A person the years, both politically and personally, but well, not everybody is paying attention to his attempt to take over the military in terms of putting them on the street against the american protesters, thats a turn to the democrats for a 2nd go, at least presumably this time around. You said you dont support biden, you didnt detect the kind of d. N. C. Dirty tricks against your brother. That wiki leaks revealed to the world in 2016, as they showed they deliberately attempted to sabotage your brother. Well, thats their job, their are the other side. They have a set of rules and a set of alterations to support. I never thought of them as dirty tricks. That is what you do in a Political Campaign against somebody whos basically your post and burn only basically opposed to them both campaigns. And they did a lot of things. Biden is on the placement, probably a little bit less aggressively nasty than clinton. But the crucial thing you stop those campaign trail oppositions. The crucial thing is that a lot stronger. The Democratic Party is a very right wing of party it and it in operation like, well, you know, putting your green party hat on, aside from, you know, talk of the militarism of trump, your, your seem to be kind of well welcoming biden. And we know that biden supports fracking, which presumably you believe is a, is an existential threat to the entire planet. Absolutely dont know. Look, what im saying is that we have, by a whisker awarded the most powerful man in the world, having direct control of military forces. d to be used on the streets whose country that would have been an incredible step back. It may happen yet. This is no, nothing at all. So when im saying things that i am pleased, i am the odd one. It is not because i have Great Expectations of him in policy. The policy here, his people, when they have dished out or is brilliant, it is actually very good. It is good or you know and in some areas probably more comprehensive. So if biden does a bite and there is some pressure on him, hes got a lot of leeway in this regard. Burn, or you can disregard all that. You can disregard reach to some extent, but there is problem there too. That means that there are no siege in calling, not just the whole science and our own opinions and to burn on civilians. But she grew corn 200 we signed up. So are you seeing youve seen who stamped and its certainly not your brother. And one person being talked about is michelle flournoy. Famously of the center for a new security which is funded by weapons manufacturers to congress people. Barbara, lead them across from california and mark corn for a democrat from wisconsin. Have written to biden seemingly begging the neo cons. Are not promoted to bidens cabinet. And you know, by his record on, from, i dont know, grenada and panama to the death squads of Central America right to libya. Why this belief that he can be persuaded to be progressive . 5 is a conventional politician. And yet we hold him to big money for years, rolled into the Defense Industry and he hides it isnt. There is no reason to think of him as censure your green president. On the other hand, he has got to pay some of time. Neither you or i know how much the term 3 will nor what will do well. But are you, there is a problem on the side of the, the Green Movement . Well, you know, i dont know whether youve talked to your brother. Many, many people around the world think he might very well begin. Bombing, syria is this 1st military escapade in january given the people he appears to be appointing. And the fact that those around Hillary Clinton appeared to be in the shadows. Yes. What do you, what do you tell you that it would be better to have a different president . No one up with your better, our different president. We dont know if the president , we know who the president is. There are some people who pretended they dont know. Thats a different role. And its a real problem. You have, trump is a very powerful figure in american politics, even though hes a lawyer. Well, lets just move over to britain. Now, of course, i should just say we want to talk about health. Generally corbins being in the news here, an ally and supporter of your brother in the United States. What do you make of his attempts to get back into the British Labor party on the sakia starmer . Hes a cause to been accused of anti semitism. He has similar to your brother being accused of anti semitism, arguably in the United States for wishing to support a resolution was on palestine. They didnt get away with it. Is it was just so stomach to suspend fowle at every point and probably politically we made a mistake in 03. Around at the summit is by no means a labor party supporter, the strong, liberal party and certainly very important to the country. And colbert is an essential element of the and i dont understand, marc farmer took shots are. d risky, politically, much less morally wrong, but this is stammer, oversea, you know, is he has anything to do with the suspension of Jeremy Coleman from the labor party and that it was old to do with the process. But one thing is, for sure. Corbin detested the privatisation outsourcing of health care as a health care spokesperson for the england and wales green party. Tell me how you think britain has dealt with the covert death toll worse by capita than trumps usa. But i think you are wrong. I think the us is catching up the end deaths per 1000000. People saw it, but i think britain is still ahead and the worst large country in the world, i think in terms of capital from coal. And you mentioned about the whole testing in tracing truck kind of thing and its connection with privatization. See what wattage torigoe winters do are used actually are, and i didnt quite believe that what they had here. We had a damaged Public Health system damaged, essentially by the 2012, closely held, built