Which is obviously fantastic news for people like me. Some george and i like to hug and touch and keys. And it was been deprived of all of those things during a pandemic. But tell me how exactly is it going to work . So, tattling, it in fact refer very well, a lot and see networks. Ive been pioneering in the, the internet which is called the unit of skills, which allows you to transmit skills through the internet security. We can only transmit video or audio or text files. Now imagine a future where actually it can do something for the unit. Wouldnt that be great . And that includes also the touch. Interesting to watch, you know, we do that with that haptic gloves. Theres quite a bit of evidence on the internet on this, how i use that. And we apply that for instance, in broad except jury is one of the applications where a surgeon would do the robotic surgery remotely and would use. I have to glove to feel what he or she is actually, you know, a dream be operational. So we see a lot of potential is there, but you need other equipment apart from that very powerful 5 g. Network. But how long till we all have tech talent in our homes. So that depends really on the each country. So 1st of all of course, the regulation needs to be favorable in the spectrum needs to be released. So 5 g. Will look work without you know, the dip to right spectrum in place. Then the investment needs to be in place. Because the 4 g. Equipment needs to be upgraded to 5 g. And then to conceal appetite in the industry. Appetite needs to be ready, so we see, you know, different phases in asia, for instance, we see the Regulatory Framework very, very favorable, investment favorable and consumers generally take it up very quickly. So there we will probably buy 2023. We will have a fair and consistent, well average, you know, 5 g. Technology in the u. K. Its a little bit later. So you know, i 2025 probably will have a very consistent rollout now of you know, fool full if they all the possible well well need to see great depends on this relationship between the 3 factis. Well, i understand youre more focused on the technical side of things, but being able to not just see your visa, but also like touch them despite being thousands of miles apart. How well do is transformed human communication. I guess what im asking is, how will the virtual version of face to face or hand to hand actually compete with their real Life Experience and real people . Thats a great question and i personally believe there will be a massive shift 3 and i have experienced that myself. So i gave the worlds 1st 5 g. Concert where i was playing the piano and my daughter. She was singing in london the guildhall and we were separated by a 1000 kilometer this and yet 5 g. Brought us together within a few milliseconds. And it felt as if she was with me. And that is really what will be the game changer that low lock seat will create. The sensation of immediacy will essentially synchronize realities will go beyond a minute, reality, oh, Virtual Reality rule. Go in the world of reality and that we as humans, were good for you. Know millions of years to build up an emotional void and when the communication happens within 10 milliseconds and stipends zoom and all that after destroying that because it takes about 260000000 seconds just for us to talk. Now, if we are together in the same room, you know, this emotional bond between us is very different, and 5 g. Will bring this back. So i think there will be a massive shift you know, to what is additional tools, remote working, changing demographics and all that will be powered within the 1st test by 5 g. So right now, communication over the internet is basically looking at the screen saying your image with the speeds offered by 5 g. Will the 2 d. Paradigm change . And what im asking is that, like, are we going to get like starstruck hologram colace or a lake, you know, Virtual Reality stream through sky. So im in reality is actually, you know, already a reality with holographic combination is really, is really very close. In fact, you know, the very 1st smartphones are being released as far as like these, where youre holding like that, where you use another phone, essentially as a, as an intermediate screen. And you see a whole rafique images. Now if you think that in the future, we could use our allocations, which i have on my phone for this is called clone. I do a holographic scan off my face and that is then being projected into their futures zoom type of caterpillar e. So we could, which will do you have, a fully holographic 3 d. , fully immersive meeting happening with that being physically together. And thats a future which is coming very quickly. He also said that the 5 g. Speeds and the new networks ability to networks, ability to send touch over the internet will transform the education altogether. What do you mean . Exactly . So i just cation, its clearly the learning part of so learning new, new skills. And so far we have great learning platforms, but they are all video or text based record. And if you want to have something more practical hands on, this is the surgeons at kings or the dentists kings need to come to Kings College in london to learn how to do the surgery, how to do the drilling of the t. V. Now the future with the n. F. Skills and using this little lot of sci fi, t. Capital. And he allows us now suddenly to off alerting plot holes where you can learn these how date skills, you know, the tach in the Muscle Movement for the internet. And that will allow us to skill up at scale, you know, any, any type of professional care, think of where you need a more practical slant to that. And in addition, you can suddenly run examinations which are not any more subjective to what the examiner has cities, but actually subjective in terms of how this sojourn student moves, the