Ah driven by adrian shaped by those in me dares thing. We dare to ask me. Ah ah ah. Hello and welcome across top were all things considered on Peter Lavelle in the us. Democrats talk endlessly about the so called january 6 insurrection. They were less concerned with the real possibility, general mark, milly, when, constitutionally broke. Also, the art of stabbing, an ally in the back, france is furious. Me to discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guess, glenn, these and, and also he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as the author of the new book. Great power politics in the 4th industrial revolution. And who depends. We have george semi welly, hes a counselor at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. Are a Gentleman Cross off rules, and that means he can jump at anytime you want. And i always appreciate it. Oh, its going to george, 1st thing, budapest, george. You know the if you, if you look at the liberal media in the us, there continue to be obsessed with january 6. Even on the 20th Anniversary Commemoration of 911. 00. They had to poll january, thinks into it, and then over the last week we have a story about the joint chief of staff, general mark, milly, according to news reports, we have that have them confirmed, and we know the general be speaking in front of congress before the end of the month, but instead of saying, oh my goodness, what a breach of the constitution of norms coming from such people, there seems to be scant really interest in it. I mean, when he did it because hes a patriot. Well, since when breaking the laws patriotic. Yes, this is entirely correct, and were already used to be around the, during the, from years we had 4 years of the intelligence services actively working to subvert the administration. All duly elected president. And this is what we have in the case of general milly. I mean, lets keep in mind his 1st, according to the woodward book, i mean, his 1st Meeting or conference with the chinese took place on october. The 3rd before the election is before the election. He give them a warning and says, well, i think trump may want to attack you, you know, even when you play a womens and i, the chairman of the joint chiefs will into seed and give you advanced warning. So this is an extraordinary thing. Imagine youre going to address, there is a great power and youre telling this great power that you will come to mom, any orders given by your president. And this is, it was shocking. And then there are further shocking revelation. Remember, we had the previous book in which milly was supposedly worried about a coo, organized by trump. And he said, wow, dont worry about a thing, you know, where the guys with the guns which suggest again that hes the military is planning on using guns against you like the present. And it was, this was all a complete fraud. He was just simply an accumulation of power, use a basin of power on the other. Milly. I mean compet given no indication that hes going outside the constitution going beyond his power. You know, hes gone to court on everything. Some cases. Hes won some cases. Hes law, but hes always expected every decision of the court. Everything you did also the lecture was again, entirely in accordance with the law and the constitution. In apparently one of the phone calls, the general mentally tells his counterpart of generally i think his name is, is that there is no political instability. Him, you want us to say something about like mean do you believe that there is instability here for a general to be doing that out of the chain of command is breathtaking. Really. Scary. Ok, glen, i mean, you know, weve seen a deterioration of the rule of law for political purposes in the name of an ideology. George is absolutely right. You could lover hate donald trump. There is never been any indication that he wanted to study a start a war anytime, anytime during his administration. And we know because of the poorly served president by john bolton, and he had a golden Opportunity Am in like a 90 Minute Window to start a war with iran. And he, he stepped back and he was political capital for doing it. So, i mean, it shows that, you know, these institutions have very little value if youre ideologically possessed. Thats what it tells me, go ahead plan. No, i agree. And i think that this a great fair enough trunk would undermine democracy. Fuel this uterus system, which itself became a threat to democracy for me. Rosen on them institutions. Its a large expense, the result of what they refer the theyve now usually people are a person indeed. Been at the very something theyre right winger and bring up all over. Did they simply means that you have an almost like a bureaucrats on the like the military leaders supposed to be an instrument of elective obligations. But instead, the beginning them to function to some extent of the independent Graduate Power and pursuing their own agenda, which can be ideological. And in this case, often linked closer to the democratic side. And what i was going to call, im in general, mainly called china general elite sounds shang, behind the president back gave him a warnings that promised him. And i was warned if they would use military force. I mean, this is quite extraordinary banding civilian control over the military. And also the 1st case, again, george was right. The bearing a trump areas saw military leaders in the bragging going to the media that they were able to subvert civilian leaders. And by making well, by rejecting, were saying that they didnt want to carry out trans orders and the leak, the whole is call Space Charge undermined him undermined in time after time. And, you know, general mill, it pointed out its, you know, those expressed the belief that russia was the real, theyre not china. So thats kind of his foreign policy and he is running with it. So its in glenn if, if, according to general, Lily Russia was the primary