A special case here. Although i agree with much of what you just that this special case may be in that not many World Government would only welcome be arrival of the taliban and campbell. Most of them still have some sort of a Convert Channel to that with including, including russia, including many countries in the region. So i wonder if that sort of crazy would different situation because obviously the italian one is very regressive wars. But at the same time, you have to admit that its a gradual force and a 4th, but the most control of the ground at this point. And then what happens is one country in being its neighbor to a Proxy Militia. Its Proxy Militia focused on rear End Frame and the same since 994. Imagine one of our been country in Europe And Country and was staying quiet. This is actually what has happened i have Gain Control of congress on and thats why you see on the streets of chicago. And those are going to be able, in defiance raleigh, cafe and shouting, and the pakistan slogans. Because no country would like to be in beta and occupied by an abilene country that proxy force and the Proxy Pose of garish, of murderous stars. These are people who will be a fetus direct, not just to the neighbors. That will be a trip to all in every countries. Theyll try to dock. But professor chil, any, its well established the packets and how long have connections will be . Ive got some taliban logistical military connections, perhaps intelligence connections, what have you. And this is something that was actually also relayed to you or President Biden in his last call with that now is warmer than gunny before. 5, hell be tolerable worth is coming over the capital with a great support of packets done. But having said that, dont you recognize that the taliban is a force also has driven its tracks from, from the graph you have been gather some. Can you really call it at simply a profit wars . Its a bar of the if you create your large force, all mercenaries you train an arm of them, but neutral lessons. We provide money for them and then 5 to both the Command And Control network on the tennessee, which is what august has done for so many years. And thats why the american loss, the american bar, wrong entity on the wrong side of the line, which device im gonna start and focus americans recognize that it is not just a water pockets done on jo, strategic reasons, daniel pockets on strategically. And then ive got his son fighting, fighting in a way that was unwinnable, when your enemy is beyond its operating from across the border where the leadership is based on the enemy, by the Command And Control that in these days. How can you, when the war . Well, i think many people must believe that the americans didnt want to wind up for the 1st place. And when you look at the, lisa beneficiaries, the, you know, military companies, thats why thats why, you know, its easy to understand why in terms of the size of their procurement. But speaking about packets of to physically. Because in geo politics, one always has to be capital of what to wish for. And ive got to spend that time and time again. These seemingly expand that would hold that pakistan has supposedly gained the and i can extend right now is really without a liability given that package has its own issue with the pakistani bond. It has its own issue with fund dimensional is not to mention over the 1000000 refugees in pakistan. Should they be capital . Will they wish for most, let me respond to the 1st part of the come in the war may have become them for the americans, but wanting to see had become even more important. And what is unfolded watershed moment down in history books. As a markie, the beginning of the end of american preeminence. This is the end of america. And vital will be remembered in this feat. For me, he was a dentist heiress, Donavon Man again. Donovan bought a 2000 american. Yes. And what are the us expensive, comfortable Blood Pressure in a long law . Yeah. Ultimately its own enemy. Right . Trying to get back to the boss while i dont want to be the spokesman for the vitamin ministration, but i think he has already expressed in a number of speeches that his decision was a bold decision of not letting even more american soldiers to be killed. If you consider this war to be winnable, so perhaps, you know, the moral decision would be to simply put an active. But can i ask you to a drug lets, lets fund to the single american soldier are being killed. Who did it . Well then again and i had him, so it is improved announcement that is pretty donald trump, the us center son, man, and a mom of 2500. In fact, the american Combat Road ended at the end of 2014. From the beginning of 2015, the americans went on the front lines on the front lines in the last 6 and a half years before finally announced pullout only 99 american jews. And many of them and non hostile in to the Comparison Security forces lost people in that period because they were on the front line. So the line that why we have tried to send to the american public is based on a bit like why do you think that the americans want to just stay for so long . Well, know that needs to be good. Americans have many laws after World War 2, im gonna sound low. What . Where the american fought, where the public obedient supported the war. Right. Killed in the majority of william was in support of the war. Youre after. Yeah, just this war began in 2001, gather, has shown. And so this miss, the american tire, the war. And thats what led to withdraw rapidly. Thats fantasy. In fact, even if you wanted to withdraw, it was a need to get him so much draw in a manner that caused the kalash gone. Gone realty. I actually been right from under the feet. Gone. Will it be now in a minute that we had last before the break . I do want you turn your attention to the