Job Shop Blunder has song the greatest victory for paris in the modern history of global god. If you will consider what happened in syria and iraq, isis established a so called color, sharp color. That could vacuum vertical market printed by the C S for war against the president of syria. And that was the northern part of city are becoming on governor me. Thats how i rose and created a cognitive not the feel the thought of on how did you know the back of he again was mike as far so this is being a huge post thought yeah. This across the world. And this over the quote for a brief starting this longest. And Dennis Ross across the world. Chil, any, i think again, nathan may present a special case here. Although i agree with much of what you just that this special case may be in that not many worlds, governments would only welcome be arrival of the taliban and capital. Most of them still have some sort of a Convert Channel to that with including, including russia, including many countries in the region. So i wonder if that sort of creative would different situation because obviously the italian one is, theyre very regressive wars. But at the same time, you have to admit that its a grassroots force and of course, the most control of the ground at this point. And then what happens is one country in getting its neighbor to a Proxy Militia, its Proxy Militia focused on Rear And Frame and the same since 994. Can you imagine one of our been country in Europe And Country and was staying quiet . This is actually what has happened. Okay, i have Gain Control of cornerstone. And thats why you see on the streets are covered. And those are going to be able, in defiance raleigh, Faith And Shouting and the pakistan slogans. Because no country would like to be an occupied by an abilene country. That Proxy Force these people will be a fetus, correct . Not just the name. Correct. All in every countries dont mean trash to dock guns. But perhaps its shiny. Its well assemblers the packets and how long have connections with the taliban logistical military connections, perhaps intelligence connections, what have you. And this is something that was actually also relates to a president by them in his last call. With that now the former President Gunny before he feels that the, the tolerable course is coming over the capital with a great support of pakistan. But having said that, dont you recognize the taliban as the force also has driven a train from, from the graph to gather some, can you really call it at simply a proctor wars . Its a part of the non, if you create your large force, all mercenaries, your crane and arm them, but neutral lessons. We provide money for them and then 5 to both the Command And Control network on the tennessee, which is what august has done for so many years. And thats why the american loss, the american barbara wrong entity on the wrong side of the line was the wife gonna start in pakistan. Americans recognize that it is not just a water boxed on, but just for the reasons name, pakistan on strategically. And then and ive got his son fighting, fighting in a way that was unwinnable. When you enemy is the owner i its operating from across the border where the leadership is based on the enemy. When they come out of control that in these days. How can you, when the war . Well, i think many people a most can believe that the americans didnt want to wind up when the 1st place. And when you look at the lisa beneficiaries, the, you know, military companies. Thats why thats why, you know, its easy to understand why in terms of the size of that procurement, but speaking about packets of decisions, because in geo politics, one always has to be capital of what to wish for. And theyre gonna send to that time and time again. These seemingly expand that would hold that pakistan has to boldly gain the and i can extend right now is really without a liability given that package has its own issue with the pakistani taliban. It has its own issue with fund dimension. Its not to mention over the 1000000 refugees in pakistan. Should they be capital they wish for most let me respond to the 1st part of the come in the war may have become them for the americans wanting to see had become even more important. And one of them folded watershed moment down in history books as a markie, beginning of the end of american preeminence. This is the end of america. Vital will be remembered in history for making the world deadly scattering. Donavon man, again dotted on both ends, 2000 american soldiers. And what has been especially done for the us, expensive, comfortable Blood Pressure in along the law. Yeah. Ultimately helped its own entity. Right. Trying to get back to the boss while i dont want you to spoken and divide an administration, but i think he has already expressed in a number of speeches that hes decision was a Board Decision of mob letting even more american soldiers to be killed. If you consider this war to be winnable, so perhaps, you know, the moral decision would be to simply put an active. But can i ask you to drive over . Let me, lets fund to that single american soldier had been killed in more than again. And i had him, so it is in for announcement that is pretty donald trump, the us center on the bed and the mom of 2500. In fact, the american Combat Road ended at the end of 2014, from the beginning of 2015 americans. Were not on the front lines on the front lines in the last 6 and a half years before i didnt pull out. Only 99 americans had been too many of them and non hostile in the, in Comparison Security forces lost people in that period because theyre on the front line. So the line that why we have tried to show to the american public is based on a bit like why do you think that americans want to just stay for so long . Well, know that needs to be good. Americans, how many laws after World War 2 . Im gonna sound low war, the american spot, where the public obedient supported the war till then the majority of william was