The Cross Talking the by the presidency . Im joined by my guess internet panama, in london. He is professor of international politics at City University of london, as well as visiting professor the London School of economics in atlanta. We have robert patello. He is a civil Rights Attorney and radio host. And in bulgaria, we cross the julio rivera. He is the Editorial Director of reactionary times Identity Cross Talk roles and effects. That means you can jump in anytime you want. And i always appreciate it. Lets go to our guest in london, interested sometimes when you have distance from a situation, you see things more clearly. So tell me what you think of the by the ministration. What 9 months in now is it what you expected . And what do you take away from the praise . Hes losing patience with tens of millions of the american people. Voters, by the way, go heading london off. I think yes, of the 1st 9 months of any presidency. Theres very high expectations. Theres a major change which occurred, obviously from the top administration, that major crises which President Biden inherited, including the covariance, but also the, the economic effects of it, the polarization. So i think after 9 months you could say, i would think overall out of 10, i would say probably 7 and a half, which i dont think is far off what i would have expected. Because i think we have to recall that in addition to the more immediate crises that President Biden inherited, there were also kind of longer term crises, all crises of legitimacy, of the american political system itself. All of which President Trump, to some extent was a symptom as well. So i think you would be hard pushed to go any further than he has. But id say one big thing which is really shifted is that he actually had an Approval Rating of about 4 percent on the Corona Virus among the public opinion. So i think thats not a bad indicator of the way in which things have gone on that particular front, despite the frustrations, of course, with the, the people who are very skeptical about the vaccine itself. Ok, and so far in this program we have heard the most generous answer to my question. Now im going to cut robert and robert. You go ahead and reactive the same question we, we are guessing. Lennon says 7 and a half points. Go ahead, jump it big, were giving it a numerical number, ill say about a 7. Ok for, for President Biden, for a couple reasons. I think President Biden is the 1st the us president. They have to deal with a b c regime running in Shadow Government from the sidelines. Probably since the 930. 00. I think the handle between hoover and, and F D R was acrimonious with that to the point where the former president will still walk around the country pretending that he president pretending that he did not lose the election. And that means to be in powerful for the mentioned to him, you have the senate been house republicans still refused to simply say that Joe Biden is the president , and you have an entire political wing of the country, which instead of simply thing, we want to come together and independent, theyre telling people to take horse be warmers, theyre telling people to not pick me. That seems to not fall in the public health protocols. You have governors around the country, outlawing the amass mandate saying that children cannot wear mask in schools. What do we know are defective and preventing the spread the virus, not to mention the fact the President Bite and it was, path were walking in the door one ending a wants anything through pandemic, to ending a 20 Year War in afghanistan, where the agreement was already reaching for you walked in the door in the door 3, stabilizing an economy that was in, that was already in free fall of free fall, because the previous administration, prioritized cuts, were building air over actually stabilizing the bottom of the economy and keeping Job Growth going. So i think, given what Joe Biden was walking into 7 is about where i would put him, i still think that he could have done more to twist the arms of the people in his own party, P Y Mansion instead of want to get more domestic into through and for that im docking several points. I do think the dentist and pull out could have been done better, but he was left in a hard situation, but he also get pollution points for that. Okay, now, julio, youre going to give the opposing opinion. Go ahead, my friend. I mean, you know, in all honesty, i have no clue what robert is talking about. The fact of the matter is, Joe Biden has been an unmitigated disaster in every single way. I mean, i would attach a negative number to the Performance Youve given so far on day one of his presidency. He came out with a blurry, of executive orders that did everything to undermine this economy. That he claims that he inherited a terrible economy from, from the fact of the matter as he did everything to be basically stifle american energy independence. You know, thats had that direct effect on the cost of everything. You know, his build back better plan earlier in the year, supposed to produce a 1000000 jobs. They didnt even crack 300000 new jobs in the report where they had predicted a 1000000. In addition to that, you know, youve got