hen, how, how he or she does those things. So we can will suddenly not only power the learning process, but also the examination process. And if you check, well you mentioned remote surgeries. How reliable is 5 gene that respect . Yes, actually we started talking about this specifically me with practice group. There was a pioneer of robotic surgery and it happens to be a king. So we started the whole field. And, you know, initially i got a lot of, you know, a lot of reservations also from the press and that made, you know, god was really quick as i say, because its now becoming mainstream on offer a shell in china. Its been started to be used green. Now if i did, you have designed 5 to be very reliable. So we talk in terms of reliability and how many nines b. I. V. Your percentages you have, it is very reliable. But still we need to build it as a restriction of that. If theres a package out that you know, the reporting on doesnt move in the way it weighs. So we, this is being done from a, from a robotics point of view. But we also need to make sure that security is very reliable because you dont want anybody to back into it alive or what extraordinary, and then cause havoc. So we have quite a bit of work still to be done to really make sure that these systems are reliable. And what else can be sort of tell us sized with, i mean you talk a lot about playing live music over the internet with no lack. Thats a bonus. What else . I mean, could we use it to talk about medicine . Im also looking a lot into the arts. So i work with a lot of a lot of artists and im a composer myself and a performing pianist. So the question is, could we democratize the way how we essentially perform the arts, how we teach the arts, you know, could actually teach anybody in the world how to play the piano, or somebody teaches me how to paint. So these type of capital it is, you know, will be very important, but specifically i think, oh, it brought it back with the, with the a stop autists in that they need a rethink on how to offer these are, you know, its a mess of kind of experiences in a way which is different juju, people coming and going to the stadium and listening to them. Could you for instance, enter remotely control a construction site the future i envisaged that for the future to be exactly like that. So you would have a fairly cheap or outlet with possibly an exoskeleton, which is then being controlled, especially remotely, from any other part in the world. And we have demonstrated a very, very exciting use case which wasnt with construction per se, but very similar. And that was with a drone. So we had a 5 g. Drawn in the majority of 5. G. Drones has a 5 g. Connection, just a drone. We did something else. We connected the control of the drone, you know, to the United States for a 5 g. s slice, as we call it, it went all the way back from varieties and shoot each e. And then only controlled a drop. So what we wanted to show is that this future of scales using 5 g. Technology allowed us to control a very critical process, flying a very Big Industrial drone from anywhere in the world to anywhere else in the world. So therefore, these type of publications will hopefully become mainstream, maybe in 5 to 10 years time. So basically liking 10 years time, you can orchestrate a whole war, right. I mean, how, like italo warfare planes and tanks and attack helicopters and such you know, we hope this will not happen and certainly it will, because that never happens without that part. Yet any progress that we ate, a cheve always is tain with that part. And so, yeah, probably youre right, so i have to reason with the use of technology as you know, always bit to some degree used for, for the west, part of humanity. A lot of that will actually append on our care abilities will shoot. You Artificial Intelligence in so its not only 5 g. In robotics, it needs to be a lot of ai involved in currently a global scale days, a lot of discussions around you know, panels of the server. It had also ethics regulation and requirements on ai. So i think, you know, our ability as a humanity just stop this to be used, you know, within wars within conflicts i think really resides at these panels. And i hope there will be fruitful over the next years. d to come, we show then take a short break right now when were back. Well continue talking to misha dollar, professor in Wireless Communications at Kings College london, talking about the 5 g. And the prospects it holds for us. Stay with us as the Drug Administration comes in, those who dreamed up and executed the hoax ever be held accountable. Will the media ever be held accountable for the role they played and should be now assume the deep state is truly out of it. People come up with the truth on the money but it is about and were back with mischa dollar professor in Wireless Communications and Kings College drescher talking about this 5 g. Since we started talking about the they did down solace of arctic not logical breakthroughs. Lets talk a bit about the darker side of the internet and what will happen to that part once at once we have 5 g. I mean, do you feel like were going to have more sophisticated spy and Surveillance Systems in the internat . Whatever it is, it was were fighting it right now, right . We will know that we lost our privacy was going to happen with live as it is. It is a good question. And i think, you know, the consumers in general, you generally should be concerned about this and they have all the right to be informed. Now, as you well know, maybe you dont know that, but you know, the ability for a legal access to the infrastructure has already been there. So if you use a governmental as a judge or as a police or any other investigators have a legal war and to access the data in a freeze you for your 5 g. System, this was always possible. In