A 1000000. 00 or just under that and was just soon that one of the large big american companies would win it, but it didnt work out that way. I kind of him spies the hit, the headline, and he has again, during the ons to africa affair involving his old company sunline. But general spies and now is developed a striving business in private security. And he recently won that multi 1000000 pound contract. Well tim spices with me now. Tim. Good morning. Whats your summary of the situation in terms of Chaos Or Lauren order . I would advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection all sand me contract in iraq, we still have seen Communication And Coordination for all the private security companies from the graph. The make that they were the general in charge of all the private contract at that point, the us military was the largest movie presents iraq. But i did get all of the private military contract. Spicer would expect to be in charge of the 2nd largest home for me. Spicer is a fairly well known figure, and british political and media circles me. But at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a Logistics Contracting Sell in virginia. Not in iraq by a group of you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. No knowledge of the different players and referred to him as a british guy. Me the the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract and that the people that were working for him were so africans, and not american. There was, there was a period when youre applying for these contracts. Your bid will include you and your business, his personal history. It doesnt say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost costs a foreign Ministers Job be just prisons in iraq was relatively spend the free of one video which was posted on youtube from the Aegis Contract Guy who is following that gun while playing rock music. The i love the no legal actions will take what do your weapons in this battle in iraq . For me its, its the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. The very rapidly just became a huge company. And they need to spice me of helping me majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. Really in the iraq war, the president s do before the enter, the mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. S. As in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling. War americans want the troops to come home in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the United States took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. The u. S. Money was starting to get pulled out of the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. The company had to realize that they werent going to get that level of money. Again. I said they had to offer different deals. Mm. That meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers. Ah yeah. Monday morning when no, no, no no i i was. Ready wondering. Ready ready when i go from there, okay, i meant to call my cell, you know, i did my drug use you. I see anything in your hobby going sounds good. Anything else i need to give you my also you know, youre not trying to buy one to mrs. Someones going to god, thank you so much of an agenda and im going into the thing when i was just the oh i i. Busy oh oh. Busy i, [000 00 00;00] i, [000 00 00;00] i all work undertaken by ages is carried out to the high standards of professional competence and integrity. Our Track Record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. When we 1st started into theater, we were brief on peruvian and colombian guards and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time . And im playing off memory self, but im pretty good at that. It was about 1000. 00 to 1200. 00. And then, oh, i dont know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about 800. 00 a month. And wed ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. Rushed to the bottom is what some call it Y Y O gone. Its now vs provings in columbia. So we dont have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because there are 2. 00 to 400. 00 less. And now on this most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st id heard of, well, weve got a good strategy. Were using sierra leonean. So you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but 250. 00 a month . You know, i guess rhetorically. I dont expect an answer and you can go a little lower. Can we find someone . Its like well do it for boarding room. You know, that has such a terrible country that maybe theyll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. I mean, thats pretty inexpensive. Id say that it sounds facetious, but its real. Know you get what you pay for. Ah, i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. S. Meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. So the became the Status Quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners, iraqi people, for where they came from and who they fought for. So. So that would be with the colombian marines. And i say i used to be with range in the uganda. And as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the chileans that i was with when i spent a month, and blackwater from pinochets private guard. And some of these countries are known for extremely brutal wars, whether its columbia severally own. And theres not a lot of discussion about where did your lack of stuff long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. And sometimes you dont have to be in the army to meet this criteria. So the u. S. System and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. If you can, mass has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job on the having alternate realities to experience or even live in like say, world warcraft. Those might be you know, especially during the panoramic where you can go anywhere in the game world, go everywhere, choose the game that you want, any open roll game, choose it, and you are now on a vacation in a place where youre like flying helicopters or youre youre on beaches, youre, youre in a city drive, you know, whatever you want, you name it these. These are getaways september, the 11th 2001 day that reshape to the modern world. I remember watching the World Trade Center burn on a tv at the cia and i was standing there like this just looking at it. And a colleague of mine was standing next to me and he said, my god, did they have any idea what theyve done . Were going to