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The still things the cars right on Police Report in december 2020 a group of and she finishes fill out a Film Crew Access for 3 months. 3rd row like if People Organization its an idea that must be opposed to the game ground. They may kill their faces, but they can say what they believe and we believe in helping our community. We believe that fascism is one of the major threats to the United States as gotten driven. This is a john, see who and teeth are really are in order for me. My 1st amendment right. And say that my life matter. I have to be onto the teeth that thats all we Cant Trust the police. We Cant Trust the government. We Cant Trust anyone except ourselves to protect ourselves in the me. A grandmother doing life for murder was released from Prison Yesterday after 17 years when a judge said she did not do it. Susan, no one recently filed a lawsuit against the detective who arrested her for hiding evidence. That detective is the same one who arrested Reggie Call with which we, you know, as a society we see the bad guy in the good guy. Well that cops and robbers, but when the car becomes the robber, the game is over. The game is over f corruption. It was her ethic twist of fate. Lead to raj, its released. Bruce was more fortunate. His Fathers Death led to an unexpected turn. Providence, which is a big thing in any had life insurance, and it was 184000 that my dad left me and i was able to terminate that up to about 236 stock market. And then it was just a 100 percent of my time dedicated to my case, a lot enabled boost to hire a private investigator. We had essentially a growing war just of, of evidence that hadnt committed the crime. Or at least that all the evidence that was presented was, was false evidence. I had received a complaint from merciless girl. I flew up to the State Prison where Bruce Listener was, i spoke to him when somebody is accused of murder. Are you arrested for murder . Its tape recording, everything is tape recording. I couldnt find his tape. Ready it had been taken out of evidence by Detective Mon too, and it was never put back in evidence active minds to set the footprints outside the house matched the footprints on the inside. Lieutenant gavin found the footprints werent actually looked at by scientist or any qualified expert. So we took matters into his own hands. So i contacted our people and were scientific investigative division. So he takes out this big magnifying glass, looks at it looks at the other one he goes, these 2 dont match. See, this is a great embarrassment for any large organization that youve convicted somebody for murder, and then 51020 years later. Its, it turns out that the person is actually innocent and this is what my lieutenant said. That is not getting out of prison. Do you understand me, Sergeant Cabin . They will do everything they can to stop. You prevent you from going forward with the information you have. Upon reviewing the comprehensive work of the private investigator, the p. D. Internal Affairs Department claimed bruces complaints were unfounded and that no misconduct had occurred. You can have an internal investigation where we all investigate ourselves, that like a general mom against the authorities or anything like that. Just the Gift System that they have no checks and balances. Youth food is shaking. Yall. I believe an Internal Affairs should be separate from the Police Department. There is no way that a Police Department can investigate themselves. Currently, there are no independent organizations whose job is to investigate police, misconduct, and very no oversight of prosecutors either. Bryce with the Toil Misconduct is a major factor of wrongful convictions. Just a single thread that runs through almost all of the wrongful condition cases. Jeff Jessica Beck as a masters and criminal justice, specializing in wrongful convictions. Hes also a survivor of prosecutorial misconduct. I spent 16 years in prison that was roughly 17 immerse at 32. Jeff eventually won a lawsuit against Putnam County new york for his section, which enabled him to start his own foundation. And im the Founder And Executive director of the productive foundation for justice. Theres no deterrence, theres no oversight, theres no punishment for prosecutors, so they can break the law. They dont face criminal penalties even when they engage and withholding evidence of innocence threatening witnesses, coercing witnesses, no matter how serious the misconduct is. If the prosecutor commits that after an arrest has been made, they have whats called prosecutorial immunity. Theyre above the law. You prosecutors to really uphold whats become just words. Which is, you know, theyre there to do justice. Theyre there to do the right thing. It becomes more like where theyre the when, especially when Prosecutors Office actually keeps statistics on conviction rates. Well, you should be credited that you looked at a case where the police thought they had a good case, but a good prosecutor looked and said, you know what . Theres a mistake made here, we should drop the charges in this