with broken into different pieces. Urban had actually only very good, very old what, leaving your original group in the world and instead Building Back on those people fragmented, all a service was plus the local energized, and the priests who know their new communities or slow government, we could have had a record low going very struck in trade system. I mean that the birth through edith jones of health secretary, matt called off of this 12000000000 of taxpayers money, was handed out to a diner. Hardys tess and tracy absolutely called says early, constantly improving our response to bring the confidence that high quality testing can provide. Weve already built the largest coronavirus Testing Capacity in europe. Well, testing is diving here in a. Its not true. Theyre testing system is most of it is inferior to anybody to, to reality. But the crucial thing is that your test interest is center of how you deal with. d the time you have separate people out and there are 2 ways to do it. You could have a full blown shutdown and everybody stays home. And thats fun. With stopping the spread, but its very destructive as well. But it and what you, your main needs are to get remote to getting it back to square one. But once youre back there to keep things from escalating because they could upgrade very rapidly. As we, as weve seen, you have to find ways of finding the people who have the seeds. Secondly, because a lot of people are not symptomatic, you have to have testing to find those people. When you find those people who have the disease, you then truck out, all the people theyve been in contact with is the merits of the operation tendon. Tens of thousands of people. You have to have people who know how to talk to people and get their agreement, and then you have to have ways of supporting those. Ok, well, i mean, took office. He says its doing that. The private outsourcing company and the c. E. O. And Winston Churchill relative sums ribosomes says what we and our partners have done is nothing short of extraordinary. Do you detect corruption in the procurement and all that . But at every level, yes, of course is corruption. You know, theres hardly a day goes by that there isnt a new company, private company, serco z. Is those famous the most disastrous of them. But theres loads and they all have contacts them in the tory party. Theyre all either friends or relatives, cronies or what whatever. Well were investigating. Generally one of the only william is the well only one and off 1000000000 pounds is alleged to have been given to tory Link Companies according to one investigation here. How much one and a half 1000000000 pounds to one little fracture . Yes, it returns i can i have and that is the model. There are many tens of billions. d 12000000001 girl on the, on the track and trace is probably there too, and theyre working on this 200000000001 testing everybody in the country. But as i may try to make clear casting is a part of your system, but its not the whole part. You just test, you dont do anything to the point is to find out whos got it, whos in contact and get them out of circulation. Thats what drives the dumbass, the people suffering from the epidemic down. And they havent done that. They set up this enormously expensive, totally centralized system, which has on train people on telephoto people hundreds of miles away. They have no idea who that they dont follow them up. You know, they wasted all that money. More important than the money is a waste. All those lives we are back in the hole now with more people dying and having to go into it, shut down, which because people will begin to adequately compensated for this is going to cause enormous misery and probably just as well. So the use of the failure to use the public system that exists and to build on that and that knowledge and that expertise. And to institute an entirely new massively expensive massively in the Pension System is cost us. The money is the least well psychosis, he returns he denies that hes proud of the wreck, ordinary scientist, thank you. After the break, what is the fighting in the horn of africa . Catalyzing . Tens of thousands of refugees going to do with joe biden Foreign Policy. The World Health Organization coronavirus, we investigate the fake news context of a grain attacks on every train. And ethiopia. All this is all coming up in part 2. Im going on the ground greater trenchard, to say. Simpson, exacerbating and alarming everyone who mindlessly actually what that means is we end up Picking Solutions that cost a lot, but actually doing very little. Its just a kind of feel good. Instead of the solutions that would fix Global Warming was always in the bull, but the most rational, big city bright lights, huge opportunities and many dangers to play with. And its also a city where up to 300000. 00 crimes are committed every year for the last one. But it will be your most, its still through the reserve least one Police Officer think every 200 residents in russias capital on the english. I mean to me that will not go after listening to those who would have to last welcome back. Tens of thousands of refugees are reportedly fleeing ethiopia for sue don after 2 grand militants, bankrolled under the obama biden administration. Exactly globally strategic nations of eritrea and ethiopia. I was joined from washington d. C. By former long time ethiopian opposition leader. Namin welcome to going on the ground a lot of talk around the world about who joe biden might put in his cabinet when it comes to Foreign Affairs at the state department. And so on. Should he become president of the United States . What propaganda . A you, detecting from the current conflict between the gray in a Peoples Liberation front and ethiopia, and eritrea in the most strategic place on earth. Arguably where all the worlds shipping goes through. As regards