U. S. President without starting any new wars thats despite New York Times sources claiming you wanted to bomb middle east Oil Superpower iran after the defeat at the polls he doesnt recognize nevertheless before the killing of iranian scientists most in fact reside there in the past few days came trumps assassination of iranian soldier cause im still a money credited with coordinating with u. S. Troops to defeat i stash and al qaeda as reporters have documents pertaining to an iran saudi arabia peace deal when he was murdered joining me now from new york in the usa is the biographer of shadow come on to customers with a money as easy as thanks so much for coming on before we get to the shadow commander what have you made of the fact that the said it was criminal but didnt actually came out come out right and even condemn the assassination of this iranian professor most in fact president. I think the last 4 years weve seen them evil has really a struggle to have an independent policy of the United States regards to our city right frankly so i guess theyre just theyre also waiting for for biden to come in but i mean the assassination was a procreation that i dont think iran is going to buy into i think theyre going to bait for biden to come on and hope for a different policy in watching i know the book ends before the perceived retaliation from iran for the assassination of kusum silly moniba surprise it hasnt been any immediate retaliation for for the latest assassination. No its not surprising that because i think and i think other said iran who acts again more prudently and bait for biden to come. To act before that would would be almost suicidal right i mean if anything though there bori you know. What i do in what is a month and a half left of his presidency so were going to be very careful in iraq and other places that to make sure not to get into complications thats definitely what the majority i think of the iraqi leadership and the search for me the harmony would once you say that the killing of kassim son a money by donald trump is comparable to the 943. 00 u. S. Assassination of japanese admiral yamamoto why was it such an important matter. What is the 1st time since then in the us q. And a leading general of of another country frankly been a difference that he was actually of course in a war with japan but he was not in any war with iraq so i mean its something to assess the heads of terrorist groups but to cube a leading general or a t. V. General of another country. You know its i mean its something that has been as you pointed at as the man it was of course illegal to quote to trash the law but its also just one president whatever you want and its the gallup leader nice make joe biden to restore the reputation of kusum silly money as someone who fought with us troops against as a day as an archival. President biden has got to do that. But i do what i do think it is going to try to be closely with iran and you know if you try to promise as i tried to say in the book i mean the mistake that people often make is and iran can be complex because they didnt listen to the anti americanism of these Islamic Republic and its leadership and leaking of this means that they wont be able to negotiate with the rest of the u. S. Its not true its never been true as you pointed out there has been many instances of not just a wish issue but military collaboration in afghanistan iraq and other places not that Many Americans arguably are told about that in the media just set the scene like you did in the book of where kos emslie money came from you talk about this province of come on in the 170 s. Halfway between amazing western hellbent sophistication and an ancient past. Well so that money came from tribal areas of southern iran of cameron province my own mothers come on so i had a personal connection to this story but i think what is going to be important troy his career was that he came he had this tribal me he was not from the urban centers or the fact his hometown was a good couple 100 kilometers away from care moneymen a sort of the provincial center there and that gave him. That underdog feeling if you will in cairo but also an understanding of how tribal relations can work that really later helped him be able to do what he did in afghanistan in iraq and out of obviously the i. R. G. C. Is a a unit or a regiment or you going to tell me what it is its often used in the media there in syria theyre here theyre there tell me about the birth of enter now you know way when it was born of even we including me a marxist like ali cherie r. T. As as you put your name in this book. He was a generally inspiration sort of for the revolution as someone you know lives on what try to mix everything on islam on marxism but you know r. G. C. Was founded after the revolution in that in 79 and the basic idea was be have we have just had a revolution before the Islamic Republic and even heritage the army khomeini was very clear that you dont want to disband the army a lot whats all the more radical elements want to do but the question was the army and this its just in this state are not going to serve their evolution and loyally because they are inheritors in the past every revolution in history has had to deal with this issue so what the iranian revolution 79 and i mean it either should did was that they helped the formation of this independent guard the i. R. G. C. Who has nonpolluting to become really the main military force of iran to make a konami force really controls much of the iranian economy and of course its been the personal to course on guard of Michael Holland to follow his policies in the region but whats interesting about i you see is that it doesnt use the name iran in c. Even title thats one reason succeeds sees itself as 10 islamic and international and also its leaders are very clear that they dont see themselves a saudi bomb by the