The headline he has again, during the ons to africa affair involving his old company sunline. But dental spies and now is developed a striving business in private security. And he recently won that multi 1000000 pound contract. Well tim spices with me now. Tim. Good morning. Whats your summary of the situation in terms of Chaos Or Lauren order . I would advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection all sand me contract in iraq, we still have received Communication And Coordination for all the private security companies from the graph. The, the make the work a general in charge of all of the private contract at that point, the us military was the largest military presence in iraq. But i did get all the private military contract of spice to be in charge of the 2nd largest home for me. Spicer is a fairly well known figure. And british political and media circles me. But at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a Logistics Contracting Sell in virginia. Not in iraq by a group of you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. No knowledge of the different players and referred to him as a british guy. Me in the the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract and that the people that were working for him were so africans, and not american there was, there was furious when youre applying for these contracts, your bid will include you and your businesses, personal history. It doesnt say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign Ministers Job be just prisons in iraq was relatively standard for one video which was posted on youtube from the contract that who is following the gun while playing rock music, the i know lead to actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq . For me its, its the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. The very rapidly just became a huge company. And they need to spice me of helping me. Majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq, really in the iraq war, the president still before the enter, the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. S. As in iraq in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home in a brief ramona on a base on the edge of baghdad, the United States took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission, the u. S. Money was to be pulled out on the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. The company had to realize that they werent going to get that level of money. Again. I said i had to offer different packaging deals that they would have to hire cheapest soldiers. Me the money when no, no no, no more i. Ready want to. Ready ready go on as i go on after we meant to call home last night. I did my drug always use you. I see anything. You have you going sounds good. Anything else i need to give you my also you know, youre not trying to buy one message. Someones going to god, thank you so much. Im on an agenda and im going into the thing when i was just oh oh i. Busy oh all oh. Busy i, [000 00 00;00] i, [000 00 00;00] i all work undertaken by ages is carried out to the highest standards of professional competence and integrity. Our Track Record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. When we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time . And im playing off memory self, but im pretty good at that. It was about 1000. 00 to 1200. 00. And then, oh, i dont know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about 800. 00 a month. And wed ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. Rushed to the bottom is what some call it Y Y O gone. Its now vs provings in columbia county. So we dont have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because there are 2. 00 to 400. 00 less. And now on the most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st id heard of, well, well weve got a good strategy. Were using sierra leonean. So you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but 250. 00 a month . You know, i guess rhetorically. I dont expect an answer and you can go a little lower. Can we find someone . Its like well do it for boarding room. You know, that has such a terrible country that maybe theyll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. I mean, thats pretty inexpensive. I say that it sounds but seizures, but its real. Know you get what you pay for. Ah, i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. S. Meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. So the became the Status Quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners, iraqi people, for where they came from. One who they fought for. So some of that would be with the colombian marines, and i say i used to be with range in the uganda. And as you know, came out of the and an army. And the challenge that i was with when i spent a month and black water from pinochets private guard. And some of these countries are known for extremely brutal wars, whether its columbia severally own. And theres not a lot of discussion where did your life so long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. And sometimes you dont have to be in the army to meet this criteria. So the u. S. System and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. If you can, Mass Specification and your costs are lower than you in the job. The who make no borders and the line to tease you emerge. We dont have authority. We actually world leads to take action and be ready. People are judge, you know, crisis and we can do better, we should be better. Everyone is contributing each in her own way. But we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. The challenges for the response has been massive. So many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are together in the drug started as a way to come back, a great problem. Whats the wonder . Its part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and its got to be something that you could get elected. This time, the fight against drugs took a tragic, told us that andrew was competing short form. This is way too dangerous for him to be doing. Clearly they put him in harms way. A rural College Student does interest gets shot in the head and found in a river like that. Something else had to be happening and this so you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want. But you also majorly dilute the professionalism and the