the Cybersecurity Posture of the United States. Weve suffered an audience, basically a measurable amount of damage in terms of having all these attacks coming from different countries. Obviously, advanced persistent threats are permeating all over the world under Joe Biden. Now we finally got a new head of sea. So thats looking to address that with the help of the private sector, but the Border Crisis, his executive orders stopping board a Wall Construction and basically putting up the messaging that he was going to look to legalize 11000000 new legal residents coming in through the southern border from the northern triangle and from mexico weve, thats the reason why we have the border prices that we have. And if you knew that you wanted to get everybody out of afghanistan, he should have, when you know about it in the proper way. As far as getting out, you know, americans, 1st civilian cooperators, interrupt any people who are going to be at risk. People who are being hunted now in the street like wild game by the taliban should have been removed 1st. So there is no possible way to spin Joe Biden 1st 8 or 9 months into success. I in my opinion. Ok, so we have 7. 5, we have 7 and negative territory. Let me go back to london. Obviously not being trump was one of bidens biggest advantages in running. Ok, because for whatever campaign he had the Basement Strategy and all that. But i mean, a lot of people reject the Donald Trump, but more people voted for him in the last election than in 2016. So my question is now, is that the fact that he isnt Donald Trump has that worn off now . Is that kind of past, say, because you saw the media giving a bite and a lot of cover. And then the events in afghanistan happened, then you saw a little bit of different directions there. And what do you think about that . Hes no, you know, hes not trump, at least hes not trump is that is that me, me warn off now go ahead. Well, it had, it was bound to be a bit of a problem with even his base if you like, because there were those who were opposed to trump and very kind of vociferously so, and clearly they voted negatively. So biden is better than trump. Theres a lot of people who also on the left who wanted to not only oppose trump, but they also want a positive change. And i think to a large extent, President Biden or candidly biden, and then President Biden actually surprised me somewhat because we came up with a sort of an agenda which was much greater focus towards change. So the infrastructure plan, for example, was a very, very significant and quite radical step. For someone whos got a very moderate central kind of background. The whole idea of the, the state, and the role, it would mean the economy, the reintroduction of Science And Expertise into the handling of the pandemic. The, the stopping of criticizing scientists like valgy and others. And i think those are pretty big steps forward, which will take him. So i think there was already a kind of, im by the not just, not trump, and i think going towards 2022 and the midterm elections. I suspect that the, the biden will probably have a negative rating among public opinion, broadly speaking. And i suspect that they will fight the election on the fear that trump may be back in 2020. Okay. That thats exactly what i was was getting at in that question there. Ok. That their fear mongering element here robert, is this the Joe Pine that you expected because i mean, you know, i probably, you know, the oldest on the program here. I mean, i remember when he call her to with, with segregated segregationist. Ok. And now hes, hes talking about, you know, the gym, the new jim crow when things like that. I mean, somebody my age watching his politics. I by the really quite astounding this is got it, but a version of Joe Biden. Ive never seen before. Go ahead robert. I think youre interesting because i think with the way to jo biding campaigned in the way that he won the election. Yes, there was a very, very large amount of anti pump ism, but at the same time, there was a very strong domestic agenda that he campaigned on, and much of that had ground to a Halt Result to us senate. If you look at the Infrastructure Deal with we thought was done in early summer, were still lingering now were still mansion is instead of not voting in favor of the 3. 00 trillion dollar human Infrastructure Deal. You look at what weve known voting rights and voting rights before the people that of George Floyd just policing. There have been absolutely no traction on those thing. So then, going into 2200 people, people are going to want Joe Biden to absolutely be more aggressive on his domestic agenda. Nobody is voting for you to be trump, like nobody is voting for you to carry up the team, partying the mega agenda. You get the agenda done for the people that you want to get it done for. And thats how you, when elections. Ok, but wholly, i mean away, what is the democratic party right now . I mean, be a, oh, see the Bernie Sanders and all that. I mean, im very, very confused because i dont feel whole lot of leadership if the president is going to have the genuflect to these people, what kind of leader is that of the party . Yeah, go ahead. Exactly. You