Adversary And Weve been out of things. Why didnt you call the russians . I think is a point out. This is not just the case. The one about an indication that it is a stomach because you can see, based on the reaction and how the democrats react to the small, nothing by them below say they seem to be quite fine with how really active and erosion of the control the military. So im glad you brought up george. This is just not nilly. I mean, this is an unelected official that works in the executive Branch Looting when the speaker of the house. Now this is what is called a conspiracy. Ok . A real one. Ok, inspiring. Going around the chain of command, so burning the rule of law and burning the traditional Value Principle that the military serves the civilian order. George yeah, yeah, thats right and wrong, but i mean below state is in the legislative branch. Shes clearly not in the chain of the bomb and shes a highly partisan. This is here, but this is, this is so she has a very much a political agenda and mentally those perfectly well that she has a political agenda. So when he starts talking to her on the phone, she tells him, well, ignore the orders of the president and then they, they dressed it up in some phony. So were concerned that he might use nuclear weapons to total nonsense, but eventually what is going on here . General the joint chiefs, hes colluding with a highly partisan legislator to disobey combines they, did you like the president is absolutely shocking as though you only you measure be to that you will be testifying before congress and we know whats going to happen and the democrats will run interference for him. You know, theyll all be asking him the usual questions. You know, general malay, you know, you are a patriot. Why did you feel when somebody like donald trump came along and started undermining the constitution . What youre feeling when you thats, thats not going to be and so Glen Glen is right to me. You have the democrats will just perfectly happy with this. And it is really quite a shopping face. It was even more shocking here. Is that according to milly and well, we know other people are involved if this reporting is true, we have to have that can be on its very important can be on here. But, you know, trump was criticized endlessly for trying to end wars, and now hes being, being accused of starting a potential war. I mean, he Cant Win for losing this one here. And im glad that george brought up. What we could potentially see is congressional testimony. I think we know what the democrats script is going to be in liberal media. Theyve already shown their carts here, but i have a lot of doubt that republicans will be particularly aggressive because the 2 words that you already mentioned in our program, the deep state or the administrative state of the permanent state, whatever you want to call and ok. Because it shows that the, these elected officials either are very dependent on, or you even fear be in the military and the intelligence community. What we have here is we have an inversion of what the power relations should be. Go ahead plan there. Remember us. Yeah, about a year ago, schumer or in the 2018 or 19 you had the Schumer And Janet from if you go against the Intelligence Agency, they have many way of getting back at you and you know, i didnt see anything wrong with this statement. They can act doesnt limit and then power, but again, this is what happens when you have other polarized. So this is the political system. You know, if you consider the political position to be illegitimate, then theres an, except for this new centers of power, effectively Intelligence Age is the military to the couple of it from this was deemed to be the legitimate civilian control. And a effectively accept that part of the resistance to counter the president. So again, i would agree to its a bit ironic that the accused him of trying to start a war with china, which, you know, there was no indication they shouldve mentioned this before calling the chinese 1st but, but the way they really around the obstruction against trauma was when he wanted to pull out from syria, what he wanted to pull out from a gun is done. It was his effort to stop this war when they really went in to get him to block him. So its, its a very, its a very dangerous development which is not in the us benefits from, i mean, and i thought it was great that and brought in the comparison with the rush to get years. Because this was the same. You have the Intelligence Agencies in the, in the branch of power effectively, deliberately spinning different formation that undermining their own precedent because they get part of this. They didnt agree with this policy. And how else can you define this in a deep state if you have on the bureaucrats like the Security Age of this one, run in procedure on foreign policy. Its worse for its, you know, you know, for free for years and, you know, anonymous, anonymous source, whoever that is, you know, ran the new cycle. And then you have to prominent not particularly virtuous people in my opinion, but prominent journalists, laying out their sources in their and their findings here. And a few people just kind of scratch their head. And then you know what, what, Whats Tomorrow is whether going to be, i mean its, theres them in the face. They do not want to come to terms of that and what the, and any president that comes next or even the current city. Now, how much competence they have, the military is going to be following them. You dont have that competence finish. George said, i knew they really shouldnt have gotten it because the democrats may say, oh, great when you know weve got the, the military on our side, you may not have it because, you know, you know, who takes chairman of the joint chiefs, you may not like the democrats, well, is there any clearly feel direly unencumbered by any constitutional inhibition to it . I mean, we, we talk about russia again, well, i