A real shift. I mean, the problem is donald trump was of course he still is that hes not a real democrat if keely authoritarian tendencies. We see that in this refusal to leave the white collar to concede the election to joe biden, though its pretty clear that yes, lost the election. Even republican senator now is an indian style of behavior asking, you know, absent of policy. Yeah, exactly. And so joe biden, bill has announced it will convene a summit for democracy, so he wants to rally americans and us round table again to really make them more coherent to improve the relationship, particularly the c. E. O. Of p. And ls suno. And the relations was in nato. Relations was in the e. U. Back if straight he had a very hostile, almost relationship to enter. So biden will have a totally different policy. Trishas has value of life. And above all, he seems to realize that the United States is a lot stronger to get all its allies rather than to go it alone. And under, under trump, we saw a more unilateral america going to the old policy. And i think that will change fundamentally in one of your recent analysis of trumps Foreign Policy. You single out its 3 primary strands disengaging the us from local politics, does deigning allies, you just retreated. That point right now and defriended our pratik leader. Hes now a naturally, as a russian, as and perhaps in your view as a shill for one sect, arc radical leader. I want to ask you specifically, what does it mean befriending autocratic leaders . Well, we have a very disconcerting congress is under trumps that for example, trump became very close to Saudi Arabian crown prince. And you know that the crown prince was at least implicated in the murder, also generalists, kushal b. And by everyone content that trump did not say a word about it, instead of that he continued having very good relations, a lot of personal relations with members of this administration at that same also, he did not criticize what was going on in europe regarding hungry and poland and the presently or to credit policies of these 2 countries. Cus, you know, its condemned. It is trying to do something about it by trump has kept quiet for now though. Say that you would see that. And i read that proposal. R. C. Seem to be equating public statements rapturing to policy and has studied them Foreign Policy in the United States. And our start as and im sure you teach your students that words are not the same as actions. Absolutely. But like statements dont make up a policy, in fact, and those that you would be diametrically opposed to one another. So again, lets not look at public statements. I read there is a major different since style in persona and character, but there was a personal things i am asking you about the substantive change in the course of the United States. And again, in polish the trends because at least in the liberal circles, they dont love using this befriending autocratic leaders, cliche. But what does it mean in adelaide . Equal terms . Big, all of that policy demeans of that policy. And the possible outcomes of that policy in that hes been obviously, you know, for example by, as i mentioned, the summit off democracy of course. So people where the wind is blowing in the United States. And he builds, if youre in a hotel and orders out your bill supports the e. U. Regarding the policy towards poland in hungary, while trump has indirectly, but big keeping quiet by expressing some perceived as expressed support for these people. And that, of course, in bolton. And you dont, you wont see that still in bold meant and of having set of course also realize the strategic relationship, the United States has to sortie arabia. You will not stroll in saudi arabia into an enemy, and no one would expect that. And the other hand, you know, not let the crown prince get away with these sort of policy. Can i ask you something about this . When was President Biden was in office together with president obama. They tell him that allowed saudi arabia to launch one of the most murderous, bloodiest wars there is, has still continuing right now. And i understand that, that there is a certain air resonance about the absolute horrific nature of that one killing. But under biden and obama, hundreds of thousands of such killings have been taking place. Can you really put down this . So your ministry of their coverage of the wall is a human conducted for saudi arabia and of those have you stopped to do it while the obama was in power. And its certainly this one. Its a black on the Obama Administration. The only one, i dont know, not saying that its one of my points that they didnt do anything about it, but biden was, of course, vice president. He did have an influence obama could if i was in the end, he did possums a guy who took the decision that clearly was president. That is different now. And of course also in the last few years or so. You can statements have looked for what is going on in that part of the world, how to start troika even become how terrible that the human cost has been. So i would expect to reverse that course and not too soon for saudi arabia or yes said so, and of course us will got to see their quality issues and they say things during combat. Its therefore up when these statements, but i would expect a biden to do so it clearly is more in favor of human rights, for example, in general. Then for example, President Trump, who never even use a term of human rights. Well, you didnt hear my next question, and i think its partially time that ties meant that my questions about your choice of