listed. I think the democratic party has kind of morphed into the Party Thatll say whatever they feel that they need to say at the, the time that sound good or to win an election. These are the people that were saying last year that they wanted to the fund, the police, then you had a some more of an unprecedented violence who had writing crime rates all the while. These are liberal areas, really areas that are controlled by democrats. Now theyre trying to reverse course on that. So thats why bad legislation like the jordan floyd Policing Act and all these other attempts across the country to try to defend the police are grinding to a halt. Now that human infrastructure is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard in my life, this is not what america need, not after spending trillions of dollars that we didnt have to try to sustain the american populace. During an on president a pan deming, this is like doubling tripling, quadrupling down on bigger government and wasteful spending. Yes, it at the end of the day with inflation rising with the economy grinding to a hole in all the problem that weve had as a result of the pandemic. And now, Joe Biden, coming in on top of that, theyre going to try to raise taxes on job creators. And theyre going to attempt at some point this war to use reconciliation to pass a package of tax increases. Now thats really going to be bad for them. Headed into i think, the midterm, i dont see that theres only a whole that hold that thought were going to go to a short break. And after that sure, press continue. Our discussion on the Biden Presidency said with are the the in the 19 twenties and thirties, several 100 african americans moved to the soviet union. And many of their descendants still lived in russia. Law. Never yet to be truthful. Nice things. Secretary lambda back home lack american, something from racism and a complete lack of prospects. The not, but not the real be losing one by one provide you with the procedure. So they decided to leave everything behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all. Some of the african americans who went to Soldiers Union in 1830 found great success to me. And now almost a 100 years later, history is repeating itself. My great grandfather, george time, went to russia. Im probably the worst time to go anywhere. Why not mean . When i come here . I want to make no certainly no borders. Im just blind to nationalities. Emerge. We dont have authority, we dont actually, the whole world needs to take action and be ready. People are judge, you know, governors crisis, we can do better, we should be better. Everyone is contributing each in their own way. But we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. The challenge is paid for the response has been massive. So many good people are helping us. It makes it feel very proud that we are together in the media a reflection of reality. The in a world transformed what will make you feel safer Type Relation or community. You going the right way . Where are you being somewhere direct . What is truth . What is in a world corrupted, you need to this end. Ah. So join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. Ah ah, welcome back to Cross Talk. Were all things are considered. Im peter labelle, to remind you were discussing the biting presidency. I me okay, lets go back to london. Well, viewers of this program though, that i self identify as a conservative, but im a basically a populous conservative. Im not much of a libertarian, and i dont have a problem spending money on people. I think its good investing in people is very good. But what, what was whats being interjected into all of this that i find very disturbing and i find both sides of the aisle doing it is the culture war. And i dont think Joe Biden is very good at it because of my previous reference, and he is an old segregationist. I mean, hes just been brought up in a very different time. When i here to go by and talk to you about equity as like what did you just learn that word a few months ago . Okay. Good. Thats not, thats not you. Ok. And again, they chose been kind of the, the influence of the party and members, different elements of the party have on him. I find that really, really destructive you, as you know, we, there was the commemoration of 911 over the last few days here. And then having the former president of the United States, George Bush Interject january 6, and comparing it to 911, i find personally ghastly. And what that does is divide the country even more. We need unity. Joe, isnt that guy . He isnt up to the task. Go ahead in london. Well, i think Joseph Biden has other very long political career and as you said hes, hes more of a weather way, very politician than a Conviction Politician overall. Hes a centrist democrats from a State State of delaware. The massive number of corporations are domiciled there and so on for tax purposes and hes at the center of the party. But you know, if you look at the opinion, polls in the run up to 2020, the democratic primaries and so on. The people who oppose trump one to 2 things, one they want to trump out. And 2nd, they wanted someone who was a relatively mainstream, old white guy, politician