question that i asked before about the pakistan and whether it should be capital or what it wishes for in this expand it would hold that game. Do you really think it comes without any mix for his mamma . It certainly doesnt come with arden, you misc the pakistani state centers. Creation in 1947, terry was practiced on each state, has been willing to dance higher risks. And thats the reason why. But that Case Artist on has served as a refund to national terrace. Whether on the other guy, whether the Dollar Barn Type play about type is india, the fact is that park is done as being known 0 what international terrorism or wrong time. Again, the fact is that the americans should have been war and get up there on after stage that have stood around against. Ready washington, they have identified iran, Sheri North Korea and this, yes, cuba as opposed states on those of terrorism. But even the americans want to look in private doesnt most biggest. Nancy of them is though the biggest century find the national services pakistan. But these still can reach are, are labeled as allies by washington. So. 2 the fact that that protest on such a long time has gone on. And this does a lot about the way the warren get. The base also tells us a lot as to why this is lauren has one of the ridge. Its not the last bar just the time the war was was, you know, was declared often i 11 problem of terrorism. And why in the world was lets see, trying to just warranty are too many hard to argue with that. But we have to take a very short break right now. We will be back to the discussion in just a few moments. For me i what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have is crazy foundation. Let it be an Arms Race is on often very dramatic development. Only personally, im going to resist. I dont see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. Time to sit down and talk the the the, me i actually part of it from my chinese professor strategic studies as a triple Policy Research in dallas physical, any before the break. We were talking about the Packet Involvement in, again, it sounds affairs. Its not like you havent tried to make their own pressure or implants on janice politics new daily believes to be to have to be in northern alliance. Logistically, militarily humana entirely. Its treated some of the medicine it think that russia for example, did as well. So im not trying to point to fingers. That was the way i think everybody have been quite a mass in politics. I know that over the last 2 days have become one of the main sponsors of by construction. You know, got it done. Having invested over, i think we 1000000000 us dollars. Do you think all of that was in vain, or do you still hold that your country will be able to recover some of it to get some of the returns on investments in a row. That investment doesnt go down the drain it what investment and the reason for that is simple biting said recently that you did not go to kind of sun phoenician noting that is true left to a lot of nations to assist in reconstruction. And ive got some, i mean get decided to play an important role in helping us, honest on your bill. High range dams and then structure wisely simply completed on a new part of the build a Nature Highway Network in the finest it was shaking. And in fact, it managed to commerce on to the wrong in Port Off was started to do a hard Job Harcourt of iran. So creating a in alternative road for trade was traditionally dependent on pakistan for trade because the train would go through the park is plenty of karachi, so whatever you get invested in a time, youre not be destroyed by the thought of on because that is just subs ive got people, so no money has been wasted by india. In fact, one way has constructed will continue to get man, ive done good will for india. Now, can i ask you something and you know, when i talk to russian analysts about india is present and again, they usually, they said just the in, you have a sort of Dependency Problem in the when it comes to strategic foreign policy thinking 1st, it overestimated the Solidity Dependence of the americans. How much they could be trusted. That can they believe that india is now over estimating the taliban reliance on the packet. We prevented from building its own ties with the movement, however unseemly it may, it may be. Do you agree with that that in yeah, that of overestimates all over expect. Other partners you more of what it should be doing its out of sessions are not correct and have not oh, relies on the americans dont that the us . I mean, yeah, i dont see i do, i on reach of marcus. So when i came to this time, there was a recognition both in New Delhi in washington that the divergence cannot be matched. And youll never rely on the us a, heres wanted by Ministration Draw from us on, on the basis conditions. Even though the eyes of the sought to conditions based, withdrawn from a corner by noon and not all of their lives. There was ignored because it is not an ally of Washington India distributed partner as part of the 2nd thing is lets be clear as to the Length Dollar on the have been august on focus on just shut away into Service Intelligence Agency known as i, as i how can i pass it . Oh, oh, what sponsor . No one exchanges and dennis throws wrong, time has been an enabler, international terrorism. Not intelligence and seen the world has promoted international terrorism. To the extent i have done a lot more than 4 decades yet of us under iran, islam is loosely, god will watch list of terrorist organizations. But i have never been in the midst. Why . Because i have all these acids and i, if i, if so, is part of a major. It doesnt make Sporting Force arkansas to military. I as part of August Military and the parties are quoting ties. Well, the ties with national dentist is providing as President