Later, though, you know its, its very clear that biden is one of the people whos involved here, and so i expect not too much in the way of disclosure. You know, i mean, jim, we also have the head of the cia in a house building. She seems completely unwilling to work release relevant documents about this here. I guess maybe kind of jumping to the very conclusion of this because i think were all like minded here in shows the deep state can win. And thats a very, very dangerous thing for the in, for any president going into office now, is this you cannot challenge the inter Agency Consensus as they like to say, go ahead jim. I, yes, well peter, i mean i guess as a, as a diehard optimist. I hope theres possibly someone i trust can pull this out, but i dont think thats very likely. And thats why and assuming provided registration does take power, which the odds on favorite this point, i think will be no looking back at the interregnum is over. The hiatus is over they, they had the fear that was sent into the system that some great orange disruptor was going to actually be of the commander in chief. And as article 2 says, the executive branch of government, not the interAgency Consensus, which is mentioned nowhere in the constitution that would be over. I mean, as far as his releasing documents, thats right up there with his giving orders to get out of afghanistan or iraq or syria. Donald trump never had an effect of control of the executive branch of government. And that hardly is due to his own really horrible appointees that he put had. And he, if he had understood what he was doing from day one, you would realize he was behind lines of enemy occupied territory. It was what together a team of people that knew how to get the job done to make sure his orders would be followed resident, resorting to tweets all the time about what his subordinates ought to do, that he could simply order them to do if he had people that would actually follow his orders. So i think not only what were none of these people responsible for russia gave rise again, whatever you want to call it ukraine gate ever be called to account. For quite the contrary. I think were going to see this. What if theres robert reich accountability project . Truth commission blacklists, where anybody now targeted by what i think will be a new shock to tell a tear and order with the narrative being the only permissible exchange of information and much more censorship on social media and so forth. I think were going to see something as unprecedented and certainly in American History that, that none of us should be looking for to matter what are all of the military in the medias role. Theyve acquitted themselves so badly here. I mean, because theyre, there are complexes to all of this. I mean, over the years on this program, all of us have talked about real evidence of wrongdoing by individuals in the Intelligence Community and the d. O. J. Of the f. B. I. Some people lost their jobs, though it may not be directly to that. About the issue of russia gated cell, i mean a lack of candor and things like that. They were used around, but i mean the media, theyre there. They basically surrendered to this, this narrative and they, and now theyve become willing pons of the National Security state. I mean, im looking at all of our faces right now, but it wasnt always that way ahead all over. It may not always be in that way that the history of Mainstream Media in practically any country of the world, is one of mainly of collusion with authority. And in particular, with the, with the deep states of all of the major nations or the United States is actually not particularly exceptional. In, in this respect, a trunk was a wonderful gift to the media from an economic point of view. Because the media as a whole was, was flailing very badly as a result of its internal economic crisis. And here came along this incredibly interesting, intriguing clown like figure who is never going to be a savior for from, from the, from the deep state. Because he doesnt believe in anything other than his own selfinterest and the interests of all of his family and Everything Else is just incredibly, if our moral will trump, trump was never a convincing save you have. But in the 2016 election, he did have one good idea. And a good idea was it doesnt make sense to actually be friendly with russia. And doesnt that make even better sense because it prevents the possibility of a more unified front between russia and china against u. S. Interests around the world. That was actually quite sensible. Trump didnt have the degree of conviction. It was necessary for him to follow through on that one good thought that he had during his campaign. Well, her a minute. You know this to rain right now. I dont, i dont think any of us will argue that, you know, donald trump, i think some very highly of themself. Ok, obviously here, but i mean, if you, if you want to call himself asian, weve got it rain. Now, the to selfishness is in the media and the deep state itself because they, they have damage the perception people have of these institutions here. I mean, hardly, you know, the cable t. V. The, the, the faith that people have been that now is minuscule. Now, because of all of this year, because as weve said on this program, many, many times following this, every step of the way, i mean, when you, when you, when you look at, you know, where is the evidence of Election Fraud . Well, theres nothing here to see and then we say, well, what about what about this f. B. I. Saying this and writing this down and, and eccentrics after they say, oh, theres nothing to see here. I mean, they have damaged themselves here because theyre not believable anymore. And you cant have a functioning democracy if people dont believe the media, the media are supposed to be on your side, not their go ahead. Well, the media is the cornerstone of course. You