Welcome to the news on here on august national for myself and the whole team in the museum. Hello and good. Have you with us . Or fast out more scenes of chaos in afghan installed on to the ton of bonds. Take copa gunshots were fired. The international app, or in cobble as people scrambled to see the new regime, some tried to scale perimeter walls and fences to reach evacuation flights with desperate parents striking that children over barbed wire. There are unconcerned reports. A ton upon Fight Shot to man scaling a wall, while 7 people have been confirmed killed the airport in the last few days. The satellite imagery taken on sunday captured the towel moral in and around the hub as thousands attempted to flee due to lack of petrol locals report to the band. And that cause at the Roadside Fuel is expensive right now and difficult to find. While some of those who reached the airport was so desperate to guess how they resorted to clinging to plains, that was taking off. This video was filmed by one of those who took risks, is unclear what that fate was. So since the video has a much on line, it was one of the lucky ones. But others want unverified and stopping video has emerged on line, apparently showing some of those who had clung to us for paid, falling to the deaths. And its reported that human remains were also found in the Landing Gear of that very plain officer. Its flight from cobbled firearms and i munition what dog to the luggage rocks in the Car Park off the capitals up towards locals, abandoned them as they attempted to flee. We are the local john shreeve. Not sure if its all about the situation on the ground. There we go, the room out of the distorted house in public safety. Also, we are locked in for the government people every day said that youre looking for the journalist and, and call. It was a shocking use for everyone, even for me at the shop. I left my office and my rent a place, but i immediately and denied the school but the deputy of belie but the file found out im the leader of all about well, how much money he published . I mean, maybe you said that the cobbler people are safe to talk about the Cobble Predictor of the couple people. Im down the route of the title about a fight that permission to enter to the out of the people. And as people tried to flee the taliban, gave a media for anything in which had attempted to show off towns. They would be safe if they stayed. In particular, it said that it would not exact revenge. Youll know if you had collaborated with the u. S. Coalition to meet your park, join me earlier in the studio to discuss what that means. That seems to be the main message of peace and love. I guess the taliban leadership made this Press Conference apparently to kind of give a face to the international community that this is a new taliban that theyre friendly. They want to make peace. One of the 1st things that they 1st, again said is that they want peace, which would mean that there would be no interrogations. And no revenge or any of that sort against anybody who worked in ganeth and any foreign citizens of foreign fighters, foreign workers, or even of gas and citizens who helped us coalition. During these years. After that, the spokesperson for the taliban leadership went on to talk about things like womens rights that women would now have it much better under the new government that the taliban leadership will make. Theyre still working on that part. They would have all their rights protected. They would be come a very active part of society. They would be able to work on air and even have hold places and positions in government. Although they did stress, of course, that this would be under the guidelines of serial law. So whatever that means and how that would be actually implemented. After that, he talked about media freedom. Once again, everybody can work. Everybody can function even encourage the media to highlight the shortcomings of the afghanistan government. Although he didnt warn for it not to work against the government and independent media would also be allowed to remain free and independent basically. So all these messages, theyre basically saying that this is a new taliban leadership. This is going to be new and theyve been talking about this all over the place, basically saying these messages to anybody, even our team reached out for an interview with them. And heres what they said. Theyre not exposed to any danger because they are in our homeland, among their people. We strive to make the future for the people and the country worthy. We have no desire to take revenge on these people. We strive to ensure that all people united, despite all the challenges we want to build a new country and make our people have a decent future. We have issued a number of decrees including the decrease concerning those translators who collaborated with the occupying regime for one reason or another. The past is the past. They dont have any problems right now. So its a Media Charm Offensive dance for sure. But how convinced our people . Well, obviously not everybody is convinced. We can see from all the care going on and again, stand with the Mass Exodus and all the scenes of people trying to flee the country. Because still its the taliban internationally recognize terrorist organizations. But the taliban leadership has stressed that what it tries to convey is trying to convey that theyve changed. Its been 20 years since they were in power. And over these 20 years, the afghan people grew and they grew. And theyre not the same taliban, there they were back then. And kind of shows, i guess you could say, because now they have twitter handles. Theyre holding Press Conferences that by all means are civil. Im sure many people thought it would be something more barbaric. One of the earth, a taliban Press Conference, theres a lot of promises made here, right . So its still remains to be seen if any of these promises will be held. But one thing this Press Conference has shown at least, is that the taliban has learned P R. Basically its learn how to communicate with the west. Its learned how to use these key