didnt like his policy towards russia, so ill take a little jump in here. What goes around comes around, all right, were going to go to a short break, and after that short break, well continue one session and some really stay with the the, the me welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. This is the Home Addition to remind you were discussing some real names. Ah, ah, okay, lets go back to glen and also the french are kind of upset right now, and i think this is vanessa statement. Here we, we have the united states, u. K. And australia, inventing a new i dont know what you call it alliance with, but really official. It is essentially its a P R Campaign at this point. That is, everyone knows that is focused against china. But in the process, a major Submarine Deal that the french were counting on went up in smoke without them apparently being notified. And of course the u. S. And the, and the u. K. Come in and fill the void. What does this say about Nato Unit B . Because and, but, you know, why do you feel if youre the australia and they said to him, harry, b, u, k, you know, doing up ending one of the important allies, friends . Mean, wouldnt you think . Maybe theyll do it to me. I mean, i know very few people kinda thought out the implications of this here. This is how you treat allies. I thought from was the guy that treated allies badly. Go ahead when a little from point to the from this also development on began under obama then trunk. And they thought them to by coming in the things will be different. However, this is a much broader change in international system. But if youre not a state of new priorities, which means focus less on europe, which means that the irrelevant front in the world will diminish. Now, its important to point out the west that the unified region only really developed in efficient russia. When it was the principal, during the cold war on the union, and after the cold war, when the west wanted to create a collective Hedge Money which re aligned on marginalizing russia, going out many times the right in the rise of china changes all the us focus and resources will now be directed towards asia, and so that will still want the peons to follow us. Lead by the us will be less willing to devote the efforts and resources to europe. Its in R D. And so, as i think maybe your p and american interest are also changing their down prioritizing europe. What are the are being supposed to do . So to some extent, to go along with this, you know, making native chinese power as well. The Americas Interest is not in europe anymore. So this is, this is why the french are seeing the strategic relevance declining. And how else can really interpret this a french how to deal with those trail for 10000000000. 00. The years went behind them back. Got the deal scraps and put in a new deal and its kind of make sense from the american perspective as well because they see the chinese not being the main threats. So theyre building up regional security alliances against the chinese and in the cold war, the americans favorite trade deals and the technological transfer them, you know, having the interconnect, focusing more on its key allies. So simply the role of france is diminished. And the said, if youre really wants to have some relevance, especially problems, the really need to have an independent foreign policy, the contra teeth under a us, which doesnt care about them anymore. So im sure right now theres someone in paris speaking about the need to charge a new, an independent for the policy towards china. Because this, this conflict having to reduce the ability for the pms foreign office and its better grades rely on the u. S. Which are 5 year up, so if its something more than the making and i dont know if i did a biden will be different from it through the obsession with child, but he was the source of all evil. Its called national interest george, to me it kind of choice words coming from the french minister about me. I can quote there has been lying with and he made here Maurice Trust and can tell this will not do well. What are you going to do about it . You, the french died themselves students to do nato, and to the united states. What leverage did they have 0 george . Thats why they were notified. Her, their feelings will cares. Its nato. We run it. And when we think its relevant, its important. If its not relevant, its not a board. Ok. You see, i mean, i think its almost like childs play. The see the french reaction. They mean all this, you know, know you. You made the bed together and youre left in it. Go ahead george. Yeah, yes thats, thats exactly right. And where are you, what ideally should happen now is france, germany in europe reconsider. What made those about what the foreign policy is really about. But its a very unlikely to happen. I mean, you know, 1st of all, nato has expanded to co op, a whole bunch of states that are rabidly anti russia because what would clearly make sense now for europe would be to, for some kind of a, a working of friendly partnership with russia. I mean all this that, that should have been the policy in the 990. But its gonna be very difficult to do because youve got all of the State Face Bowl and then you know, the unit remaining and so on. Well, greatly, ann, georgia, they are going to tolerate any kind of move towards a rough rational with russia. So whats really going to happen, i think, is what the americans envisage is a division of labor. They say, ok, were, were a global power. We have the global reach, so were going to focus on the containing china, you, the europeans, you focus on containing russia, and then well have the, you know, dual containment balance. And i suspect, but eventually those are the french are picking up. Theyll probably go along with it or probably below the blue, you know, the next meeting of whatever the g 20 or whatever. No, probably, yeah. Okay. With the u. K. Plays a crucial role