iranian constitution but they believe the ideal to defend the revolution of the ideals of since 9 am comes 1st not that they always practice this because you know as many other big bloated military organization theres a lot of options. Yet theres a theres a lot of shortcomings on it. Well yeah and if anyone thinks they are east taken to have their eyebrows raised by the allegation in your book that israel and iran against iraq have to tell you an israeli there and would barak have terminated the interview when i told him about his really involvement in financing a mass had just tell me how israel came to be supplying weapons to iran. Yes all of this is you know one of those crazy are necessary but in the 1980 s. In the context of the. The contents of the iran iraq war its role was more interested in the weakening saddam effectively beach it so at the bigger tread israel had had good relations with iran before the revolution with the shah of iran and it sort of had a belief that well the iran theyre doing islamised phase but theyll get will go out of it that sort of one of the beliefs of many israeli had and thats why yes they impact israel armed iran in the war with iraq and they even you know they be there were there was a star of david on the on the some of the military equipment used the front which caused surprise by a lot of in among a lot of iranian soldiers who are you know who knew they were very strong anti israel. Now you know theres been a lot of criticism for years about the neoliberal turn of economics in iran making the rich richer in iran and the poor poorer in this book you say the i. R. G. C. Has been relatively immune and benefited from a kind of an a keynesian militarism in terms of Economic Policy. Yes so the i r g c well it has been immune and it has driven and its an interesting its an its and its an interesting point but from the ninetys as iran. Basically what happened the night in that is after the death of Michael Holland in 89. 00 is that the iranian leadership decides that it wants to be kept in effect so it goes through the capitalist road the 1st 10 years or mission theyre not sure there are people who are very much in the socialist side they want to nationalize everything they want to be having in the strand are those who prioritize private relations in that they really are sense the direction has been defended toward capitalism and has been this generally are you see as as a help that but not on like china and some other countries. The on r. G. C. And the bodies are at it with our want our parastatal you can say and in many ways they act like act like oligarchy does and sort of private corporations affected me so they are you see has bought helped to irans tend to capitalism and privatisation but its also stopped it from becoming and captain its innovator you know many Economic Advisor have stated ronnie administration won because of course in its demise and competition and it doesnt help it doesnt it doesnt let iran have a more sort of free market now why was it important to kill. Him silly money i mean trump may have done it for various reasons but why was he on the radar to be killed even when he was working with u. S. Troops to defeat isis has. Well i think you are true general reasons that that meant you know many people wanted him dead in washington forces that yes he need to collaborate with us against the isis although not directly against us but lets just say they you know they were the same side of course and iraq but he had also been i mean he had helped kill a lot of american soldiers before and a lot of people in America Minter savaged and released this is the stolen money they know the stolen money is the man who helped. And after the iraq invasion of 2 doesnt she helped really stop iranian plans with as i said that was a tad on the defeat of israel into any 06 and you call it an arguable defeat when israeli made in lebanon. But its well that surely also has a role so i was going to get to sort of that as part of a 2nd as a so that was that but it is 2nd thing that also money was a very effective commander who was able to really put together a sheer chance National Army organized tens of thousands of soldiers in Different Countries including lebanon and yes there are all of course the irony in this gentlemen hezbollah and turning it into a more military capable force as you saw in the in a 2006 why are. We i mean what are we are you a better its you know you know whether its a pack of the future as we care for what our side its theres no doubt that theres valar really far in that war you know much more you know much more strongly that it itself would have imagined and i think one of the main reasons and i think this is very keen on the same celebrity is that so in mine is a guy who really is able to make his forces more military capable is less talk and more action and thats thats you know what made him popular and unpopular people sick and on a facile manilas lethal. Issue you do believe that when silly money tweeted game of thrones line a trump allows that may have been his demise. Well you know to be honest the joy of image or action its a sad fact but i mean the the the why dont we have your other white house on this one other montana happens not to be very petty and to make decisions on a personal basis frankly so i think so but i mean i think it was also reflective of something bigger still in money had come out of the shadows if you read in the last year and he did enjoy counting trump repeatedly so it definitely definitely had a role in trying to make in this the in that that he did. Talk to russia thank you. After the break biden palestine i speak to pink floyd legend water water is coming to im going underground. Elder forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your identification we should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence and the point is