kill everybody now. Everybody, the, the live tv images promote the us into declaring its war on terror. Begin to bomb africa, villages on holders, and get people hurt and, and killed the main goal of destroying terrorism and then was it achieved . Yes. And no, okay, to essentially no longer exists good for us, but there are certainly other terrorist groups that are worse than i. So you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want. But you also majorly dilute. The professionalism and the effectiveness of those in the company is Self Interest is different than national interest. Companies are problematic, is what they do. Thats natural, except here, were not creating toys, were producing things that result in war. The what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american company in that janice, who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that Person Fall under . We dont know international law such that it doesnt really have a category for arms civilians the so 70 governments, including the british and the last government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these primarily should behave. Ready kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in n, joes and states got together. And they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. So companies would fine up to this code promising they would not violate that they would not commit human rights atrocities or not can make war crimes, etc. So you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. And by the way, the private military themselves got around the table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for. Conduct not work. The idea that a company would long, terribly confess, crimes, its committed abroad. Just why would they do . The reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents i and about 15 countries, ive been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or its a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. But now we have governments like the u. S. Supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. The now i was going to see i was a child my drug professional drug is weapon. Ah, at one time when the kids came into account, a killer, a lot of felicia fancies, hours and couple of looking now we had to exclude you on the 2nd place. I think about swallowing when people are down on the street. The explosion is sticking all over the city and anytime had gone short had a bomb or what a explosion. I think about my going to what happens. Yeah. Before the went to the Refresh Team for iraqi. Theyre more strangers and and it to us. Yeah. Money member what happened instead i know the people running in Gum Fighting for what that or like they want to try to for anita. Ah you know, hes not good. Whats because money and just push it as a mix up issues. Ready and they seem like an act, a friend, well as not young people unfairly and have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant Seeds Violence wherever they go, well we dont always remember one thing. Im my stuff, my wife, when i, when i have a web one, i should be in control when you are not in the work. Because im full on tunnel. Which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers. Ive been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. I think its a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. I very difficult to change the mindset me is spacious, to say that theyve been carefully selected or that theyre, that its safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. I spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. And it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. You know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. What were doing is were exploring people using young people whove been child soldiers, deliberately sung in them into the jaws of combat and further violence. Nothing could be worse for these young people. Nothing could be worse for security. Me as a close connection between this, this Industry And Policy makers, me private military firms, really poach a retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections and my case is really not enemy. I formally havent measured by i say that it shows that its real. You get what you pay for me. Ah, the Church Street will continue to act for government and youre going to see the private company between engaging in warfare. Me, companies that are interesting in our country, companies on our money, new companies that allows us to fund mentally, if your city and your government take selection that you dont agree with, you can vote that Government Town Company from your country to doing something. You disagree with the people, Carol Lock one or did Soldier Or Deb marine shows up in this country . Do we start to ask yourself, why did they die . Why do what were they fighting for . Nobody bothers down by the contractors. Oh the who cares . Mean theres nobody going to die and come home in a Body Bag in denver, or over or whatever. Ah, every american who, sirs joins an unbroken line of heroes, am awed by their sacrifice. Ah, winning get them in the book. Im not food. My doing would have coming it down. Youre committing behind or who did he got it . I dont know what they need. He got ah, ah no one in the street contractors killed. Ah. Ah, still exercises is foreign policy. The use of Force And Violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. Ah, you think that you can get somebody from here in kingston. Its really your money. Its your Tax Money doing it, but making sure the politicians are in trouble. Ah. Military directors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. Ah, Thats Part of ending a war responsibly is standing by those who fought it. The oh um ah, i me. Ah ah ah, in me ah ah ah ah ah ah ah, the way the us government funded is through the issue of Treasury Bond and they pay the interest on those bonds by collecting taxes. Who owns most of those bonds . Virtually all those bonds, the top 110th the one percent. So the government simply becomes a pass through mechanism for people to pay money from their pockets through Something Called Taxes that are just a thickly that hides the Transgression Mechanism of your money through the government into those who own these bond. The the news the ahead of the 911 on the Verse Ray R t commemorates the enduring impact of the us led war on terror. Today well be hearing from