case. We should incentivize that. But instead we actually incentivize the opposite of getting convictions and getting conviction rates. All of a sudden justice gets lost in that process and whether this guy commit the crime or not gets lost in that process because its all about winning my case. Amusing that i mean in the real world, you know, youre supposed to be held accountable for your wrong dont. And so therefore, if you are a person of authority of authority, you have to be held at a higher standard than just a lame. I think we actually to step back and kind of rethink the whole system in the way were approaching it, because its become this game and peoples lives are lost as a result of the me. If you ever do find yourself wrongfully convicted ads are you never get now. The 1st thing you need to do this in preservation letters to the Police Department labs and the courts questing that you want all your evidence saved. Otherwise, they may destroy it within 30 days. Try to find an Innocence Project that will take your case. Prepare for this process to take years in pray for miracle. The Innocence Project estimates conservative way there could easily be 40000 to over 100000 americans currently wrongfully convicted. The majority of which are people of color the private investigator never gave up. On his case a very vigorous private investigator who made a complaint to b l. D in atlanta, on the desk of a Internal Affairs investigator who looked at braces claims in a very serious minded fashion. The the people like Detective Mon 2 and the others out there that have made our job very difficult to do day after day. Because we lose the confidence of the public and we lose the competence of the court. We have to have police chiefs, directors of public service that are willing to do the right thing and terminate employees who are doing the wrong thing. You want to say youre the good guy, but youre ostracized by everybody that you believe. Then its a very difficult situation because i have to continue to work for the same department that did this to Bruce List or i dont look at myself as a hero. I look at myself as this are as a survivor because the system attacked me system one after me and the system did everything i could to keep Bruce List or in Jail And Everything to keep me quiet. Its been a lot of therapy. My wife and i met in 3rd grade. We were elementary, junior, i high school sweethearts. We lived on the same street and its been, its been a very difficult, difficult road. She is 3rd generation l. A. P d. And the survival is day by day. And always looking over your shoulder, whether youre doing the right thing or not, youre constantly looking over your shoulder. And every time i get called into the captains office, i wonder what did i do now . And ive never had that feeling before. I just kept on telling myself they are not going to defeat me. Theyre not going to defeat me. Its just when you come across something like this, what are you going to do . And thats the difficult thing. If i had not given up the information that i did to the l a times Bruce Listener would still be in prison. A bloody footprint that was attributed to bruce in his trial had recently been re analyzed and shown to not been made from bruce issue. So they got his interest in the case and we started talking to is a private investigator and began the 7 month investigation. And the conclusion about they filed an article called a case of doubt that eventually one of them and award one the times of work. I went up sitting between 2005 when the 1st Article came out and 2009 in prison for solid years. A widely recognized innocent man. We knew back in 2003, 2004 that we had probably a person that was in prison for a crime. He did not commit. And it took 5 years for the courts to work through the, the entire system. There were a lot of delays because of the conduct of my own Police Department and the conduct of the California Attorney general reggie costs. And 16 years in prison for a crime he didnt commit. 10 of those years were spent in solitary confinement. And he had to kill another man to get a trial. Its a Miracle Reggie got out at all. I, tim, this is a Miracle Story as well. In late 2000, after 26 years, he made pro. I sign some papers for the pro officer. He said, okay, see you later didnt ask me how i was getting home. Didnt ask me if i had a home. When i realize these people honestly dont give to survive, getting out a lot harder than it sounds. You may have Develop Post traumatic stress disorder agoraphobia, param, lawyer, and require immediate treatment. You want to need food, new clothes. Youre going to need money for transportation to and from your office a meeting. If you missed a meeting, you could find yourself back in jail. When i need a job, but theres a lot of discrimination out there for employment and housing. Speaking of which youre going to need a home. I wouldnt have a home if it wasnt for the rescue, a Life Foundation to set up a house that transitional housing god. And that allegation is whats gotten me by its the reason im sitting here and not back inside the rescue alive