in support of the war. Youre up to you just as the war began in 2001, gather, has shown. And so this mess does americans tire the war, and thats what led to withdraw rapidly. Got to see. In fact, even if you wanted to withdraw there was a need to get him to draw in a manner that caused the class. Im gonna see don realty, ive actually been rugged from under the feet. Ive gone military now in a minute we had last before the break. I do want you to turn your attention to the questions that i asked before about the pakistan and whether it should be kept or what it wishes for in ive got to stand this expanded, would hold that again. Do you really think it comes without any risks . Or mama, it certainly doesnt come with our did you miss the pakistani state centers . Creation in 1947 was in fact the park is sunny state has been willing to take higher lists. And thats the reason why artist on has sounds as essentially international terrace. Whether id guy, whether the Dollar Barn Type play about type is india, the fact is that park is done and the ground 0 was actually the wrong time. Again, the fact is that the land, the americans should have been war and get up there on after chase that have still been around against washington. They have identified iran, syria, north korea, and this, yes, cuba as a full states on those of terrorism. But even the americans will admit in private the most biggest, nancy, of Saudi Arabia though the biggest century find some national services pakistan. But these 2 are, are labeled as aligns by washington. So. 2 the fact that that pakistan was such a long time has gone and this does a lot about the way the Warren Get has been bass, and also tells us a lot as to why this war on guerra has one of the ridge is last. The last bar, just the time the war was, was no, was declared. Often i 11, problem of terrorism. And why in the world the world has been, lets say, trying to this Warranty Or Anything until any, its hard to argue with that, but we have to take a very short break right now. We will be back to the discussion in just a few moments. For me or i the i the hey, you know weve moved on from just praising lots of money and incurring lots of dad for Dom Reasons to Printing Loss of money and incurring lots of debt for extraordinarily Dom Reason the me i welcome back to the part a bit from mitchell. Im a professor of strategiC Studies at the center of Policy Research in dallas chil, any before the break, we were talking about the Packet Involvement in again, it sounds affairs. Its not like you havent tried to. Theres own pressure or implants on janice politics, new daily, believes to be to have supported the northern alliance. Logistically, militarily humana entirely. Its treated some of the, there was a lot of things that russia, for example, did as well. So im not trying to, you know, point fingers the index was the way, i think everybody have been quite a mass in politics. I know that over the last today his india has become one of the main sponsors of by several reconstruction. Gonna stand, having invested over i think we 1000000000 us dollars. Do you think all of that was in vain or. Busy do use their hope that your country will be able to recover some of it to get some of the returns on investments. You know, well that investment certainly doesnt go down the list, what investment. And the reason for that is something biting said recently that you did not go to kind of sun phoenician noting that is true left to a lot of nations to assist in reconstruction. And ive got some, i mean, get decided to play an important role in helping, honest on your bill. High range dams are then 5 structure or lucidly completed on a new part of the build a Nature Highway Network in the finest it was. And in fact, it managed to commerce on to the wrong in Port Off was started to do the Job Harcourt of iran. So creating a in alternative road for a country that was traditionally dependent on pakistan for trade because the train would go to the park is funny of karachi. So whatever it invested in a time cannot be destroyed by the tunnel because that is just so ive got people. So no money has been wasted by india. In fact, one way has constructed will continue to get down well for india. Now can i ask you something and you know, when i talk to rush nationalists about india and is present and again, its them. They usually they said just the in, you have a sort of Dependency Problem when it comes to strategic foreign policy thinking 1st, it overestimated the Solidity Dependence of the americans. How much they could be trusted. That can they believe that india is now overestimating the taliban reliance on the package we prevented from building its own type with the movement. However, seemingly it may, it may be do you agree with that that in yeah, that of overestimates all over expect. Other partners, you more of what it should be doing . Its out. I think bought assertions are not correct and have not oh, relies on the americans. Its dont that a us and india. I dont see eye to eye on reach marcus. So when it came to this time, there was a recognition both in New Delhi in washington that the divergence cannot be wretched. And youll never rely on the us. Heres wanted by doing the ministration, draw from us on, on the basis and issues even open the eyes of the us, sought to conditions based withdrawl from a corner by noon and not all of their lives. And certainly there was ignored, but the northern alliance of washington, india, distributed partner as part of the 2nd thing is lets be clear as to the dollar on the have baggage them to shut away into Service Intelligence Agency one as i, as i how can i pass it, oh oh, what sponsor . No one exchanges and dennis throws wrong time has been an enabler. International terrorism. Novel intelligence, seen the world has promoted International Terrorism. To the extent i have done a lot more than 4 decades, yet any of us under, from iran, islam is loosely, god will watch list