here because the u. K. Is in this agreement with contain china agreement, and ive been also blustering about what were sending our warships into the south china sea. But you guys also in nato, and its going to push a strongly anti russian line. And so its going to be very difficult. I dont see germany as really having the will to forge a new direction. Okay. But glen, did that assumes that russia really is a threat to, to the european union, and i would say its not, but i mean can, can, can you play that fiction forever . I mean, considering the resources youre going to have to devote to it, i mean sir. Ok, its still up in the air. What were going to have the german elections and the greens have any kind of real power. I would tend to agree with george ok. But brand certainly doesnt feel that way, italy, spain, and so forth. I mean, its going to be kind of an internal Nature Minus us the, the nature members in europe. Its going to be real interesting squabble. Ok because in a way back the Dog Situation with the eastern so we know what these to be in their role in the, the coolant in 2014. And i mean, it didnt serve the purpose of mission, but they got stuck with it. I think i get stuck with an anti russian agenda in georgia, suggesting yeah, well, thats the problem. Thats how the your Pm Security institutions have been set up where you have got to have a europe completely unified except the largest country. And obviously in europe without becoming against automatically, you will have conflicts, someone didnt. So the problem gets them to go back and looking at some of the initial structures in a 990, of course, didnt become an opportunity to make a reconsider about the of the eastern European Members about, you know, theyre like, well you banjo, they just have this russian component of the foreign policy and what theyre loving for and, and so, but again, for congress like from there, there is a bit of a dilemma. Because if you want some strategic relevance in the world, on one hand, traditionally and for the past decades, theyre relevant to hinged on the us having a key interest in europe, in the front line against russia, which is why they had a central role. But now that says, shifting to another place to keep the relevant to the part of their commit to us, which doesnt really care about them, but then they will just become independence. They will, will it become even less relevant . Or do they try to form in their own independent foreign Policy Break coming from us, maybe an independent policy where its china and russia. But in this case, americans might undermine them again or punish them for this or so. Then they had to do have a real dilemma simply because the world has shifted this, the central got there is no longer in europe. This is not where the major politics is. What i one of the french going to do to remain relevant. Obviously this is the price of being irrelevant. You buy your enemies and you tell your friends, this is carla, can explain this. Surely they can continue this way. They all in the germans. They strike deals with russia when the american strike deals with russia and pointed out before the stream with a probably concerned a little bit as well. Because, you know, they went against the china very, im calling all american and they lost a lot of train to the chinese and a lot of people picked up by the americans. So they have to start to have a fun point, whether or not in their national interest or the bidding on their own horse. Theres a lot of stigma. So george america, back bills, i think that was when was saying here in all of these calculations, the o. S as the center of gravity. But lets say that the gravity starts moving around predictable way. Instead, weight is, is less less attractive because what they would have been doing us were had. Yeah, well i think, you know, if the europeans want to be relevant, if france wants to be irrelevant and wants to get washingtons attention, spanish it was you foreign policy that doesnt. Why that, that gets washingtons attention. If wrong. A gall. Yeah, exactly. If macros saying, hey, i think its time for a, a new relationship with russia, and he would stop signing. It was sort of agreement visiting russia put in visiting parents. And so that would get washingtons attention. If you go whining, oh please, please, please pay attention to us where were still, frankly involved in the well watching those that we thought all this, you know, weve been hearing this for decades. You know, we know that he was going to come round and do what we say in the process. But the question about germany, but prosperity has an opportunity and out, as you say to you, i goal is the foreign policy. It would then have to go against the u. K, because the u. K. Still very influential within nato. And would have to then see what happens with whether in germany, some new kind of leadership going to merge. That will have your a really can just go on hiding behind america. Wherever your genie, you know, not telling them the, their nato outlines they were leaving. Now then number one, then we have this Submarine Deal. Number 2 in very short succession. We have american Patriot Missile systems being removed from Saudi Arabia and other places here. I mean, a lot of things are moving around right now. One thing is for sure, the, these old in stone principles about foreign policy architecture. Theyre all moving away. Theyre crumbling, like deaf and, oh, and this is, nato has a good opportunity to rethink. And so maybe we think itself out of existence to start talking about its own real national security here. Gentlemen would run out of time. Want to take my son are slow in budapest. I want to thank you for watching and here are phoenix time and remember ah ah ah ah me. When i would show the wrong one, ill just dont the yes to see out. The thing becomes the african and engagement equal betrayal. 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