found ation was founded by dwayne macaulay, who knows how challenging it can be to re enter society. Dwayne did 25 years himself from murder after school, we would have to go down to my Mothers Tricia and hang out all Day Work around the business time. We had several organizations that would just controlled area. So it was pretty say we had the black Panthers Ring is organization united ways we had the nation a is it was pretty cool. You know, you have to worry about people coming in, holding you up and everything. You have to worry about that. Thats what it was after the call and tell people when they got pushed on the ground, that everything seem like you know, like crazy all above came out in a you know, you will, you will fair game in the store operator. Thats why we started having a lot, a lot of burglaries, my mother, she just a little bit late. She was beat up one day while i was there and i grabbed it due to the ground and keep doing better after he got the money. Did he figured was enough money, you know, not located. I was probably about 11 years old and, you know, he had his gun on issue and now didnt mean not to move in just kicking her in and demanding more money. And he got all the money we had, you know, duanes Mother Wasnt robbed once she was robbed over and over again. Oh the ah lose. Ah, ah, ah ah, i use the me. I read you but we come in about me being so tight. And he smoked, we submit, just take this, you need for medicaid and lead to other things. You know, lead to co k. Pcp was in, lean to my crime, didnt happen. They sent me to Prison Division for a 2nd Degree Murder. Seduce me. They were supposed to been the middleman going to get drugs and in the, in the rob, me because it, it happened to us in our business, the family business, so much this guy. He wasnt just the one that was robbing me all the time. He was the image of somebody had been victimized in my family and in all these other times you got away with this time you werent going to get away. So it was kind of like a v s Day Retaliation Thing for you and you, you dont pay for that. And so what i found is that what you can forgive, you end up becoming what you can forgive, you end up becoming so i had to learn how to forgive and let it go. And i had to learn how to forgive him. And that they go because he was also after i got to see his record. And this guy had a rough seat, you know, from here from one sided room to the other. You know, and i, and i could see that, you know, he needed the same help that i need. We are generally taught to imagine that there is such thing as, for example, a murderer and other words, the murder in the public imagination. And in most of our minds, whether we thought about it or not initially is someone who likes to murder and who would murder given the opportunity . I think thats what its like, a vocation, right . Thats what murders do. They go around murdering, right. And thats why you dont let them out of prison. Im out of prison. Theyre going to murder again. The reality is that like murder is almost always a context of the situation, it is statistically speaking very rarely driven by a compulsion or a desire to do harm, right . Its a reaction to some set of circumstances to a real or perceived threat, to some extreme emotional state. Its not a propensity, basically, were confusing the profile of a psychopath. The Psychopath Weve read about, you know, the serial killer with prisoners in general. If we, as a society, stop and imagine that the people in prison are fully human, incredibly diverse, have often been through some of the most extreme and difficult situations and conditions, some of which many of us couldnt even really begin to imagine. Then suddenly, all that judgement and all that hostility and all that vindictiveness doesnt house. Its a natural place anymore. Many of our students have committed murder and felt horrible about their crime. As soon as it happened, its not like they needed to sit in prison for 15 or 20 years to realize theyve done a bad thing or to never want to do it again. There is no human element to the criminal justice system. There is no human element, theyre not there to help you. Theyre not there to help society. They can say they, thats what a set up for all they want. Thats not what its there for. Not in california, and not in a lot of places. Its a system set up to punish people and they take a bad situation and they usually make it much worse. You know what the official Success Rate of State Prison is nearly 80 percent of all inmates go back within 5 years. Success rate of 20 percent. Imagine if we have those requirements of airplanes. Wow. 8 out of 10 airplanes falling out of the sky. Its a little bit crazy making, and that is department of justice. Thats federal government research. Dr. Michael coil attended harvard university as a ph. D and justice studies. And as a professor of criminal justice, the California State University dr. Coil says the prison not only increases criminal behavior that has the ability, serious effect on society as a whole. What happens to a family when the Wage Earner is removed from