vocabulary that is befriending the autocratic leader, is because its true that donald trump had a more pragmatic, last moralistic approach to Foreign Policy. And i think its high time where the will to debate how we define morality in international relations. What is good and what is bad . What are the limits . The legitimate uses of military power, so that we dont see carnage like we saw in yemen in libya, in iraq, all of which were born out of good moralistic intentions. Repeat again. And my question to you is dont you think that by using east liberal catchphrase is befriending, which is essentially an attack by association. Youre out in a way kind of flashing the need for the world to have that conversation. And if you, if you look around the world is really crying out for it because all the major problems we have right now, refugees, internally displaced and down, makes immigration, the riser for a populist. They can all be tied to the war. Its a band. I know, and i think, i think you can agree that human rights are something to do with killing people and killing people is always a bad idea. And that applies to all countries be. Its the United States, or russia, or china, or other great ousts, you know, gay or getting involved or stopping was pushing was annexing countries that are trying to develop incursions and countries is a bad thing. And biden is a case here for him. And yours, in proportion rather than examples only because i feel the only reason to russians are, as im always there really well a lot have now the signal light was low there, you cannot compress Something Like that. So you look, lets say an operation and leave the air, which again is the same matter of analysis. You cannot compare, compare the killing of to shaw gets you the bloody war in vietnam, and that the Obama Administration has oversaw. So the question is, who is really moral and these in order . I mean, so arabia has not just gilchrist showed you that of course, very active in yemen and in other conflicts around the world or not, or didnt you now do a final round of little ministries and yeah, we might get the money horse and United States needs to do something about that, and biden has that he would do so well. Belief in whether he will follow up, we dont know costs, you will not be a perfect president. He will not fulfill all of our human rights expectations and their strategic considerations. Also all considerations that any president , any pretty sure s. To take into rica. However, the President Trump was a very ruthless politician who only looked at strategic. Its just, he did not consider human rights at all. And i think this will change. Definitely, that doesnt mean that the United States now will pursue a policy that is exclusively oriented along human rights. Like this might be nice, this might be a perfect scenario, is unlikely to have professor lars eller as for all his recklessness. Donald trump has launched a single war stuff. Sometimes. I mean, when you can be a cunt pierre, you know how many human lives lost out of concern for human rights. Sometimes you may think that perhaps its safer for the world for that americans. Do you put that aside, but really were defendo for the vote. Im not defending in im actually, im not buying into this american habit of looking at that parents. As i think this is, theres a strong strand in the russian Foreign Policy of actually looking at the results, not what they call you, but what they do at the end of the day. And what are your plans is because if you come to my country and kill my child out of good intentions, i dont care what your intentions were. I can i carry my, my life sunbeam. Lots that are if you have a brief look at it on the trumps policies and we havent launched this in the war, thats the arizona drill. I dont disapprove said of course he hasnt, but still the world is a no mess. You know, we have relations with russia which have become better. We have relations with china, very tense, very constituents, yes. Relations. Because iran, its a very constituent, even last week, a few days ago. Dollars rent a pound. They consider bombing iran. You have the Transatlantic Alliance which go to interest in a mask that all happened under the trump this. These are not good developments. I grant you that, that he did not launch a major wall. Thats another minor thing because there is a huge difference between the work, warts, which he was waging and the real war the claims lives. Anyway, professor larson, we have to take a very short break right now. 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Welcome back to worlds apart, their ploughs lloris professor at the university of North Carolina at chapel hill, professor just before the break we were discussing. The renewed commitment of the United States in human rights and democracy, and you, joe biden, is rated. I want to add a mention that he was one of the very few people within the Obama Administration who was against the whole leave the endeavor. And he actually in a way, repurpose trumps own rhetoric for anding the endless war in bidens terms. Its therefore our wars, we have cost the United States untold blood and treasure. And he forgot to mention though, that many of those wars were either launched directly or indirectly approved by the United States. But anyway, do you think the Biden Administration will be ready for some kind of like, why and alice is of how this American Leadership is supposed to be if they reinstituted on to there was because as im sure you wouldnt remember me, there will in 2021 is very different