At the below the bull bull economy. Say whats happening as the goal low ball bang, perpetuate their local money print thing. The the a dime action or to senior what youre going underground, the team and i are away at the moment, but well be back for a new series on september the 8th until then well be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show as human rights watch in the americas claims pro, tests in the world, cocaine, capital of columbia, have seen a level of Police Violence previously unknown and latin america. What is britains role and why have you soldiers being in columbia apparently . And why is china responded to, nor intelligence, readings in london in washington. The corrosion of ours is going to love by pointing to a us of oratory, 50 miles from what has all this more coming up in todays going underground refers to british intelligence officials quoted across media here that is feasible, coded 1900 started in the lab, in china, this is news emerges from vietnam of a new devastating anglo indian variant of corona vice. Join me now. Last guy for North Hampton and massachusetts, his Executive Director of the tri continental institute, social research, and author of washington, bullets, v. J. Prussia, thanks so much for coming by gone, i should say, the chief of the general staff, the more called in smith, hasnt been on this program is joe here at the m i 6 link royal united services and few today about warfare. I mean, sure to come up is how the enemies of this country are china and russia, its repeated on and on. What do you make of these new ca on that side of the bond . And am i 6 room is that china created Corona Virus and the lab . Well firstly, actually its great to be with you. Im glad to see that you are a heavy and sharp as ever look, this is not a new allegation. This allegation goes right back to early 2020. When the Trump Administration began to circulate a set of rumors that perhaps the wanting to do. The ology or some other lab had leaked this virus that it had nothing to do with human encroachment in nature. Repeatedly this messaging has return, despite the fact that its been pretty well debunked by the world health organization. But other people who looked at it pretty closely, its not just the ca, david, but trask. Former us general started talking about the need for, you know, protocols on an international scale. It kind of just as the chemical Weapons Treaty has a formal surveillance of places that have chemical manufacturing, they should be similar. You may, theyve broken down in recent years, and david portray is, im not sure given that he had to resign and his grace is the best source for any information. He has no credibility, but what he was saying essentially was once more winking and nodding and suggesting that this has something to do with chemical weapons manufacturing. But have all of this has been repeatedly debunked. But the biden administration picking up just where the Trump Administration left off by me and i suppose we have to admit that it is feasible such as everything is feasible in science. But i think whats different, and weve talked on this program about the, the way the chinese officials now respond to anthony blinking in anchorage. And the way that now joined his foreign ministry, spoke with jose. So quick not to just quietly say you well, you know, thats an american point of view. So quick to point to fort dietrich, just 50 miles away from washington, d. C. And say what . And that has been going on in your Germ Warfare laboratory. What did you make of this chinese response to the by the ministration allegations . Where look, ive followed chinese diplomacy for years. I remember meeting chinese diplomats in the middle east. They used to be so cautious on the Word Stage and theyd always talk about every country has the right to its own internal affairs. One should not interfere and so on. In recent years, you dont see that you see what you know has been called as with diplomacy, you know, this much more aggressive form of reacting to us pressure in latin america. Weve seen ambassadors right in the breast in last year, the ambassador and she lay, for instance, wrote in carrying cord on bill, my bill and the secretary of state, a liar, much more aggressive responding. You know, the chinese, it seems to me, i have had enough of it at anchorage, alaska and in the blink and open the meeting, the 1st Meeting at the highest level of the biden administration, with the chinese government by insulting the chinese, i mean, you know, instead of saying, look, welcome to alaska, alaska. The Gate Grid is here for the United States. If you look on a clear day, you can see moscow from anchor instead of the pleasantry blinking comes then. And just inside the chinese thing, you dont understand the rules based World Order rules based world or where now listening to this from the country, the prosecutor, the illegal walk in iraq and etc counselor, one just hit back hard at that meeting. And then what are you talking about rules based on what the rules of you followed. One reason for this confidence in the china has been able now finally to be able to defend its border. Very important, this psychological aspect. You see, you see not only us shipping during the so called freedom of navigation moves in the south china sea, but now