to create. The shia. Areas playing with Artificial Intelligence will summoning the demon. The obama must protect its own existence as. Joe biden indeed be inaugurated in january of next year for whatever will you have a legitimate mandate will the next Campaign Start when the next president takes office and the new liberal order is headed. Home will be marriage. Welcome back today marks the anniversary of the scalp and the other rest of the worlds most famous journalist and publisher Julian Assange now being tortured according to the u. N. In a london jail ahead of a possible de facto death sentence in the usa and songes wiki leaks organization aided Edward Snowdens escape from u. S. Capture as well as revealing the extent of u. S. Illegality around the world one of us on his defend his pink floyd front man roach. Waters joins me now from new york thanks so much roger for coming on just before we get to Julian Assange im just going to ask is the 1st time ive talked to you since you celebrate ing the election of joe biden as president of the United States no no thats a long story what about the labor Party Getting rid of may when. She made a wonderful little thing for double down use an ivory tweet today but it was already getting great traction everybody should watch it everybody in england certainly has to watch it ok up finish i mean well you mentioned that german coleman is has been suspended from the British Labor party the former labor leader leader within a cloud of anti semitism over him what do you think secure sama should do resign niamey winburn ajay so should be the leader of the labor party not the cloven. Dhamma who at the moment is naomi is a woman who tells the truth and also she has a platform because she is a jewish lady of long and great standing in the British Labor party and she must be hurt. Judy in a songe obviously it is disgusting that you and i having to have this conversation again and again the powers that be in the United Kingdom will be entranced the church and take no notice of the universal declaration of human rights and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah law or justice or any of the rest of it they will continue as they do pujols that they are to follow the instructions of washington d. C. Which will be exactly the same i suspect from joe biden as they were from donald trump biden called him a high tech a terrorist what what are you hearing from. People about songes condition because theyve been worrying room is around that hes overseeing this prison that coronaviruses caused a 24 hour lock and. Well im hearing all the same things that youre hearing you know my sources in terms of they can grow coal that we witnessed a couple of months ago. Craig maret mainly who wrote detailed accounts of what went on in the cole which was clearly a completely set up job im assuming that a judgment from from the magistrate of a foregone conclusion why she suddenly at this late stage would kick off the traces. Where of course whats going to happen is that the defense the people the lawyers representing julian will appeal and it will drag on for another however long its going to try to go on and the powers that be are hoping the julian will die in prison thats why theyre keeping him locked down a belmarsh where he said so much risk i mean its quite extraordinary that hes been under lock and key for what 4 or 500 days now having committed no crime except the main minor minor. Well julia son has actually served his bail infringement liberates a ruling expected on a journey for 2021 but hasnt his own lawyer Edward Fitzgerald says that. Trump if trump is reelected it will be worse for julian a songe and famously of course. People around biden are connected to a scientist former lawyer mark clooney and a Prominent Democrat Party liberals. Yes of course if trump had been reelected it would have been worse for everyone in the world but that doesnt make biden a good candidate biden is a dyed in the wool were among grading servant of the oligarchy that rules the United States american will continue to be so for however long he remains president of the United States hes not to be trusted on anything do you think joe biden is going to move the American Embassy back to tell the v. A. Are you kidding hes made it quite clear that hes the staunchest zionist friend of. Of israel that could possibly be in office so he i hope that he and kids start a happy sleeping in that caught that theyre going to share for the next few years kiss our reality has to look out either of them having any power under any circumstances because they are clearly not clear thinkers they clearly dont believe in human rights they clearly have no interest in the law to have no interest in the United Nations they have no interest in the geneva conventions they have no interest in any of the things that in near to my heart and to your heart should and im completely impartial you have campaigned for upholding of u. N. Security Council Resolution resolutions all your life do you dont expect biden to reverse the trump position on the Golan Heights the illegal declaration by the United States is going to oppose the un security Council Resolution making out that it was israeli now of course not i dont expect him to. Reverse any of that nonsense i expect him to absolute they abide by the deal of the century obviously im pretty happy that skinny piece of. No. Cushion or is no longer in the white house pretending to form Foreign Policy for the middle east will try to charm son in law has been in saudi arabia reportedly recently on the u. S. S. Nimitz as we head into the persian gulf i mean do you think as some people have said and i know you have campaigned against atrocities in gaza that it was a signal the assassination of the iranian scientists a bit like cast lead was on gaza before obama was elected president. You have wiped the smile on my fac