words that the international community generally likes. Then you look upon has already failed to convince saw would be use foreign Policy Chief Joseph Morales saying that the only thing that had improved in the group in the last 20 years was its Members Ability to speak. English you need is, are growing increasingly worried about the situation. Now the canister on faring the calles could spread to europe by prompting. A large influx of refugees brought added that the block will help us kind of stones neighbors to deal with migration flows. Need to coordinate between to be a union member, the states congress. It will be how you know and we will have to support it. Timesheets and neighbors countries. Well, joseph borrow, who we were listening to, their summed up the sentiments, expressed at a online meeting of the you foreign ministers in which he said that the priority was the safe evacuation of european and of any african citizens who had worked with them for more than 20 years, if indeed they wanted to be evacuated. He also said that they were ready to engage with the taliban. This did not mean official recognition that it was an, except and not everybody in europe is happy. You have, for example, from germany and eastern European Capitals who are asking the question why other countries are not taking on the burden of dealing with these refugees. First to we have to discuss how to accommodate the people in the neighboring countries and move forward. The next step would be to look further, but a European Solution would certainly be difficult. We have not yet managed to create a common asylum policy, which was on the c p. We must anticipate and protect ourselves against major, irregular my great re flows that would endanger those who use them and feed trafficking of all kinds. We will therefore take the initiative to build without delay, a robust, coordinated, and united response that will involve the fight against irregular flows. Now, despite mucous concern about the human crisis and the potential impact that this could have on europe, she did manage to find time to attend, to form premiere in berlin. And this is despite the criticism that so far, gemini has only evacuated save and of its national from cabal. At the same time, a number of leaders are very pits. The mistake you have, for example, the Check President , my, lets as women who had said that nature failed enough, got a gun. And its legitimacy has now been brought into question the distrust towards nato. From a number of member countries will grow after this experience because they will say, if you failed and again, its done. Whereas the guarantee that you wont fail in any other critical situation. Austria, it has cold on neighboring countries to have done to fit up people taishan centers as a way of handling immigrants that are attempting to flee the taliban. Austria, of course, is maintaining a very hard line stones when it comes to immigrants. You then have turkey, which is in the final stages of building a 295 kilometer roads along the border with a ran to prevent african refugees from entering that country. The Nato Secretary General said the priority for nato was as follows. Natos focus now is to ensure the safe departure or personnel from allied and partner countries. And of the africans who have helped us felt very good miss that europe was surprised at the speed of the political and military collapse of the cobble government. It was something that they had not anticipated. He also said that he was frustrated that after years of international assistance, the results were to quote him. Not better. Talk to robert. Good. Sure, an associate professor specialize in us politics that lancaster university me k says the crisis in afghanistan put more strain on washingtons relations with europe. I think that europe already is under massive stream in terms of humanitarian aid that it provides to other nations and in the region. I, i dont, i dont know why were not seeing united States President standing. Ive been saying, okay, you know, we cause this weather was 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago or last week. And we need to step in and help with that. Nobody should have to go and live in a Refugee Camp because a western democracy is decided that its Nation Building a must be clear, it was Nation Building. That was the mission that we were there for. If we remember back to add to those days, and as a reporter, i remember reporting in those types of ways that this was about democracy as much as it was about other things such as stopping. But nobody should have to live in a Refugee Camp because of these decisions that are being made by a western government. In the aftermath of a ton of bonds, rapid entry and couple, washington refrained from comment, but your buttons, national security. 5000 outlined us strategy on the views of the situation to the press following the white House Press Secretary comments. The main takeaways of us did not expect it to go that way and really then not quite sure what to do next. Even well drawn plans dont survive 1st contact with reality. This is happen more rapidly than we anticipated here. There is chaotic situation in cobble where we dont even have the establishment of a governing authority. When youre at a point where things are happening more quickly than anyone would have anticipated, then youre going to have some chaotic scenes. Well, as you listen to us officials discussing afghanistan, they dont seem to be providing real information and seem to be emphasizing that they dont have a clear picture of the answers. The questions theyre being asked. And one question that came up is, what about all the weapons the United States has provided to ask and security forces over the years. Where did they go . Those black hawks were given to the top one. They were given to the african national security forces to be able to defend themselves. We dont have a complete picture, obviously of where every article of defense materials has gone. But certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the taliban. And obviously we dont have