Trump said she was now nothing better estimates the foundation of the noble war on delta dental. The fact that the us government never added even the Dollar Bar to get us on a ships. Well, youre actually leading doesnt, doesnt, doesnt really show how this war on kara has been age. You mentioned an interesting why is that, is that the designation of the taliban as a, as a terrorist organization . By many times with around the world including the united nations itself. One of the taliban came to power 25 years ago. I think back if i was one of the very few Countries Job limited welcome it. But nowadays its an issue that many, many governments around the world have to have to consider. And this is a thorny issue because they have strong reasons for doing that as strong reasons for not doing that. We, that of considerations do thing the prevailing you down solid Bond History and bond from 99600113 countries. From the recognized that Ratio Pakistan suddenly, maybe, and the Hughie And China had somewhat what, what can they call defacto recognition . They had a Office And Cargo and on the day and im living happen, there was this chinese delegation and shining agreements, but the thought of and re fi today. The mission of the but just because you have not just parking on each other duty because of the new regime in cobble, you have Russia And China, which has maintained kept the embassies open and god for china with the taliban. Lets not forget an important another important original players your own outreach programs. The taliban us talking to sort of on is different from actually keeping or embassy is open and recognizing the new regime, which is what Russia And China doing. So thats a, thats many different look at the new regime. Its dominated by home, dominated by, by mom was not one done. All they did, jenny and you were listed. Are us designated jeris and from prime minister of the taliban regime hospital. And theres also a un listed garris, it was instrumental in the destruction of what does a me on campus regime, anybody that prevents many countries from trying to establish that own or birth or Convert Channels to that moment. Do you think you will see the day when india especially recognizes the government . Any government seeks to launch demise, and recognize and make the scanner says youve been cobbled internationally acceptable. Let me committing a crime. Any readings, journalism . Cry with international law. The terrorist human cobble. Dont get back until 2008. Nelson mandela was an a cherry list. And i remember when the presence of your countries was banned from travelling in the west where hes a legit nationalist views. And it wasnt the change he used that got him on the lease, it was a huge rising and political prominence that come to that decision. So when it comes to international international politics, i think we both know when there is a will. There is a way, do you think a moment will come when the international community, regardless of how much it shapes that regardless of all the morality issues associated with that, do you think they will come . They will come a day when the international community here will recognize the taliban Abilene And Government with all due respect, you trust, assert comparisons. And then you ask a rather the kind of reality accepted by the international community. Nelson mandela on the not date of arms. Both didnt have a gun. Well, not of a gun culture. Nelson mandela was associated with the resistance movements and yes, but he was associated with resistance himself was not involved in any and also associated with well, at least in the eyes of western critics, with, with the massacre and involving many of be in muslim nationals. Well again thats maybe thats a good comparison, but i bring it back to my question. Well, the 1st was normal. You know what happened in the state of the movie . There was a train that was attacked by a muslim all, they kill a large number of in those who were passengers in that trade, that led to a backlash in which a number of both these i and then so you know, this was certainly cannot be compared to national journalism, that international terrorism is basically defined as actually by one group wanted against another state. Never be in south africa, india. Any grow and was in Cross Border Terrorism in trust. National happen. And certainly, you know, giving examples of de la mo, the money is im trying to be from a terrorist. Im not sure. I mentioned those examples to illustrate that terrorism is that actually you said that there is a clearly defined definition. There is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism and the, you know, the woman servers is another mans freedom fighter. Thats been a common way of jo, politics. But dickens and thank you. Since we are running out of time, i do want to hear your opinion on whether you believe that the international community needs the, as it is about the taliban, is history is views on social relations. Do you think there will come a moment . They will recognize this as a legitimate government. Yes. And no one was of this recognizing that would be a betrayal of the gone people. Those are some things that was well, professor chil, any we have to leave it there. I really appreciate your being with us today. Thank you very much for time and thank you for watching hope is there again, next week, was apart from me. The me the join me every thursday. Im Alex Simon show and ill be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. Business. Im show business. Ill see you then me me and i make no borders to please you. We dont have authority, we go to the back seat, the whole world leads to take action and be ready. People judge, you know, crisis we can do better, we should be better. 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