know, i speak of not only n. Y. C. The military industrial complex, but the military, industrial, congressional intelligence media, academia, think tank complex, making matt rhymes with mickey mouse. Now why do i say media . Because without the media being captivated, they could make it work is an example. We know now that the russians found out that Hillary Clinton on the 26th of july 2016 said, blame the russians, blame the russians, blame the russians for hacking, blame the russians for everything. Ok, that same day they noted judy miller chair, in the New York Times. David sanger had an article, same day, russia, russia, russia, russia. So they were both, both fed from the same trough and, and the russians were simply repeating what was obvious to everyone. And which, by the way, julian has signed himself, had said namely that this was a big distraction from day, from the emails showing that hillary had really stolen the nomination from bernie sanders. And after the election, of course, it was an excuse to explain why hillary lost and not incidentally to make sure that the mickey matt had a really potent enemy to build their arms shell. Their arms justify the military pick francis, which are unconscionable in our society. You know, james, the interesting thing too is that there was this, this demand by the powers that be particularly than deep state, is that, you know, trump with threatened to change direction or nuance things. I mean, wow, hes the president of the United States. But they drew the line and said the president will not be able to do this and invented a hoax against him. That lives to this day. I mean, we have the, the incoming designated secretary of state. I mean, he was a big russia gator ok. And these people are going to be refined in center again. Go ahead, james. Exactly right. And i think when right talks about the making matters, i call it the no man cliff. They are now firmly in the saddle, and i think we have crossed the rubicon here that there will be no challenge. Edition the future that with the theft of this election, i think it was a normal politics now and of das, the republic as had been breaking down for decades is now finally gone. There will never be and normal National Election in the United States. Again, these people will not let go. How are now that they have that fully integrated . And if you look at bidens team, i mean, you know, these are a pretty package warmongers that make mike on pay a look like gandhi. I mean, a lot of that, this is, you know, i think were going to see now is the word fair state and its narrative. And will only aim to trickle down. But were going to go to the heart break. And after that hard break, well continue, our discussion will be, a conclusion to russia. Get state with r. T. , because you missed where gene for, you know, millions of years to build up an emotional one. When the communication happens within 10 milliseconds, instead i consume in the last half destroying that because it takes about 260 milliseconds just for us to talk. Now if were together in the same room, you know, this emotional bond between us is very different and fine and she will bring this back to the financial survival john, that it was all about Money Laundering 1st to posit this commission, the 3 different oh good. This is a good start. Well, we have our 3 banks all set up here. Maybe something in europe, something in america, something overseas in the cayman islands, or do we do . All these banks are complicit in the kleptocracy. We decided to give mccall and said ok, im ready to do some serious Money Laundering. Ok, lets see how we did. While weve got a nice luxury watch for max and for stacey old, beautiful jewelry. And how about luxury automobile . From that, you know what Money Laundering is highly illegal. Here for a watch has a record welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. Were discussing whether russia gate will ever be completely exposed. Ok lets go back to jim in washington to bring to the break. You were making a point please. Going to show yes. I think that were going to see this integrated warfare state. So fooling control now and the narrative supporting it. Being the only one that is permitted anything else would be Conspiracy Theory if they knew it was increasingly subject to censorship. That when we start getting our one of the 1st things i expect, by the way, is to revive the war in syria and be a regime change operation, syria. I guess we can start setting our watches, waking, the next us arsenal gas attack or whatever it is. I think the pressure against russia will step up exponentially and, and the narrative will shift will be, will be Christiane Amanpour for one. Why and to be out there telling us how dastardly all these countries are, why the United States must act. And if anybody questions that it will simply not be heard by the vast majority of people. And i think this is bifurcation, our society and the marginalization of dissenting views is going to be a permanent feature, not a one to jump in. This one to mention something about syria. Why are we in syria . I know were in syria, but i know for israel most lets face it. The israelis have admitted that their interest in the outcome in syria is that there be no outcome. That would be chaos that the potential perpetual warfare in syria. So that no sunni or shia can prevail and threaten israel. Theyve said that thats been their york times. Look at the lead article, september 6th, 2013. They told the New York Times said, your jerusalem correspondent, the preferred outcome is no outcome. As long as this bloodletting between shia and sunni quote, we have nothing to fear from syria. Thats why were in syria and the 1st the, the time krishna recognize that. We need to tell the american people, this is not our fight. And when are going to send any more us soldiers or even people who will fight