the h m, as queen elizabeth, is going to join. You have german ships, french naval vessels in the, off the course of korea. And so on, the chinese, the thing were going to defend a border, were not going to dig this lying down. They used to be a theory early option about, you know, the traffic malacca, the straits of malacca, the chinese fed oil particularly could be at any point cut off. Theyre not so dependent anymore because of the bed and road. Its because of the ability of the chinese to drive and economic project that seems to be much more successful than the economic projects in europe in the u. K. In the us and so on. Well, british viewers can be assured that the Mars Johnson Government Center Worship there to protect british interests. Obviously, i mean, not, not everyone who is a journalist, read your books, perhaps, and read your most recent one washington bullet. But when this ruler of the chinese lab booker, of ours came out, is it just expected from the authorities . Whether it be an m, i 6 around the corner from here, or in langley, at the ca, that the reporters will just flip from trump, is an idiot. Why the saying its under warranty to bide and says it could be it . Well, it may well be a communist corona, virus virus. Well, i mean the office and i looked out of the window and ive seen the Mit Building and it presents a very formidable view from where you are sitting. So i hope they listen to this just because you and am i 6 say something doesnt mean that the rest of us in the world believe it. You know, we are not that credit. We are not still full of the Security State in the west. We would like to look at the Evidence And Id like, id prefer to listen to epidemiologists who look at the evidence. Youve looked at the sequencing of this particular virus. And they understand that the sequencing of the virus demonstrates that its much more likely to have developed by moving between various animals, and then eventually leaping to human. Then leaping out of dest, you, and yet, the intelligence services continue to speak in that language. Of course, its true that, you know, journalists who are liberals will say, look, trump was a little not be, but in biden said, you know, the mander in that m, i think, said this, probably more credibility. Why listen to them . Why not listen to the scientists . If only bars, johnson listened to the science early in 2020, if only drum listen to the science in early 20 plenty. While im now asking fellow journalists why not talk to the scientists to learn about whats in the d n. A sequence of the virus getting that a little, let them tell you about that. Dont listen. The briefings from, you know, the shadow is from intelligence services where they are disparaging the science in order to make a political point. Well Jump And Johnson say theyve done the best they can johnsons and allison inquiry, which may start next next year. What about this chinese allegation . People come watch our interview about m k ultra, and relations to Germ Warfare. At 240 drake on youtube channel. I think just give us a rundown of why the United States has 600 buildings on 13000 acres badly in the W H. I havent looked into it. Do you think the usa will ever open for the trick, which the cdc shut down in september . Was it august 2019 . Just as of nowadays. Now we discover some sightings of Corona Virus around the world. Well, i dont know if its really shut down because these are sites that are not inspected by independent observance. Theres a lot of evidence option. Going back to the 19th century on various forms of chemical and biological weaponry produced by the United States government. Theres a lot of Evidence Theyve used it. I mean, forgot to say, we forget that in vietnam, the United States use chemical weapons against that population. By which i mean nipple. If the next was thing after a nuclear bomb, they would perchance, can say whatever he wants about the need for surveillance of biological, you know, manufacturing of different kinds of potential weaponry. When the u. S. Has never allowed inspections of any of it sites. So i mean, im not confident that anything is actually shut down and i dig the chinese accusation seriously. You know, its One Thing to accept or the government says, and, you know, believe that they are being completely honest and that theyre being, you know, genuine about what theyre saying. As its another to allowing dependent inspections. Lets remember what iraq was made to do in the 1990 s. When people like hands, blake and others went from side to side inspecting things. I look forward to the day when side such as this are opened up in the United Kingdom. Lets go and investigate the United Kingdom on chemical weapons and job weapons, barges. Perhaps the exist. We dont know whats good for the goose has never been good for the gander. You remember the early part of the trumpet administration, they use the mother of all bonds, and journalists were not permitted to go to the site to see what had happened. Their journalists was stop. We were given breast gods by the pentagon, the how to report that story. Most of the reporting is identical. Just finally, briefly invite to were going to be talking about colombia and britons links to what will happen in colombia very briefly, because i havent seen you spoken to since about what