this conflict, theyre not pained and turned out in the International Community. A totally false glossing over so many incidents where suburbs, arguing and prodding to destabilize for the past 2 years since the reformist government of came to 2000. This is a culmination of destabilizing measures. Violations of law order in terms inches and belligerence carried out by the left leaders because they lost the dominance and the lost power. They lost the lions share of both on the political and economic life. Or if you have a special song about the timing, just as it looks like it could be possible that biden may return to the government along with a bomb or hair or officials, you might have to explain having to gray Peoples Liberation front. Were defacto funded by the obama biden government, when the p. L. F. Were in power in addis ababa, arguably, theres a grain of truth in that line of reasoning because some of the people now president elect biden, who were very much working with the leaders, specifically the late Prime Minister and the p. L. F. Strongman. Now we are worried about the continuation of this property p. L. F. Policy by bidens president elect biden for a Foreign Policy team. But why on earth . As you allege, susan rice support government in ethiopia are accused by so many n. G. O. S of war crimes. And why would anyone be interested in catalyzing . Tens of thousands reported refugees fleeing right now to sedan from this conflict. Continuation of a cynical practice because on one hand, you know, they 1000 democracy and liberty. On the other hand, they support dictatorship like russia for 27 years, plus personal relationships with people developed by the likes of rice and others within the previous obama administration. But the so limited to obama, administration officials, but other friends of the p. L. F. About in europe and usa are now going to go up to you know, to, to give this false narrative that the current conflict was started by the federal government, britain and the United States. Both said theyre helping the tsunami government, the Haile Mariam Veselin government with aid money to help the poor of these countries, you say less money to not go to the people of the former chairman of the g. P. L. Left who escaped their execution. Their senior military commander, now in one interview martine cloud, i believe on b. B. C. To say that they are used in the g. P. L. , as in the eightys used to finance their spin. That was their mark for the firman and the refugees to enrich themselves. And later, they even claimed that they killed the seed money that made them you know, that enabled them to build an empire economic empire under the name effort in dominance. Really for rehabilitation of a multibillion dollar conglomerate that dominated the Japan Economy during their tenure for 27 years, you have to see that it is all the laws of your state. There are total domination of the top 10 economy in politics for the past 27 years until 2018 then reform ayers, which was launched by the pm rb, who came to the moon 2018, means that they will lose all the privilege and the monopoly and your money. They exercise, throws ethiopian in every domain of national life, from economy politics, security to defense establishment. They had the lions share. So this conflict has to be seen in the context of what the tea p. L. F. Is and mind you. They also from the very beginning, they can root you as a Minority Group that represents only 6 percent of the population. If they can rule ethiopia, under their domination, hedge many as fine. If they cannot, they will discover the g. O. P. And a greater tech, right . Separate other prospects of a grey and separatist state being created some kind of shades of south sudan when obama was in power. Right now it doesnt seem that their gender to create a separate decries state would much area less because they dont touch the majority of support among the ground. People very much doubt and they are militarily losing ground about in the journal was done from this point. They are encircled from many directions. It doesnt mean that the operation that the federal government is conducting to, to enforce the rule of law in ethiopia and bring this criminal struggle leaders of the, to p. L. F. To test justice will be over within a day or 2. Now, thats not likely, but i think the odds are against them, except some of their International Supporters on the ground are losing any ground war. Either the concern of the federal government and most just as is that with many unarmed civilian casualties as much as possible, we have to avoid civilian casualties and that exam people must not suffer. So end of this, you know, operation as soon as possible. But you know, war is unpredictable. These people have been fighting for 40 years and they have, you know, 2 years. They are prepared for 2 years and raising 250000 special forces and militia, what country in the world that original government would raise this number of force quarter of a 1000000 fighters. So that poses a challenge going forward, but i think they are overwhelmed right now, and theyre losing ground in many fronts of in to marriage. I want to get on to the World Health Organization in a 2nd because obviously some accusations about the head of the w. H. O. Been very, very briefly infamous the sanctions by the European Union and the United States against eritrea. Do you think that what the to gray in the Peoples Liberation front may do, may exacerbate any tension between asmara in eritrea and hadassah . Or is that peace locked in . Does a variable question, jess today saying, oh, the strike us mar with 3 or 4 rockets, missiles. But fortunately its landed in areas that was not you know, better by civilians and they didnt hit that target. They intend to do it and intention, the objective is to drive after air into this conflict. Saw