who wouldnt shake things up too much on the one hand. But theres a lot of people who want to change, and you know, a President Biden combined some of those characteristics. And hes the sort of a lot of people wanted, after 4 years or 2 months, us politics. And i think thats what american people really voted for. And to some extent, the fact that hes inherited these crises and that he is a 78 and that he may not necessarily have a 2nd term. I suspect, created a condition or a context where he would probably be more radical. And his ideology may suggest that is to say, you know, upon demick, youre going to have to do something big through government, about the panoramic unit and economic crisis. Youre going to have to do a lot more to bring the state intervening into the economy and, and quite frankly, you know, the kind of Home Market driven Strategy And Philosophy since the reagan era. Grinding to a halt under the whole weight of polarization, partly driven by the Commonwealth Inequality and easy narrative, a very large number of things in a way. I think he 40 thinking about his place in history. And i suspect that hes going to be more radical than he is. I already proven it in a way compared with what we might afford. So i wouldnt sort of condemn him for that. I dont think hes pretty radical enough. That is, he cant actually go against the wall street case, which is so significant still for the democratic party. And i dont think you can do as much in regard to taxation all big corporations and so on. Which is, i think what the left of the party would want. Well that, that is that thats what makes all of american politics toxic on but on both houses a play gone both their houses in my pin here. Im going to mix the order up here, julio. I mean, we heard that, you know, during the campaign during the inaugural address, that he would be the unifier. But he says hes losing patience with tens of millions of americans. What kind of Unity Unifier is that, i mean, maybe that would be Tulsa Commemoration was very, very diverse of here. I mean, is this an intentional strategy . I mean, they basically intentionally dismissing a good chunk of the electorate. I mean its basically, hes doing a dirty harry make my day, is that good politics, julio . Go ahead. Oh, it absolutely is. And theres no possible way that this guy could have been, they unify or, i mean, this is a guy that said he didnt want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle. This is the guy that said if you had trouble deciding between him and trauma, that you werent black. And quite frankly, i want to take exception with my counterpart there in london describing that from presidency of to mole to the front presidency was to multi with. But to many in the international community, because trump decided that he wanted to take care of the interest of americans 1st. So that marginalize, all of the things that america had been doing previously money that was being spent of the, you know, given of war nations, money that was being invested into international groups like natal. And thats the reason why the perception of him maybe internationally, was that his presidency was to move with. But it really wasnt. America had an unprecedented economy. The best that weve ever had. Gdp rope which was bought to be dead and stuck at the 1. 4 Percent Level under president obama. This is going to be the new more and more thats skyrocketed to more than double that president from president. He was very, very successful. The problem is, the democrats have control of the media and the media has been perpetuating lies about Racism And Division that is manufactured by left. This bought leaders to go ahead and to try to steal this election in the midst of the cold pandemic with all the new changes to the election that went into effect. Obviously with male voting and a lot of rules changes to extend date. President trump will win probably in 2024 and theyre getting out in front of it by trying to create these optics. That all we can have President Trump back. He was such a failure. All these problems that are happening now is because trump left them, you know, all the left basically bite in a mess, but none of that is actually true. Ok, who we are just as a footnote here. Nato is more angry. A Joe Biden now than they ever were with . Yeah, thats true. Okay, robert. I mean its, they, with the uni, being the unified here. I mean, can you convince me in our audience that he is the unified because the language he, hes using is, is basically, like i said, doing a dirty harry. He did. He seems to be completely dismiss a bit of concerns that people of the people that disagree with him and a Leader Shouldnt do that kind of thing. I mean, as much as you just like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, didnt intentionally is as far as i remember, try to alienate people. Go ahead, robert. Well, ive never met a person who dislikes Donald Trump, im a, im a policy driven individual. I think the President Trumps policy failed america, and thats the last 3 electron by nearly 8000000 votes, mathematic to the thing. I dont think any president can allow a half 1000000 people to die on his watch and is but to win reelection. Then i love the Myth Making of the right where theyve decided that we dont, dont believe your line guys believe what we told you about President Trump hills, hunky dory, it was already a, everything was great. We were walking on changing field streets and all those things. Well, Joe Biden was realizing, as he came, i still believe that a bygone era, people who was an error with the senate would pass judicial nominees, 99. 