happened in ecuador, where pro american has been elected. Hopes that a pink time may be returning, weve now seen the fake corruption as it turns out. Allegations against luna overturned, Weve Seen Changes in bolivia and we see madura continuing to lead venezuela. You know, there are several elections that are going to be on the horizon very important. On sunday, early june, youre going to see an election. The 2nd round in barrow at federal castillo, a man of the left, a man, a School Teacher from rural bare room, most likely is going to win the election in triumph over the daughter of mister fuji morty, who was the dictator in the 1990. Very significant in november, daniel hardly a member of the communist party and will be the candidate of the left on sure that he is the head of any other candidate in chile. This is really significant, but the place to look at, you know, option is columbia, where this Gun Violence at the center being golly, is being used by the government of even do k did try and deliver it to my next Years President ial candidate goes down. There thing to do, kid accusing him of, of ism, of associations with violence and so on. This is disturbing because mr. Mr dukes and his predecessor rebate, have a history of trying to deal legitimize the left in order to have a triumphant return to ball. I dont know which i think that ive seen, i dont know if its any kind of tied, but certainly something is happening in south america. And im really glad that its being covered by the borders like yourself and your present. Thank you. Thanks a lot. After the break, that job mounts in the world go to cocaine, country columbia. Why is the british army helping security forces 5000 miles from london, that human rights groups blame for mass slaughter. All the more coming up about to have going undergrad. Ah, join me every 1st on the Alex Simon show. When i was speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business. Im show business. Ill see you then. Mm. The welcome back. Its been every month since protest began in the worlds largest cocaine, produce a columbia wherever a quarter of the population are living in poverty. Now Theres News of schools killed up to britain about the sent soldiers to aid the Countries Security forces. Joining me now from here in brazil as s no historian and political Science Professor at the national university of Columbia Meeting for Hilton Forest i. Ive got a message from the british ministry of defense saying there are military personnel in the embassy in columbia and less than 10 officials. And we have previously foreign office. He has a fewer than 10 members of the u. K. Armed forces deployed to columbia know that youre going to tell me whats been happening in columbia, but i should just say the Board Johnson last 3 to columbia was its committed to an impressive 51 Percent Reduction in carbon emissions by 2030 together. We can build greener. I welcome president. Even duke as leadership, welcoming him maybe to glasgow this year. Whats been happening there . Well, the 1st Thing Id say about that is that, you know, in terms of british forces being in columbia, in any capacity, i assume that theyre just simply a supplementary force as a so often the case to a much larger u. S. Force. And the u. S. Committed a pretty impressive amount of resources to beating up the columbia Armed Forces and police in columbia, in the war against our rebels. And now that War Machine, the United States, that the United States helped build up as being on leave against on arm civilian demonstrators in all colombia, major cities. And most of its towns goes back decades. Britain, training. I mean, theres been parody 2100000 in something called the police innovation. So stabilisation training in columbia and so on. But, but i mean human rights watch Americas Director seriously saying that the scale of the Police Violence has not been seen in latin america. Tell me what youre hearing, that human rights, what can be saying that the levels of violence can be that, that severe . So the 6 i have on this come from human Rights N G o in columbia, that has been compiling the statistics in this started on April 28th and what they have so far, and they tend to be conservative in their numbers because theres a lot and its not being registered so they can only go with whats actually been registered 3405 acts of Police Violence altogether. Busy in the space of the month. So right, thats over a 100 a day. Theres been 43 homicides that have been committed by members of the police or civilian, inspiring alongside of police and in coordination with police. Theres been 1145 arbitrary arrests. 47. 00 people have been blinded in one eye because the anti riot police are using these tear gas canisters, but then firing them at fairly close range of peoples heads. And then 22 women have been, as far as i know, its been all women victims of sexual violence at the hands of the police will the national police who ride around on their motorcycles, terrorizing people and shooting at them as well as the police look like the sort of global cops that used to be featured in Science Fiction movies, while the colombian government denies it, we can verify the figures you youve just said. And if you look at the british government website, columbia is a great place for doing business because the World Bank is saying is the 35th best country in the world to do business. Just take us back as to why the latest approaches of occurred and led to as your and geo claims, such a level of extreme violence from the authorities that okay, so the government introduced a regressive Tax Package that would have really come down are the official figures that the colombian government has, or the number of people living in poverty is 42. 