fact, this is even standardize trade. So it is no secret there. Now in terms of illegal acts, ok, so basically the ability to hack into this, whether this is a government state on malicious octo or just some judge doing acking into in 5 g. You know, because it is a fully software, a system in principle, this could become a little easier. But at the same time, what we have done is we have also improved the security of the fine gene for structure. So therefore were doing the best we can to protect that infrastructure from that type of malicious access. So i also wonder what kind of like mobile techs, advancements will be spurred by the new speeds of g 5. Like, how will a 5 g. Change the mobile phone . Because when we had like 3 g. Or forging networks, the mobile phone makers rose up to new possibilities and there was no point in making like a smartphone with a huge screen before. Because you can really stream anything through slow internet. What about now, how do you think its going to transform as a great, great question. Youre asking, and its, you know, that actually reminds me of the sentence, which is best, but the form of she does erickson the current chief executive of the rise and said, you know, we started designing 3 g. When the internet wasnt around. And we started designing 4 g. When the, when the smartphone was the ram, so equally, you know, whats now 5 g. 60. Why are we doing that . And youre right, and i think you know, the 5 g. Cap abilities bring you back to an earlier part of the conversation. A lot is a lot of this holographic. And you know, this is a matter of reality transmission. And therefore, we need to adapt actually the phones and there are a lot of prototyping going on. And i wouldnt be surprised if you know, i phone way up for you. 1516 will have the capital of the form yet. You have the whole graphic image of you senshi as we speak so much more naturally and gauge line, and also people who are actually on vibrations. So this happy feet. When you shop something, you go over the screen and you touch it and it vibrates. And depending whether that is a piece or board away that is, you know, up close your bias, you can feel on your smartphone, what actually you know, you see on your screen. So these type of revolutions will essentially being enabling accelerated through that 5 g. To knology, you know, with this starling project within a few decades, a mask is playing to send 40000. 00 satellites to space that would be able to bring free high speed, low latency internet, to even the most remote area centers do you see starling as a competitor to 5 g. Those studies, it is a great complementary to knology. So you dont particularly, you know, we struggle from a Telecom Point of view to give business cases which allow us to roll out this technology with the same intensity in an rural and suburban areas as we do that in the, in the, in the urban areas. So therefore, to have a cap ability, which allows has really a global e ensure coverage no matter where you are, whether in the outback, in australia or you in siberia or you know, in the rain forest, you know, still maintain a phone connection. I think that is very, very attractive and it really underpins that global footprint of our wireless technology. Nearly half of the worlds population right now dont have access to the internet whatsoever. Let alone 5 g. Or 3 g. And according to unesco, more than 800000000 students kept out of the classrooms, get to the pen demick and they have no computers. And more than 700000000 dont even have internet at home. And since 5 g. Cant solve this problem, will it only widen the gap between those 2 axes, the new high speeds and those without any access to it . So potentially that could be the case. If the government does not do governments around the world dont intervene, you know, from a regulatory point of view. So quite a few governments, including in the United Kingdom point out is a requirement for the 5 g. License to show sufficient for print in the rural areas which cow essentially views under privileged coverage areas. Now that, thats one part of the 5 g. Also is not only about highest speed. So interesting to some of the frequencies we have using our to very low frequencies, which he used to be as you know, what you really just needed one bit antenna tower in the city. And it would have a especially the, a quite a wide area. So therefore, we would get, you know, not the super duper change bits per 2nd. 5 g. Speeds everywhere. But we would have at least a decent coverage. Nick schools to connect people who want to learn from platforms, you know, like you to me or corsair out. So i think 5, she gives us that opportunity, but it has to be made, right. The economic case has to be there. And hopefully, you know, the likes of a lot of must, will then also cover the remaining of these underprivileged areas. So heres the thing lake with a 5 g. Not even rolled out yet. There is already taco 6. Gee, whats that going to be like . And also like the way you describe 5 g. , it just sounds so ultimately could possibly be improved in the new generation. So then that, and then of course we always looking ahead in fact, you know, we worked on 5 g. As of 2012, so it was 8 years in may. And naturally, you know, we started working on 60 back to, you know, 9 months ago. And the good thing is, you know, we have a trend in telecoms, which is fairly steady. So as we go from 2 to 3, to 4 to 5 g. , you know, we always improve something by one of 2 orders of magnitude and 60 will be no different. So i know how it looks like. I know what time of the data rate office, what type of feature office write. The thing we dont know is yet why do we do that . And how are we going to going to do it, right. So we carry, work out roughly how were going to do it. And in a while were going to thought