The barrel, seem to have tapped into something that children throughout the world can understand and relate to. And with all the stories its told and has yet to tell, hopefully it will make these children better people and along the way, leave some lasting impressions. Now its all, but i said for the solid thanks for joining us on. We hope see you soon. Ah. Ah, the the, the news im Action Or Town senior, whats going underground . The team and i are away at the moment, but well be back for a new series on september the 8th until then well be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show as human rights watch in the americas claims protest in the world cocaine, capital of columbia have seen a level of Police Violence previously unknown in latin america. What is britains role and why have you, soldiers been in columbia . Apparently . And why is china responded to, nor it intelligence readings in london in washington . The Corona Virus is going to love by pointing to a us of oratory, 50 miles from one has all the more coming up in today is going underground, refers to british intelligence officials quoted across media here that is feasible. Cobra, 1900, started in the lab in china. This is news emerges from vietnam of new devastating anglo indian variant of corona via join me. Now the last guy for North Hampton in massachusetts, is executive director of the tri continental institute. Social Research And Author of washington, bullets, v. J for shod. Thanks so much. Would you ever coming back gone . I should say, the chief of the general staff called in Smith Hasnt been on this program. Hes joking at the m, i 6 link royal united services and few today about warfare. I mean, sure to come up is how the enemies of this country of china and russia, its repeated on and on. What do you make of these new ca on that side of the bond . And i may 6 rumors that china created Corona Virus in the lab. Well firstly, actually its great to be with you. Im glad to see that youre a heavy and sharp as ever. Look, this is not a new allegation. This allegation goes right back to early 2020. When the Trump Administration began to circulate a set of rumors that perhaps the wanting to do to virology or some other lab had leaked this virus that it had nothing to do with human encroachment in nature. Repeatedly this messaging has return, despite the fact that its been pretty well debunked by the world health organization. But other people who looked at it pretty closely, its not just the ca, david, but trask. Former us general started talking about the need for, you know, protocols on an international scale. It kind of just says the chemical Weapons Treaty has a formal surveillance of places that have chemical manufacturing. They should be broken down in recent years and david betray us. Im not sure given that he had to resign and his grace is the best source for any information. He has no credibility, but what he was saying essentially was once more winking and nodding. And suggesting that this has something to do with chemical weapons manufacturing, but have all of this has been repeatedly debunked. But the biden administration picking up just where the Trump Administration left off by me. And i suppose we have to admit that it is feasible such as everything is feasible in the, in science. But i think whats different and we talked on this program about the, the way the chinese officials now respond to anthony blinking in anchorage. And the way that now join is foreign ministry spokesman job. And so quick not to just quietly say you well, you know, thats an american point of view. So quick to point to for dietrich, just 50 miles away from Washington Dc and say want to know that theres been going on in your Germ Warfare laboratory. What did you make of this chinese response to the, by the administration allegations . Well look, ive followed chinese diplomacy for years. I remember meeting chinese diplomats in the middle east. They used to be so cautious on the word stage. You know, theyd always talk about every country has the right to its own internal offense once youre not interfered. And so on, in recent years, you dont see that you see what you know has been called as will diplomacy. You know, this much more aggressive form of reacting to us pressure in latin america. Weve seen a massive as right in the breast in last year at the ambassador and she live for instance, wrote in carrying cord on bill mike on bill and 2nd, still liar, much more aggressive responding. You know, the chinese, it seems to me option ive had enough of it at Anchorage Alaska and to me blinking open the meeting, the 1st Meeting at the highest level of the biden administration, with the chinese government by insulting the chinese, i mean, you know, instead of saying look, welcome to alaska, alaska, the gateway, the easier for the United States. If you look on a clear day, you can see moscow from anchor instead of the pleasantry blinking comes then, and just inside the chinese thing, you dont understand the rules based world order. No rules based world or where now listening to this from the country, the prosecutor, the illegal walk in iraq and etc counselor, one just hit back hard of that meeting. And then what are you talking about rules based on what the rules of