a sense that they are going to readily handed over to us at the airport. Now, mid these fumbling responses that indicate perhaps a lack of knowledge of whats really going on. We are seeing us officials try out an old tried and true Method Flap on some sanctions and hope everything works out. I am not going to go into the full Planet Panel Play of things that we can do, but there are obviously issues related to sanctions. There remains to be seen whether or not the taliban really cares about us. Sanctions, however, washington has made clear is not going to sacrifice any more american lives on the altar of democracy in afghanistan. However, national security, Advisor Sullivan did make clear. He cares deeply about afghan women, truly deeply. My heart goes out to ask in women and girls in the Country Today under the tall. So amid confusion as the global community looks on the situation and ask ghana, stan has a lot of questions for us. Leaders about what they did know and didnt know and whats going to happen in the future. Im sure everyone is totally reassured by these answers that have just been provided by washington officials. A taliban commander who gave him Victory Speech from inside the president ial potter. Soon after the medicines took over, the african capital is some lodged, a form, a detainee, americas infamous one time of a prison camp. So who as he well, ronnie was born in 1975. He was recruited by the time on in the 1900 ninetys, eventually joining the movement, so called ministry of intelligence in 2000. And one was detained by us forces in cobble and subsequently sent to guantanamo when he was among the Fust And P t. Knees that he was incarcerated until 2007. At the time, ronnie was deemed by us intelligence as a need him a Level Threat to the us and its allies, and was expected to join groups dedicated to attacking us forces in afghanistan if released. And yet the americans eventually did let him go addressing the review panel. Ronnie reported me claimed he was an ordinary shopkeeper who wanted to return home to care for his sick father. Well, i want to bring and now sir flanders, the co director of the international Action Center. Always nice. Have you all the programs are welcome. The fact that i want to all skew is so ronnie was released from guantanamo back in 2007. What do you make of that . Was it serious Security Lapse . Wanted washington genuine. The thing that he didnt pose a threat here well it, its kind of irrelevant. We do know that more than 90 percent of all the people rounded up and taken to guantanamo and tortured and held him solitary and held under terrible conditions for years. The u. S. Had absolutely no evidence on or the evidence was completely mistaken and distorted. So its not surprising that he would join forces resisting the us after an experience like that. Or he may have been part of it to begin was impossible to know. We do know, though that 20 years later, there are still people at one time tomorrow who have never been charged, and yet they continue to be held in and not the cases, detainees, all of us prison thompson wrong, for example, have gone on to become high profile i believe is why all these come such breeding grounds for terrorists . Well, theyre really breeding grounds for us torture. And there is no excuse for the round Ups Detention centers, the black sites as they were called the those who were held. And its, its also part of us torture in afghanistan, which has created oceans and oceans of hate and biography, base biography, air force base. There was a major prison there where that held thousands of prisoners for years that creates great hatred among anyone whos ever been through a system like that or their family members. And the, the real question is, the u. S. Torture of the afghan people for the last 20 years, and that torture is really real and it is why the government finally completely collapsed. There was both torture and yet it was endlessly profitable for u. S. Military. Oil corporations contracting corporations for them. They may have lost the war, they made a lot of money and they could hardly care what happened to the afghan people who they just leave on the runway at the airport. Like so much excess baggage and, and this is a crime. What is what we see at the Airport Today . What we see in all those years where the status of women did not improve where there was never democracy. This is a myth that this was a war for democracy. That was just the, the, the, the cover story, the rhetoric and, and it, it led to terrible suffering for the people about ghana span. So that has now a lapse. Yes. How well organized was the process of identifying a differentiation between real threats and miss suspects before sort of throwing people in 2 years long detention. There was no, there was no process and thats come out again and again and un inquiries and human rights inquiries that they literally dont know when people were held under different names. And this is really, there is no excuse for it. And yet it has continued, and there were promises going all the way back to the obama administration, that guantanamo would be closed, and that the other secret prisons would be closed and yet they werent. So, i think its very much part of the afghanistan war. Its part of every level of corruption, of Buying And Selling of people. And also creating, you know, this 300 Person Army that they claimed existed from ghana stand yet they knew at the same time the entire units were what were called ghost units. That means that theyre passing out paychecks to different warlords. Doesnt mean Theres Anyone who has any interest in fighting for the government. So every level of this war was corruption and and this in the prison that went with it should be, must be closed. Also. The final thing i want to ask you and looking at the was, is coming out of washington the moment find in lincoln plane, the u. S. Has accomplished that goal. Its made terrorist attacks against the u. S. Less likely. So its sort of mission accomplished. Do you agree with that assessment . I dont think that was ever their goal. I