society and thrown into prison for 10 years . What happens to those children . How are they impacted . What other chances of success in Life Start to go down . What . How does that impact the Community Loss of resources in that community . More demands in the community now to help to help this family, maybe the other parent, maybe the children. So clearly a failure by every measure that you look at it that i think we just need to. We think the whole thing and not just keep trying to put lipstick on this bag because thats what were doing. But i think it is difficult for people to imagine a world without prisons. Now weve become so accustomed to the idea of prisons, but its hard to people imagine, well, what do you do with people if you dont put them in for when . When theyve done wrong, there are other alternatives. Just to ask you that the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its presence, hebrews, 133. Remember those who are in chains as if you were in chains with them . We dont. We put everybody at risk my husband dan was a Police Officer and he was killed in the line of duty. My goal at the trial was to get the man who killed my husband, convicted of 1st Degree Murder and be given the death penalty. And thats what i got, thats what happened. I thought, okay, here it is. I got justice. Im going to be free from this. And it didnt happen. It was, it was just a lie, it, it didnt change anything. A kayla cheryl, the famous for brokering the truth between the credits and the blood in 1992. Then in 2004, he experienced an unimaginable tragedy. My oldest son was murdered. From when a break, college was shocked to death at a party. My daughter called me and was like a dad to get together on System Street in the projects and stuff and talking about going on a mission put around. So i jumped in my car and i drove over there to the projects and i jumped out the car and i, i said a i said man, weve played this i for 924 Twos Game long enough. Im like, you know, its left is all blind and toothless. You know, and im like when, without anybody here to provide direction in guidance for the kids and the young folks and the parents in the loved ones that are left by like, im like, lets, lets do something different. Theres an opportunity here for us to take the wisdom that we know works what we would do for our own kids. The brown kids were in trouble and do it for everybody. Good. We have to demand one for all an ends to believe, team and prisons for at least half of the people in there are in there for crimes of addiction or economic desperation or mental health. Instead of just throwing everybody that weve decided we Cant Help in prison use the money for restorative justice programs re abs and social services. There has to be Citizen Oversight and accountability for all our public services. Luckily for us, we have access to all of the data. If you have any interest in injustice or equal access to opportunity in this country, all the data, luckily is out there. Its just a matter of whether you give i was survival depends on being logical. I was the bible depends on being smart and our survival depends on love for each other and love for yourself. The had a good Monday Morning to you how fornia man finally free after serving 16 years for a crime, he didnt commit. I mean, think it was really so i so much in visiting and i try to describe ah, unbelievable feeling. I was just an emotional rollercoaster that, you know, i mean, i cried, walking out and its just the magnitude of all these years. Like now here it is, and then a moment later i would be too bewildered to cry and i would just be in that that whole day was really scary for a lot of people. Like, think that it would be like i was terrified there were well wishers well wishers there of officers. They knew that i think they knew the truth. Certainly knew the character my character. And then i was in the parking lot. I the Air Smell different. I wish my mom could have been there, which my dad could have been there was my Step Mom could have been there but i think in a way they were ah, lose. Like once i got on the other side, tony, i just felt like running like just getting as far away from that place as i possibly have to answer that everybody would think that i would have a joyous time for me. I mean, like, literally scared to death. My cousin was waiting for me, my private invest. It was waiting for me. I said you on here. What actually and i looked at paul and i said, you know, lets get this stuff on the truck out of here. And we couldnt leave fast enough. I thought that would i have for some breakfast and i was like may just the 3rd menu just was overwhelming. Like it was completely overwhelming. I. I havent been in a vehicle without being chained that my feet and with a waste chain. And then handcuffs took to the waist. And in a Paper Jump Suit for 26 years. Ah ah, or to just try to i try to figure it out. Do i have to kind of figured out word out like how do you adjust the color to the planet mars that are the oxygen with the or i dont think im adjusted. 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