you followed. One reason for this confidence in the china has been able now finally to be able to defend its border. Very important, this psychological aspect. You see, you seem not only us shipping during the so called freedom of navigation moves in the south china sea, but now the ha, my Queen Elizabeth is going to join. You have german ships, french naval vessels in there, off the course of korea. So on the chinese, the thing know were going to defend a border, were not going to dig this lying down. They used to be a theory early option about, you know, the traffic malacca, the straits of malacca, the chinese fed oil particularly could be at any point cut off. Theyre not so dependent anymore because of the bed and road. Its because of the ability of the chinese to drive and economic project that seems to be much more successful than the economic projects in New York in the u. K. In the us and so on. Well, british viewers can be assured that the Maurice Johnson Government has sent worship there to protect british interests. Obviously, i mean, not, not everyone whos a journalist, read your books, perhaps havent read your most recent one washington bullets. But when this ruler of the chinese lab Corona Virus came out, is it just expected from the authorities . Whether it be in my 6 around the corner from here or in langley, at the ca, that the reporters will just flip from trump is an idiot. Why the saying its the board to bite and says it could be it well may well be a communist corona, virus virus. Well, i mean the office and i looked out of your windows and ive seen the Mit Building and it presents some very formidable view from where you are sitting. So i hope they listen to this just because you had them, i think say something doesnt mean that the rest, the less than the world. Believe it, you know, we are not that critical as we are not still not on the security stayed in the west. We would like to look at the Evidence And Id like, id prefer to listen to me ologist to look at the evidence, who looked at the think of this particular virus. And they understand that the sequencing of the virus demonstrates that its much more likely to have developed by moving between various animals, and then eventually leaping to human. Then leaping out of dest, you, and yet, the intelligence services continue to speak in that language. Of course, its true that you know, journalists who are liberals will say, look, trump was a little not be, but in biden, said it are, you know, the manner in that am, i think, said this probably more credibility. Why listen to them . Why not listen to the scientists if only bars . Johnson listened to the science early in 2020, if only from listen to the science in early 2020. Well, im now asking fellow journalists, why not talk to the scientists to learn about whats in the d n, a sequence of the virus. Getting that a little, let them tell you about that. Dont listen to the briefings from, you know, the shadows from intelligence services, where they are disparaging the science in order to make a political point. Well Jump And Johnson say theyve done the best. They can johnsons and inquiry which may start next, next year. What about this chinese allegation . People could watch our interview about m, k ultra, and the relations to Germ Warfare at 240 drake, on youtube channel. I mean, just give us a rundown of why the United States has 600 buildings on 13000 acres, apparently in the W H. I havent looked into it. Do you think the u. S. A will ever open for the trick, which the cdc shut down in september. Was it august 2019 just as the nowadays. Now we discover some sightings of Corona Virus around the world. Well, i dont know if its really shut down because these are the sites that are not inspected by independent observers. Theres a lot of evidence option. Going back to the 900 actually of various forms of chemical and biological weaponry produced by the United States government. Theres a lot of Evidence Theyve used it. I mean, forgot to say, we forget that in vietnam, the United States use chemical weapons against that population. By which i mean nipple. If the next was thing after a nuclear bomb, they would project can say whatever he wants about the need for surveillance of biological, you know, manufacturing of different kinds of potential weaponry. When the u. S. Has never allowed inspections of any of it sites. So i mean, im not confident that anything is actually shut down and i dig the chinese accusation seriously. You know, its One Thing to accept or the government says, and, you know, believe that they are being completely honest and that they are being, you know, genuine about what theyre saying as its another to allow independent inspection. Lets remember what iraq was made to do in the 1990 s. When people like hands, blake and others went from side to side inspecting things. I look forward to the day when side such as this are opened up in the United Kingdom. Lets go and investigate the United Kingdom on chemical weapons and john weapons, largest bass. They exist. We dont know whats good for the goose has never been good for the gander. You remember the early part of the trumpet administration, they use the mother of all bonds, and of journalists were not permitted to go to the site to see