think they needed a reason for the public just like they said, weapons of mass destruction in iraq. And it was relentlessly repeated by u. S. Corporate media. As i say, the real terror came from black hawk helicopters came from drone attacks on people around the world. Not just the afghan. A stand. We got to really say where it is terror come from. Whether were talking about the the missile should are fired. Whether were talking about the assassination programs and the kidnapping, and the secret rendition, all of these are acts of terror against defenseless people. We really appreciate you coming into the program and giving us your insight into these very to stopping costs. Revelations that was sour cloud as co director of the international Action Center from new york. Thank you. Meanwhile, Afghanistans Vice President has vowed to keep up the fight against the taliban umbrella. Saul at 22. He was inside the country was now in fact, the acting president. Report say around 10000 account troops all the way to the Punch Ship Province to join the resistance. This area is very close to cobble and increase a strategic importer road that needs to the north of the Country Fall or has reportedly been joined by other military commanders who refused to given. The northern part, oboski uninstall, has historically been a form in the taliban side. It was home to the so called northern alliance, which forward against the terrace in the ninetys. According to some reports, fighting has already broken out with afghan forces managing to wrest control of some areas near the capital. Meanwhile, fresh videos, much said to be all women protesting and cargo that demanding that rights be respected, including to walk to education and to political participation. The taliban though was actually been arching women a Power Need to join the government. And in other, unprecedented move a taliban official, sat down with a female presented for an interview with Toler News and ask on television station. Its all part of a P R campaigned campaign to present a more moderate side of the group to the wild audio. My colleague knew how we discussed the future press freedoms in the country, sod, sonny, his chairman and chief executive of movie group, which overseas taylor news. The tyler gonna trying to win hearts and minds. Theyre trying to convince a political stablished, people outside the taliban movement to join and support the taliban movement that are trying to secure international support. So i think its a bit early. Its a bit too early to judge as to what the long term intentions are. There will be a transitional government know that they may be more restrictive and eventually theyll be in emerett at the top on have their way. So long ways to go before we can say that theyre receptive to women on television or to, you know, equal opportunity for Math Kind of sense. How do you feel about freedom of speech . Enough canister, the moment you going to be optimistic . Maybe you feared the worst when the taliban came into power. But how are you feeling in the moment . Im feeling neither. I think its too early and we can be used to assume that they have changed for good freedom of speech is not just some reporting on facts. I mean they, they believed that gods on their side. And then the holy koran is the constitution. And then they can never be challenged in time. There will need to be need to get channels and well see how much capacity they have for criticism when that happens. Too, too, too early. And we have months and months ahead of us to see if they actually their, their actions match the words. Its understandable. We sent an awful lot of people fleeing heading for the airport. Its been tragic at times, watching the people that tends to get out. Have you had any real stops saying look, you know, we just not comfortable with this we, we want to go . Yes we have and there are many who want to stay on and continue their work and some who wish to get that. I mean, what the taliban do in the, in the coming weeks will determine what people do in the years. I had this, this sort of this, this middle class, this youth was 60 percent off. Got in front of the age of 20 and they can, they can make or break the country and if they leave, we lose our educated class. So really its up to the top line in terms of how they behave and their behavior is going to impact what people do in the months ahead of time and take over the red cross. It will keep staff in afghanistan and continue providing assistance to all sides. Recently the Aid Organization reported since June Foster had treated 40000 people wounded in fighting in the country of figure for august alone and so far is 8000. The red cross direct asia and the pacific says that in recent years, over half the casualties, helping women and children on the recent fighting, you know, in the country and visiting the recent days with been seeing a number of ensured must have been products that are people injured in us because Thats Part of which fighting to down leg. Got it right and just create a huge you monitor in need here. But if we look back a bit more from the fighting over the years here, the concern is really much on the women and children that are making more than half of the casualties such that we have we receive in our support. Because here from there, you have to imagine that when the long Term Shuffling and bade, once you have been to the us be can, you can be also referred to those Rehabilitation Center where it would take years to just treat people that could have been detected from those wounds, we are very much committed to continue the work be in a hospital, but thats not the best fit for you. I can understand the reason for our safety and this is not something that we are denying. However much of the room that we have had over the years hes already known. And weve been working in pregnancy controller, probably been controlled. I read to him, im very much going to be that we can continue working. Were going to, hes are very much the ones are trying to teach independence. 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