5 percent. And that is for sure of conservative figure. But at least that many people live in poverty and a number of them were going to be hit with a whole range of taxes, including taxes on basic staples and then fuel. But then also taxes on their salaries. And as a result of the demick in which, you know, people havent received any kind of emergency funds of the sort that has been seen elsewhere. People are really, they were frankly, at the edge of survival before the pandemic. And thats why there was a national general strike in 2019, in order to reject regressive tax measures, which favored multinational corporations and the banking sector. And then this regressive Tax Package is, was introduced on top of sort of the, the free fall disaster. That, that the pandemic is represented for the majority of colombians, poverty shut up 7 percent officially in just one year as a result of this pandemic. So people that the majority of the population lives on the edge of survival. Ready and when people began going without a meal, and so when they saw that they were going to have to pay the fact that they knew they simply couldnt. And that they had to protest just in order to survive at the levels that theyre at. Now, they have also forced the withdraw because that measure was immediate withdrawn. Theyve also force the withdrawal of a regressive Health Care Reform measure, which would Rebuttal Columbia even further along us lines, which is to say, is the consumer of healthcare services who ends up paying you know, the bulk of the found, the entire Health Care System is set up by the british root re where as a means of privatizing existing Health Care resources that drew it is the case that the system is already largely private. And that in many regions of the country, the Health Care sector is run by neo paramilitary mafia. Theyre involved in guns, trafficking, and cocaine trafficking, and murder and disappearance. See all kinds of barbarity of this. What weve been seeing in the cities happens in the countryside because a minority of the population live in the countryside and people, or in our lives in the countryside. We rarely hear about whats happening in the cities, and its being captured on video. But columbias economic model has led to some of the highest levels of inequality in the entire world. And its simply not sustainable anymore. And even kind of international financial agencies like the World Bank and the I M F said to the colombian government, coming out of the Peace Process with the park, the armed rebels in the countryside. This was signed at the end of 2016. Coming out of the Peace Process. The international financial agency said, listen, you have to increase social spending on things like Health Care and education. The kind of fundamentalist neoliberalism which allows for, you know, only cuts and only austerity is not sustainable in the current social climate in columbia. So the colombian government has known for some time that it needed to beef up investment in Health Care in education. And students have been striking, get greater resources for education, but the state refused to do so. The plan is to continue the privatization that as you pointed out, will be gone under albert, or even when Hes President of 2002 to 2010. Its also important to point out that when he was president , according to these new courts that had been set up to hear these kinds of cases, the special jurisdiction for peace is what they call these court. According to these courts, there are claims of young men being disappeared by the columbia, an army, in order to boost the body of guerrillas killed him. Combat these people were not killed in combat. They were civilians, not guerrillas, and they would disappear by the army. And then it happened both when George W Bush was president , and when obama was president. So this was a systematic practice by the me, an army. When i was president , you, when it comes to latin america, britain have Boss Johnson hosted one. Why do once to overthrow the government on venezuela . Neighboring country . Youre telling me theyre all the human rights abuses in a country that has britains ally. Britain has security, cooperation, allows arms to be sent there. And of course, its in the front night of the so called war on drugs. Any, any evidence to suggest that all this money from an subsidy from United States from britain, from European Union countries, is actually aiding Cocaine Production and cocaine distribution. Well, heres the, heres the fact of the Matter Plan Colombia by the United States. It was 1st introduced under clinton and then beat up under bush and essentially continued in, in different guys under obama. Ready more than a 1000000000. 