what had happened. Their journalists was stop. We were given breast gods by the pentagon about how to report that story. Most of the reporting is identical. Just find the briefly invite to were going to be talking about colombia and britons links to what will happen in columbia. Very briefly, because i havent seen spoken to you since about what happened in ecuador, where pro american is we and elected hopes that pink tied maybe turning weve now as female, the fake corruption. As it turns out, allegations against luna overturned, Weve Seen Changes in bolivia and we see Madura Oak continuing to lead venezuela. You know, there are several elections that are going to be on the horizon. Very important. On sunday, early june, youre going to see an election the 2nd round in fair federal castillo, a man of the left, a man, a School Teacher from rural pharaoh most likely is going to win the election in triumph over the daughter of mister fuji morty, who was the dictator in the 1990, very significant in november, daniel hardly a member of the communist party and will be the candidate of the left all sure that he is the head of any other candidate in chile. This is really significant, but the place to look at, you know, option is columbia, where this Gun Violence at the center being golly, is being used by the government of even do k to try and deliver to my next Years President ial candidate goes down there, famous to do good accusing him of him, of associations with violence and so on. This is disturbing because mister miss even do k and his predecessor rebate. Have a history of trying to deal legitimize the left in order to have a triumphant return to power. I dont know which i think that option. I dont know if its any kind of tied, but certainly something is happening in south america and im really glad that its being covered by the borders like yourself could you present . Thank you. Thanks a lot. After the break that told mountain the wells go to cocaine, country columbia. Why is the british army helping security forces 5000 miles of london, that human rights groups claim for Mass Slaughter . All the small coming up about to have going undergrad . The showing me every 1st day on the Alex Simon show and ill be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. Business. Im show business. Ill see you then in the welcome back. Its been ever months since protest began in the worlds largest cocaine. Produce a columbia wherever a quarter of the population are living in poverty. Now Theres News of school is killed off of britain about the sent you k soldiers to aid the Country Security forces. Joining me now from here in brazil is f no historian and political Science Professor at the national university of Columbia City in forest, hilton forest. I. Ive got a message from the british ministry of defense saying there are military personnel in the embassy in columbia in less than 10 officials. And we have previously foreign office. He has fewer than 10 members of the u. K. Armed forces deployed to columbia know that youre going to tell me whats been happening in columbia, but i should just say that birth johnson, last 3 to columbia, was it committed to an impressive 51 Percent Reduction in carbon emissions by 2030 together . We can build greener. I welcome president. Even duke as leadership, welcoming him maybe to glasgow this year. Whats been happening there . Well, the 1st Thing Id say about that is that, you know, in terms of british forces being in columbia, in any capacity, i assume that theyre just simply a supplementary force, as its so often the case to a much larger u. S. Force. And the u. S. S, i committed a pretty impressive amount of resources to beating up the columbia Armed Forces and police in columbia, in the war against armed rebels. And now that War Machine, the United States, that the United States helped build up as being on lease against on arm civilian demonstrators in all colombia, major cities. And most of its towns goes back decades. Britain, training. I mean, theres been apparently 2100000 in something called the police innovations for Stabilisation Training in columbia and so on. But, but i mean, human rights watch Americas Director seriously saying that the scale of the Police Violence has not been seen in latin america. Tell me what youre hearing, that human rights, what can be saying that the levels of violence can be that, that severe . So the 6 i have on this come from human Rights N G o in columbia, that has been compiling nice. It just extend this started on April 28th and what they have so far, and they tend to be conservative in their numbers because theres a lot and its not being registered. So they can only go with whats actually been registered. 3405. 00 acts of Police Violence altogether in the space of the month. So right, thats over a 100 a day. Theres been 43 homicides that have been committed by members of the police or civilian, inspiring alongside of police and in coordination with police. Theres been 1145 arbitrary arrests. 47. 