of terrorist organizations. But i have never been in the midst. Why . Because i had all the actors and i, if i, if so, is part of a major exporting force, arkansas, the military. I part of august on the military and the times. Well, the tides with national data stops is already providing as President Trump said she has that now if i not think thats the foundation of the noble war on delta dental, the fact that the us government never, i didnt even have a Dollar Bar to get us a shes, well, youre actually leading doesnt, doesnt, doesnt really show how this Warren Kara has been age. You mentioned an interesting why is that, is that the designation of the taliban as a, as a terrorist organization . By many times with around the world, including the united nations itself. One of the taliban came to power 25 years ago. I think back up i was one of the very few Countries Job limited welcome it. But nowadays, its an issue that many, many governments around the world have to have to consider. And this is a thorny issue because they have strong reasons for doing that as strong reasons for not doing that. We that of considerations do thing the prevailing you down by the solid Bond Mystery and bond from 99600113 countries from the recognized that Ratio Pakistan suddenly maybe, and the louis and china had somewhat what, what can they call defacto recognition, they had a Office And Cargo and on the day and im living happen, there was this chinese delegation in shining and even with the dollars and re fi today. This mission. But just because you have not just parked on each other duty because of the new regime in cobble, you have Russia And China, which has maintained, kept the embassies open and channel with italy. But lets not forget an important another important original players your own outreach programs. The taliban Docking Donavon is different from actually keeping the embassies open and recognizing the new regime, which is what Russia And China are doing. So thats a, thats many different look at the new regime. Its dominated by home, but dominated by, by mom was not one done. All they did, jenny and you were listed. Are us designated service. And so from prime minister of the taliban regime, klune is also a un listed garris. It was instrumental in the destruction of what does a young, generous regime reference if anybody prevents many countries from trying to establish that own or birth or Convert Channels to that moment. Do you think you will see the day when india especially recognizes the government . Any government seeks to legitimize and recognize and make the scanner so if youve been cobbled internationally acceptable will be committed a crime. Any journalism try with international law. The terrorist human cobble dont here is that you 2008. Nelson mandela was an a terrorist list, and i remember when the presence of your countries was bad from travelling in the west, where hes the largest nationalist views and it wasnt the change or he used that got him on the lease. It was used rising in political prominence, thats come to that decision. So when it comes to international international politics, i think we both know when there is a will. There is a way, do you think a moment will come when the international community, regardless of how much its have said. And regardless of all the morality issues associated with that, do you think they will come . They will come a day when the international community here will recognize the taliban actually didnt have government with all due respect. You trust, assert comparisons. And then you ask a rather this kind of reality, the accepted by the international community. Nelson mandela on the did not take up arms both didnt have a gun. Well, not of a gun culture. Nelson mandela was associated with the resistance movements and yes, but he was associated with the resistance. He himself was not involved in any and also associated with the while, at least in the eyes of western critics, with, with the massacre in involving many of the muslim nationals. Well again thats a missed and maybe thats a good comparison. But i bring you back to my question. Well, the bus was normal next week. Yeah. What happened in stage movie, there was a train that was a guy by muslim law. They kill a large number of in those who were passengers in that trade, that led to a, him, the backlash in which a number of muslims can both these i and then, so you know, this was certainly cannot be compared to international journalism. The International Terrorism is defined as actually by one group, and once again, another state never be in south africa, india. Any grow in was in Cross Border Terrorism in trust. National happened and certainly, you know, giving example, so de la mo, the trying to put money at some kind of a, from a terrorist. Im not sure. I mentioned those examples to illustrate that terrorism is that actually you said that there is a clearly defined definition. There is no international, i agree, definition of terrorism. I mean, you know, the one services, another Mans Freedom Fighter thats been a common place of jo politics. But dickens and they can, but since we are running out of time, i do want to hear your opinion on whether you believe that the international community of the, the, as it is about of the taliban, is history. Is the use of social relations. Do you think they will come a moment they will recognize this as a legitimate government . Yes. And no one is recognizing that would be a betrayal of the gone people. Those are some things that we have to live there. I really appreciate your being with us today. Thank you very much for time and thank you for watching. Hopefully there again, next week on was apart from me. The me the me the pacific leg of are around the world expedition. 5000 miles round the clock and the dead calm. Miss dennis in every country close by like the crew. Gavins food and one or 2 to check those for us also. 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