00 was spent in order to reduce Cocaine Production by half. Okay. Production is that record levels according to the un, and other agencies, passive monitoring these things. So in terms of ec stated goals, all of the sort of anti drug efforts have failed dramatically. And that makes you wonder if the Policy Failure has been so dramatic decade after decade and the cocaine treated Ap Record levels. Ready you know, why is there no room for rethink of those policies . And i mean, no One Thing the motive, because i had a goodly suddenly some of the financial Services Industry takes cocaine and theyre the ones supporting the liberal privatization. Presumably his motivation here is, is columbia and norco state under, under this man, even do k. And do you think hes using the current violence to try and call off elections next year . Is that, is that what the uptake is about to stop a progressive being elected the, you know, its difficult because let me pride the civilian democracy. It only had military dictatorship for the very period in the 1900 east, throughout the 20th century. And i would be surprised if collections did not block like Flock Work in the sense of, you know, according to the calendar. However, the kinds of Slot And Wireless that might more those elections as another question altogether. And if we look back to the previous electoral site in the 21st century, we can certainly see where Fraud And Violence have played an important role. Namely, in electing, ill believe, as president and reelect in 2000. So i think we can expect that every means possible will be used in order to stop the progressive candidates winning in 202242 percent of the board in 2018, which was historic, but the columbia left, which has never gotten above St Digits before, and now this has happened and the only response to the government is increased militarization and you know, increase spending on things like tear gas canisters for the ryan police. But its not working. Theres an entire generation which is said, were not we, theyve taken everything from us. We have enough that we dont even have beer anymore because weve been out here for a month and they have been shooting at us and their particular neighborhoods that you can point to places like Hollywood Epic Epicenter of this particular nationwide uprising. And you can see where theyre being shot at every night. And so after a month of that, what you have is the generation of young people. Ready who have learned to see the state as a War Machine on against them, even though they have no weapons and theyre just trying to defend the neighborhood in which they live. So its really dramatic situation and the inter american human Rights Commission is finally going to be able to get into columbia to investigate some of these things. The Vice President and the chancellor of columbia has suggested that that should be a guided visit, a guided tour. She also said in washington that there was only one person missing in all of this, i disappeared people and in fact according to leading and yo, theres 346 people. Whereabouts are not accounted for . There have been bodies appearing, tortured and murdered in rivers and elsewhere. So it will be really important to find out just how many disappeared people there are. But in order for that to happen, there has to be independent human rights investigations, which up until now, colombian government has been unwilling to prove to permit but you can see by the figure used by the Vice President chancellor watching. Oh, theres only one person missing. Oh, you can come check it out. Well give you a guided tour. The colombian government is essentially in disneyland when it comes to the reaction of the international community to this because the European Union, even members of congress in the United States, have been pretty loud and clear about the fact that the bloodshed needs to stop the government needs to rein in its Police Force and sit down and negotiate and dialog protesters. And thats, of course, with the protests are demanding as well. However, there doesnt seem to be much opposition from the, by the white house to whats going on and the u. S. Would be able to restrict both police and military to columbia and could even threaten some sort of economic sanctions as it would with any government it considered its enemy. But because columbia is considered the closest ally or one of the closest allies in the hemisphere, the message so far has been rather mixed about Police Violence and beneath stopping well. And he did meet Vice President Mother Ramirez and said there should be some going to support for, for protest. The colombian government denies all wrong doing, but Professor Forest healthy. Thank you very much. Thats it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for brand new season. Still uncovering the stories varied by the so called mainstream media until then, keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who youd like to see. On the next season of going undergrad. Ah, join me every 1st day on the alex summon show and ill be speaking to guess in the world, the politics, sport, Business And Show business. Ill see you then me the top headlines with us our live on our t to us lashes out at Isis K enough. Gonna stand drones dry kills 2 of his operatives and leaves one more wounded. It is the 1st Reprisal for thursdays couple. Airport bombing in which the philippine americans were among the many killed and shot the fighting carpal. 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