00 people have been blinded in one eye because the anti riot police are using these tear gas canisters, but then firing them fairly close range of peoples heads. And then 22 women have been, as far as i know, its been all women victims of sexual violence at the hands of the police. Well, the national police right around their motorcycle, terrorizing people and shooting at them as well as the police look like the sort of global cops that used to be featured in science fiction. Well, the colombian government denies it. We can verify the figures you youve just said, and if you look at the british government website, columbia is a great place for doing business because the World Bank is saying is the 35th best country in the world to do business. Just take us back as to why the latest approaches of occurred and led to as your and geo claims, such a level of extreme violence from the authorities that okay, so the government introduced a regressive Tax Package that would have really come down are on the official figure that the colombian government has for the number of people living in poverty is 42. 5 percent. And that is for sure, a conservative figure, but at least that many people. Ready live in poverty and a number of them. Were going to be hit with a whole range of taxes, including taxes on basic staples, and then fuel. But then also taxes on their salaries. And as a result of the Pan Demik in which, you know, people havent received any kind of emergency funds of the sort that has been seen elsewhere. People are really, they were frankly, at the edge of survival before the pandemic. And thats why there was a national general strike in 2019, in order to reject regressive tax measures, which favored multinational corporations and the banking sector. And then this regressive Tax Package is, was introduced on top of sort of the free fall disaster. That, that the pandemic is represented for the majority of colombians, poverty shut up 7 percent officially in just one year as a result of the panoramic. So people that the majority of the population lives on the edge of survival. Ready and when people began going without a meal, and so when they saw that they were going to have to pay the fact that they knew they simply couldnt. And that they had to protest just in order to survive at the levels that theyre at. Now, they have also forced the withdraw because that measure was immediate, withdrawn. Theyve also for the withdrawal of a regressive Health Care Reform measure, which would remodel columbia even further along us lines. Which is to say, is the consumer of healthcare services who ends up paying, you know, the bulk of the found that the entire Health Care System is set up by the previous route or anywhere as a means of privatizing existing Health Care resources that true. It is the case that the system is already largely privatized, and that in many regions of the country, the Health Care sector is run by neo paramilitary mafia. Theyre involved in guns, trafficking, and cocaine trafficking, and murder and disappearance. See all kinds of barbarity of this. What weve been seeing in the cities happens in the countryside because a minority of the population live in the countryside and people, or in our lives in the countryside. We rarely hear about now its happening in the cities and its being captured on video. But columbias economic model has led to some of the highest levels of inequality in the entire world. And its simply not sustainable anymore. And even kind of international financial agencies like the World Bank and the I M F said to the colombian government, coming out of the Peace Process with the park, the armed rebels in the countryside. This was signed at the end of 2016. Coming out of the Peace Process. The international financial agency said, listen, you have to increase social spending on things like Health Care and education. The kind of fundamentalist neoliberalism which allows for, you know, only cuts and only austerity is not sustainable in the current social climate in columbia. So the colombian government has known for some time that it needed to beef up investment in Health Care in education. And students have been striking, get greater resources for education, but the state refused to do so. The plan is to continue the privatization that as you pointed out, will be gone under albert, or even when he was president or 2002 to 2010. Its also important to point out that when he was president , according to these new courts, they had been set up to hear these kinds of cases. The special jurisdiction for peace is what they call these court. According to these courts, there are claims of young men being disappeared by the columbia, an army in order to boost the body. Guerrillas killed him, combat these people were not killed in combat. They were civilians, not guerrillas, and they were disappeared by the army. And then it happened both when George W Bush was president , and when obama was president. So this was a systematic practice by the colombian army. When i was president , you, when it comes to latin america, britain Abbas Johnson host, hit one guy do once to overthrow the government of venezuela neighboring country. Youre telling me that theyre all in human rights abuses in a country. That is, britons ally, britain has security, cooperation, allows arms to be sent there. And of course, its in the front night of the so called war on drugs. Any, any evidence to suggest that all this money from and subsidy from the United States from britain from European Union countries, is actually aiding Cocaine Production and Cocaine Distribution . Well, heres, heres the fact of the matter, Plan Colombia by the United States. It was 1st introduced under clinton and then beat up under bush and essentially continued in different guys under obama. Ready more than a 1000000000. 