in any society where there is surveillance, its either its either encouraging authoritarian government or its encouraging those liberal tendencies within a democratic government. These, the surveillance techniques should have the most restricted process possible put upon them to ensure theyre not misused, you know, for israel and the palestinians. The palestinians of long said were in a laboratory for all of these israeli army manufacturers and cybersecurity firms and facial recognition companies. When they go out and sell their arms or their technology to the world to Police Forces to security agencies. We have been the guinea pigs with respect to the development of these. So facial security Recognition Technology has been used to try to be able to maintain even like an enhanced surveillance over the or the occupy population in order to ensure that israel has, i suppose, Early Warning signals with respect to possibilities of rebellion or reaction to the harshness of the, of the occupation. So when these are sold worldwide, you know, most, most Police Agencies or for security agencies arent recognizing the palestinian fingerprints, which are all over the facial security recognition. And how its been developed in order to be able to keep a population of 5000000. 00 states people are under subjugation special. Thank you. My pleasure. Thats over the show will be back on saturday. 52 years to the day of the de facto us state merger marks is lenin, is black panther, fred hampton. Until then, keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think International Law is fit for purpose when it comes to palestine. Blue and blue or drunk started as a way to combat a gray problem. Whats the warranty . Its part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota. Its got to be something that you could get elected. This time the fight against drugs took it and try and checked. He told us that andrew was a confidential informant. This is way too dangerous for him to be doing. Clearly they put him in harms way. A Rural College student doesnt just get shot in the head and found in the river like that Something Else had to be happening. Ah. That breaking toil forced labor stress. Industrial injury corporal punishment. Which was which were all familiar. 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