for us to mess around the syria, just because israel wants chaos there. You know all of her happy. I think, oh mr. Goodwin to agree here. I mean its, i can understand the way the deep state accent because they protect themselves. Ok. I mean, even the impotent f. B. I. Director. Mean hes protecting the f. B. I. I mean, its so pathetic. I think the attorney general has done better, but thats not his wheelhouse necessarily here, but i am very intimately is the media here and i find it really quite. And i agree with your 1st answer that the media as they tend to kowtow to the powers that be when i mean, there are a lot of people that are very interested in this story here and it, it, and i think theyre smarter group of people to be honest with the ok and we, we make compelling arguments because we actually make arguments. Ok. Because the other side just says, oh, thats just the Conspiracy Theory. But theyre the ones that have been peddling a Conspiracy Theory. And this is the oddity of it all. And i, and im not going to personally say people are liars, but it seems very convenient to go along with this with this narrative. I mean, these people in media, your pay pal, they get access because now media is not about journalism, its about celebrity. I mean, it really works very well for them. And particularly in reporting on the National Security state, they tend to be more stenographers than anything else. I mean, theyre out there is Investigative Journalism out there, but for the National Security state, you just, they feed you when you just write it ok. That is a pretty clean and thats very dangerous. Jim is already said here. He questions the outcome of the election. People are more and more questioning these things here, and thats not very healthy for a person science. And im really afraid were all going to be balkanized. Go ahead. I think we talked about russia gate as being an extraordinary episode of public destruction in which the media was a prime player. Russia gave to structures and many, many things, including the corruption of the d. N. C. And it distracted us from the road doc, money and us elections. A destructive us from everything that is very wrong with the election with this too cocky dominant electoral system that we have. And amongst other things, very sadly, it distracted us from the reality for russia and the reality of china. And anyone whos visited cities recently and such like moscow or st. Petersburg of beijing or shanghai. They will know these are incredibly vibrant places that the world is changing. We have examples of extraordinarily effective Political Leadership in these countries, the likes of which we have not seen here for several decades. This is the reality doesnt media, the us media office, kate, they, they rob 99. 9 percent of the American Population from understanding anything real about these 2, these 2, not just these 2 countries about many countries, but in this context is a particularly important. The fact that we know nothing from the media about russia or about china, you know, were a, one of the things that weve seen a dramatic shift i would say over the last few years is that the neo cons have been able to capture both parties. Now in this is really, this is an amazing and theyve captured the media as well. I mean, when i was growing up, ok, i agree that c. N. N. And table didnt exist, but you didnt have, you know, you know, former directors of intelligence as a contributor to a Television Like on a. B. C. Or n. B. C. Or c. B. S. And now, i mean, i just have to wonder if you know when, when clapper is doing his contribution, i think its over m m s, n b c. I mean, is he camera briefing . And then he tells his producer to tell the presenter to ask me a question. I mean, its just all circular, ok . Its completely circular, like how we got into iraq year. I mean, and all over is absolutely right. I mean, having lived outside of the United States for 22 years living most of my life outside of the United States, the world is a very different place than the media in the u. S. To trace it. Right. Peter, you mentioned james clapper, while National Intelligence director, famous for among other things, shame that you know, the russian, we know from experience that the russians are, are almost should medically driven to be to coopt, to penetrate, to do all kinds of almost chenault tickly driven my god, thats racism. Thats the kind of thing that hillary used. I mean the russians are samus, the jews pushing and the russians have been demonized as is happening now for the chinese and us media. What they dont seem to understand is what the old so its used to call the correlation of forces, correlation of forces or shifted cake. Now is russia and china against the United States. Partly because of the mistakes the United States has made. But theres a Virtual Military Alliance between the 2. Recently said, you know, we dont have to have a treaty, a defense treaty, were so close now though were at that point. Well, let me add something that means if some of our air force worriers cites a dust up, things in the ballot box, say you are up in the north of europe, then theres going to be trouble in the south china sea. Mark my words and the us cant afford this kind of thing. So the earlier that tony blinken and the rest of the stuff im reminded of the old nursery rhyme, we can blink and nod as long as blink. And those are not too much angle, which is the reality. Then we have a chance. But right now it doesnt look like even knows about the reality. He said following the old clinton deal. Kerry drumbeat of demonizing both russia and china in a racial kind of way. And thats beyond the pale because thats part of fascism. You know enoch engine, jim, i remember out of the molar report was released on the New York Times, had some kind of a bed. And i just a just and you know to, to laugh or cry. But they were sayi