effectiveness of those. So the company is self interest, different than national interest. Companies are problematic is what they do. Thats natural. Except here were not creating toys. Are producing things that result in war. The what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american company . And thats janice. Who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that Person Fall under . We dont know international law such that it doesnt really have a category for arm civilians. The. So several governments, including the british and the government, decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these probably most of it should behave. International kind of contact was instigated or started by the federal and an international community. A group of companies and engineers and states got together and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies for companies with fine up to this code. Promising they would not violate, they would not commit human Rights Atrocity or not commit work crimes, etc. So you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. And by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms, the aim for terry to conduct you not work. The idea that a company would voluntarily confess crimes if committed abroad. Just why would they do . The reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of document i and about 15 countries, ive been involved in programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or its a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. But now we have governments like the u. S. Supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. The now i was born in i was a child my drug professional drug is weapon. Ah, at one time when the kids came into account, a Killer Lot of pollution pharmacies. I was in couple of looking down we had to exclusion. The 2nd place. I think about when people are down on the street, the explosion is sticking all over the city and ive anytime had gone short had a bone all watch a explosion. I think about my going to what happens. Yeah, before the 21st team for iraqi. Theyre more strict and, and that it to us. Yeah, sure. Remember, this is, and this is what happened in the people running into Gum Fighting for what that or like they want to try to for the you know, its not a good one because one and just push it as a mix up issues. And they seem like an actor for well as not young people unfairly on have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go, well we dont always remember one thing. Im the my stuff, my wife, when she, when i, when i have a web one, i should be in control when youre not in the west, its a weapon because im full on turn off. Which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers have been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to help people. I think its affection to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. It becomes very difficult to change. The mindset me is spacious, to say that theyve been carefully selected or that theyre, that its safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. Ah, you know, i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. And it pains me to see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. You know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. What were doing is were exploring people using young people whove been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. Nothing could be worse for these young people. Nothing could be worse for security. Me. Theres a close connection between this, this Industry And Policy makers. Me, private military firms. Really poach retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections and my case enemies. I formerly have measured by and i say that it shows its real and what you, me, ah, the Church Street will continue to act for government and youre going to see the private company between engaging in warfare me companies that are interesting, our country companies, on our money, news companies that are listed on our stuff to funded medical if your city and your government take selection that you dont agree with, you can vote that Government Town Company from your country is doing something you disagree with. The people carol long when did Soldier Or Marine shows up in this country . Do we start to ask yourself, why did they die . Why do what were they fighting for . Nobody bothers stamps by the contractors. Oh the who cares . Green there is nobody a die and come home in a Body Bag in denver, or over or whatever. Ah, every american who, sirs joins an unbroken line of heroes, am awed by their sacrifice. Ah, win, and give him in allowance. I am. Im not food. By doing what i may have coming to them, you come in and keep behind who got it. I dont know what they need. He got. Ah, ah no one in the street the contractors kills. Ah. Ah, still exercises is foreign policy. The use of Force And Violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. Oh, i you think that you get somebody from here earlier than that . Its really your money. Its your Tax Money doing it, but making sure the politicians are in trouble. Ah, military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. Ah, as part of ending a war responsibly, his standing by those who for the oh um ah, i me, ah, me in me. In on the september the 11th 2001 day that reshape to the modern world. I remember watching the World Trade Center burn on a tv at the cia and i was standing there like this just looking at it. And a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god, do they have any idea what theyve done . Were going to kill everybody now. Everybody, the, the live tv image is provoked the us into declaring its war on terror. Theyve begun to bomb up, can villages and holmes and get people hurt and, and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism. And then was it achieved . Yes and no. Okay. To essentially no longer exists. Good for us. But there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worsted on the head of the anniversary of 911 are seen as the last thing in the us led war on terror. Day well be hearing from a former, one of my prisoner was released after 14 years of unlawful Retention Id prefer crimes. Because if you are not american fashion or service, rotten say 30 clothes, an deteriorating mental health. Just some of the complaints raised by