from the world, even in 2016. You know, most american administrations spent that come into office. They consider all their Foreign Policy relations are always a world that is usually an exercise every administration dust. And im sure joe biden ministration bill do that as well. What you will see, and that is perhaps the major difference was a trumpet. Ministration is a more predictable and more reliable Foreign Policy. And for those who knew what to expect from the white house policy, it wont change every 2 days. So Something Like that bill actually, i think also be predicted by those countries who come some cells, a soso of america, including perhaps russia and china and saudi arabia who will be in the middle. You know, it will not be regarded as a foe. It will not be regarded as a close friend for example. So we knew who we can expect a new approach. And i think that may be a good approach which quiets down. Relations goes away from that heated every day media circus, a tree saw, and a President Trump. In the end, as i said before, president by bill not to be a perfect president , no president can be evil, have strategic considerations to consider from his point. A few from an American Point of view, juma, priest, china, russia, all other countries to some extent. But i think that will also, he will also make an attempt, and that is probably what he has learned in over 50 years. And honestly, if that isnt a good idea to find call in ground was countries you may end up has the best relationship is talking about russia, the renewal of the human stocks. Treaty, i think would be a great stuff for having Something Like a reset with russia, interest, china. They are also other considerations like cooperation on climate change, cooperation, maybe on of gunnison on the middle east so that the areas you can find where countries who are not necessarily friendly was each other can cooperate for a later candidate. Not all circumstances you can find that unless you are every bit as german, id want and need your ready to eat raw misstatements of the by the u. S. Mission and that, you know, a lot of very abstract language about human rights and democracy are. There are lots and lots of practical issues in the walls that i went on that made sense of all of whining like racism, robert mind, what charity or that dumps and all about the American News and democracy. But the operation on those issues get more offended by one side, ideologically wash, actory. Do you think the bidens stray . Sure there are up for this out. Youre engaged those countries. Now, glens all respect, especially when it, sooner than one based that over the last 20 years about russia, about exams, i dont know how they can do that. Serious. I mean, that goes both ways. No politicians tend to say a lot about each other. And when the enemy marrying that enemy act in that right, the girl at sonic, they dont talk in a similar way. And of course, you know, byron is well known for having countless set to have. I may have to do that. He looked into his soul and theyre looking to his eyes and didnt find a soul. That is, im sure, a room, i can smell it, going its own repeating it dryer. Let me just remind our viewers that elsa came was great, you 1000 allowed that counts as against running for president. Again, speaking about interference in expenses, electoral navy, these are men having to get very long history and very much trouble is. I mean, you cant cross talk about the interference in each of those countries and each of us domestic policy, russian descent from nation come paints 2016228 kind of way and have been concerned. But i dont want to go into that. What i dont want to say is replications actually meet privately in a room or at a summit. Then election campaigns off to rooms full of the media rigid. They also have to take into consideration for that too messy or you know, its on both sides. They usually say not the remarks all unpleasant or in mosques, they usually go quickly out of the window and i would be very surprised if you have clinton and joe biden. Didnt have a good conversation. The 3 of that say im pleasant req. To rape. And if they wouldnt try to find common ground, like for example, extending the new start treaty. And that could be the basis of perhaps, you know, a reset. But for reset, as the saying goes, it needs 2 to tango, all the americans are left to give something. But the russians are going to have to give something at a concessions. And you know, that would be nice if Something Like that happened and professionally as i have no doubt in my mind that the russians have long been writing for to have it all out. But i have grave doubts that the Biden Administration is people of that, especially given article you can actually get more and how can you post based on it of democracies on why should i reach your commitment to you . America is that while democracy and human rights are one camp and whole region and dictator attic you are a journalist and deal bit here. On the other hand, i mean all that all politicians, especially on their liberal living at rates, but not insolvent database of their boat under grievous that it is quite possible to try to attempt to have a reset with dictators and the world autocrats and the world be the cold boot to know if he should bring all of it to press even with the most Korean Leader without accepting all of their policies. All the methods that is excellent to the skillfulness of 2 promises and politics that you try to fit to really cola to create the areas you can agree on and to cite the areas yo