thinking why were doing that. And one thing i could imagine is you know, that some of that Network Capacity or capital loading 60, it will be used more for 4 machines, fought efficient televisions to maintain essentially, you know, itself. So the sizing structures and that is the hypotheses which we need to validate if you use time. So were always be attentive data waiting to be moved around quickly. And thats like requiring constant new generation tech for conic to vittie. Or will there be like at some point, some kind of a g. Like 7 g. Or a 23 g. Are no after which well say ok, weve got the internet working now, no heat for a new network. That is being the right person who is the 1st one to advocate if you know that generation is solid, as i call that will stop at some point and i had hoped it would start with fire, keep it clear were going on. And the reason i thought i would stop with 5 g. Is because we have completely software as the infrastructure. In fact, if you think about it, telecoms is probably the only big ecosystem in a place which still moves and these big generations, every 10 years. Ok, if you think of the internet, you dont hear of 5 genome at all 10 genomic, right . Because we are, everything is on software. So innovation happens much quicker and happens in feature x. Rayed. And therefore, we hope to translate that feature of the aleutian, you know, into the telco will of, and find you may not be yet the generation to do it. I think 60 can do it in 7. G. I think will be more cell. So this is network a. G. Will consolidate it. So i think a. G. Will be greedy. A lot will be talking about maybe you know, the 30 decided we can come back to this discussion. Well see how it goes. Ok. So even before the condemn me, there have been a lot of conspiracy theories about health risks. 5 g. May be causing it. But once the pandemic struck, i mean their number has increased time fold, and dozens of 5 g. Towers were birthed in the u. K. And elsewhere around the world. Scientists have many times stated that she cannot cosco that another house conditions as well, but false rumors about it continue to spread. Why is it wise words is such a lake . Black clouds of bad rumors around 5 g. Weve never seen that before. Well, you know, interesting, we have every generation. So you know, if we had a 3 g. , we have pulled you, we have a 5 g. , but theres a difference now to be 14 for each year out. We have a, a social media world, which is, you know, not only exponentially connecting everybody, but people have really become addicted to this very kind of conspiracy clear bait material. And you need to contrast that to the fairly boring engineering videos, which out this say, you know, nothing can happen and you understand why this goes viral. So, and i maintained for a long time already we as an engineering community, we need to be a need to do better to explain to society why the technologys safe. And you know, before we fired out 5 g. This was like, you know, years of making almost a decade and making and theres a whole body responsible for doing nothing else. But checking whether the frequencies can do any on the body is a very non sexy language in the National Committee for long. I and i sing already ation protection. If you go to the website, explains it really well. Why any of these frequencies we use in 5 g. Can cannot cause any harm. Its a very rigorous methodology. And in terms of coded interestedly, you know, people confuse correlation with causalities. So one is when 2 things happen at the same time. And the that is what happens while. So will you find the areas where you have both 5 g. And kovac to a desk . Yes, there are a lot of those, you know, will have 5 g. Course that the answer is no, because there are countries like iran where theres no 5 year old out at all. We had a lot of cars allergies and loads of the areas in the u. K. Or anywhere else in the world where theres no 5 g. Deployed. And yet we have quite a few cars are causalities there. So therefore, always make sure you dont confuse correlation with causality. Because really, one does not cause the other, can public outrage stahl research . I mean, can peoples erratic behavior and conspiracy theories have an impact on your research into the conduct of it . So ok, thats a difficult question for me. Johnson. Its a very hypothetical question. So i think we, we continue doing the research, we need to do vons, you know, Technology Evolves society and i think what will change, and im actually personally pushing for that is to make sure that we get the message, right . So when 60 comes along that well before 6 years released, we have a not really interesting material or made available which explains to society why this is a safety knology. Why that is a Good Technology and why we think it will really be important to society. So i think that pot of the exercise will change as a result of this very viral kind of, you know, outbreak we have seen with 5 g. , which i thank you so much for this really interesting insight into the world of comic tittie and the breakthroughs that were in for in the nearest future, and i hope all the best in your future endeavors and your research into the high tech. Thanks a lot. If youre just feel welcome, you dont hold a memory a little. But notice when youre watching cruiser 2 sides on the get up on the board with the boy in the novel, you can use new york city, but im still explaining to surat. Yes. Some of them wanted something new and that is such a feature of the local which is based on what you own or one with your leanings leakers to start to look at your bullshit i would have looked as i would sure that israel media a reflection of reality in a world transformed what will make you feel safe from tyson nation, full community. 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