00 was spent in order to reduce Cocaine Production by half. Okay. Production is that record levels according to the un and other agencies, passive monitoring these things. So in terms of stated goals, all of the sort of anti drug efforts have failed dramatically. And that makes you wonder if the Policy Failure has been so dramatic decade after decade and the cocaine treated App Record levels. Ready you know, why is there no room for rethink of those policies . And i mean, no One Thing the motive, because i had a goodly suddenly some of the financial Services Industry takes cocaine and theyre the ones supporting the liberal privatization. Presumably, the motivation here is, is columbia and norco state under, under this man, even do k. And do you think hes using the current violence to try and call off elections next year . Is that, is that what the uptick is about to stop a progressive being elected the, you know, its difficult because let me pride myself on a civilian democracy. It only had military dictatorship, but very few period in the 1900 east, throughout the 20th century. And i would be surprised if collections did not block like Flock Work in the sense of, you know, according to the calendar. However, the kinds of slot and why lends that might more those elections is another question altogether. And if we look back to the previous electoral site in the 21st century, we can certainly see where Fraud And Violence played an important role. Namely, in electing, ill believe, as president and reelect in 2000. So i think we can expect that every means possible will be used in order to stop the progressive candidate winnings in 202242 percent of the vote in 2018, which was historic, with the columbia left, which has never gotten above St Digits before and now this is happened and the only response to the government is increased militarization and you know, increase spending on things like tear gas canisters for the ryan police. But its not working. Theres an entire generation which is said, were not we, theyve taken everything from us. We have enough that we dont even have beer anymore because weve been out here for a month. And they have been shooting at us and their particular neighborhoods that you can point to and places like Hollywood Epicenter of this particular nationwide uprising. And you can see where theyre being shot at every night. And so after a month of that, what you have is the generation of young people. Ready who have learned to see the state as a War Machine on against them, even though they have no weapons and theyre just trying to defend the neighborhood in which they live. So its really dramatic situation and the inter american human Rights Commission is finally going to be able to get into columbia to investigate some of these things. The Vice President and the chancellor of columbia has suggested that that should be a guided visit, a guided tour. She also said in washington that there was only one person missing in all of this, i disappeared people and in fact, according to a leading and yo, theres 346 people. Whereabouts are not accounted for . There have been bodies appearing, tortured and murdered in rivers and elsewhere. So it will be really important to find out just how many disappeared people there are. But in order for that to happen, there has to be independent human rights investigations, which up until now, colombian government has been unwilling to prove to permit but you can see by the figure used by the Vice President chancellor watching. Oh, theres only one person missing. Oh, you can come check it out. Well give you a guided tour. The colombian government is essentially in disneyland when it comes to the reaction of the international community to this because the European Union, even members of congress in the United States, have been pretty loud and clear about the fact that the bloodshed needs to stop the government needs to rein in its Police Force and sit down and negotiate and dialog protesters. And thats, of course, with the protests are demanding as well. However, there doesnt seem to be much opposition from the, by the white house to whats going on and the u. S. Wouldnt be able to restrict both police military to columbia and would even threaten some sort of economic sanctions as it would with any government considered its enemy. But because colombia is considered the closest ally or one of the closest allies in the hemisphere, the message so far has been rather mixed about Police Violence and beneath stopping well. And he did meet Vice President Mother Ramirez and said there should be some going to support for, for protest. The colombian government denies all wrong doing, but Professor Forest healthy. Thank you very much. Thats it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for brand new season. Still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who youd like to see. On the next season of going undergrad. 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