00 to 1. 00 point and the arrow down over cocktails. And you, you and Trent Lott and from durham and you can have a discussion and then you tackle. So these are, these are the things that do not existing where you have a militarized right in this country, having president of War President who has never conceded the election, who has told his people to by no Means Work across party lines. Even in the best interest of the american people, these people have decided they, they are trumpet before they are americans. They have decided that in support, the january sits, writers, mortal, they need to court law enforcement. This is why on september 11th, instead of president from joining the president and the former president and install and commit morisha what happened to people that we lost. He had his own Pep Rally across town because he decided that his own personal ego, his own personal brand, is more important in the United States of america. The constitution that we all whereby this is why is cruiser to Joe Biden understand the fight before him . And this is why he has become more calcified in many statements. Hes become more aggressive than things like the vaccine rollout. It mandates as well as robert robert, you know, if i were to, if i could stay with you because we have diametrically opposed narratives here and thats, thats okay. Thats what i like on Cross Talk here. But do you think that agonizing, trump supporters is the way to go about it . I blossom. Im losing my patience is that Leadership Rhetoric because i think its called its very counterproductive. Go ahead continue. Robert. Or i think this is working with understand where america is that today, where you have people who are willing to take horse the worm are like ive come out with that. You know that robert, please. That one in exaggeration. You know that im surprised you go for that talking point. Ok. This is a, this is something that isnt what inter, nationally recognize for so many multiple purposes and, and defaulting to, that is not a fair characterization here. But let me hang on. Let me ramos, out of time, you go to london because i want to be conciliatory. I want to be that uniter. Ok. Its go back to london. What is Joe Biden need to do to reach across the aisle because it looks like hes just doesnt care. Maybe im wrong, maybe its an election ploy. And you said, you know, hes, you know, may not run for another 4 years. He probably wont. What, you know, its 2022 is coming up and its looking to be a bloodbath, and not in favor of the democrats. Go ahead in london. I think theres 2 things i would say, peter, one is that President Biden does operate, and Joe Biden before that as well. Thats all pretty. But this idea of grassroots bipartisanship. Yeah. And theyre in, within the infrastructure plans, although the 3 trillion. I think he wanted to go above the party politics and into the state with various kinds of infrastructure projects which create a healthier, more stable economy and quality. But the problem is that the future in terms of his political future lies with the handling of the pandemic. And if the pandemic continues to roy long than the political climate man is party is going to be very, very negative. So to some extent, losing patience in a way is backing the majority of the electorate population. But isnt it, but arent you say that i wanna finish with you . Isnt he saying im losing patience . Speak with the electorate in the media because my legacy is at stake. It seems to be very focused on Joe Biden, instead of really what its agenda should be finish up the point were going to the program. Go ahead. Well, as i said, any president , and i think this one in particular perhaps is looking at that place in history. And history is going to judge in 1020 years time. What did you do when you came in and you, you inherited all these crises . What did you do as a one of the most experienced politicians of this generation . And how did you handle it . And your name is going to be 25 2nd. Solely. Oh, go ahead. 25 seconds go. I looked at alternately. I think Joe Biden and his people were out there defending him, trying to make it seem like he didnt really foul up afghanistan, like all these issues were inherited from President Trump. I think its just been, he was not prepared. He did not have a proper agenda that was good for america, the Border Crisis and all the other problems that were having are an example of that. I think that next year the republicans will retake both chambers and in 2020 or whoever runs for the g o. P will be the next president. Okay, we end on that note. Many thanks them i guess in london, atlanta and invoke area. And thanks to our viewers for watching is here to see you next time. 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