The troops by next may. But then by then you may be into a biden administration, and the troop levels could go back up again. Really depends upon commitments by the taliban and what have you and youve got to consider that a biden ministration given the blood in the service may be jumping on board. His Administration May pursue efforts to keep troops there, and even Establishment Republicans are calling for troops to remain in afghanistan and probably even in iraq. You watching Us International that brings you up to date for this hour, but back again in 30 minutes. Hello and welcome to cross top, where all things are considered on people about the results of the u. S. Election cycle. Have surprised many. There was no blue wave and the g. O. P. Witnessed gains all across the board. Both parties have deep internal divisions and the court is in both parties. Populists challenges is this the perfect recipe for a political realignment to discuss this and more, im joined by my guest, kevin chatters in washington, and he is an attorney and democratic strategist, and minneapolis. We have and tom lazaro, he is founder of big 10 republicans. And in austin we cross to west benedict is a former executive director of the Libertarian Party. Originally, rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i was appreciate it. He was going to kevin kevin, in light of the election results, which you say that the, the, me, the postulate politics is, destiny is in the dustbin of history. Go ahead. Well see what happens over. So i dont have an official where of course, if you believe the president , but i dont like to remind us even though we know who you are, where we are. A lot of work to do out of this use of our service is out of 5. They are, were present shoppers got the folks out. But unfortunately for him and his supporters, he created almost a Stronger Movement of people who strongly hate the resistance so to speak. And they came out. Theres probably a lot of work to do. So make sure you put it for free, but were not there yet. And ton, i think that it would be very welcomed by tens of millions of people if the political left and particularly the Democratic Party can stop voter shamy conservatives. And republicans, i think it meets that point. I think you know, you can look at the results of the election, but you know, calling them deplorable zone races. Zina fields, i think that that is in the dustbin of history too. What do you think and absolutely not, its incredible is all part of it is for the pollsters in the mainstream. Im not going to comment that this election was far closer than they ever predicted. I mean, dont try to see more votes than any incumbent president ever. And you know, this was an extremely tight apparent joe Biden Victory for 4. About the same mark, i dont trump one by the 3 states. He won wisconsin and pennsylvania in 2016. So the idea that you know how 5 americans are, you know, hes racist horrible people is just fundamentally absurd. And thats just the message from the left. Costly that anyone who supports it all, trump is a terrible, deplorable individual. Him in less it when i look at the results here it, it seems to me that there is a realignment going on pretty well, particularly in the g. O. P. , where you have kind of a mixture of social conservatism and economic populism. I think thats a fair assessment. Go ahead with us. Well, so some of thats happening, but what i see is youve got the standard republicans and democrats hating each other, making it sound like one side is going to totally destroy america. Where as the other is going to save america. But mostly that is all style. When you look at the substance of the issues, when you look at trade policy, tax and spend policy wars in the middle east, the deficit spending and firing mentalism, Social Security, medicare, on most issues. The republicans and democrats have actually been quite moderate. I wish republicans or democrats would be more extreme on some of those issues. And of course im against many of the extreme things if they propose. But no, i dont think republicans have gone through a realignment. Theyve always been, you know, im a libertarian. I want free markets. I want low taxes. I want to cut Social Security and medicare. Republicans never do that stuff in, and democrats, as well. You know, i want to in the wars Civil Liberties in the war on drugs and democrats never seem to get that done either. Ok, well you know, when i think its really kind of interesting have been is that when you look at like medicare for all in issues like that the, theres many, if you look at the polls among republicans, a lot of people are for, i mean, i find it really, really quite remarkable that even if you look at it instead of just, you know, blue or red, you know, if you just look at people, theres actually a lot of consensus about what people want. But you know, in your party, you know, when you have, you hire all the candidates in the primaries for medicare for all. And then you give it the nomination to the guy and doesnt want it. Ok. And then also, you know, and so on. We had trump, he talked about this in 2016, but once he got into power, well, we cant do that. Ok. I mean, i find it just really remarkable. Its india, its the Party Structures that are the problem. Its not the people, the people are not. The chloral, theyre not deplorable on either side because both sides really want a lot of the same things. Go ahead. Yeah. Youre also shady. Oh so you know, over have people when asked out to support it. We saw you before. All care are yes. People for obamacare overwhelmingly say you support the Affordable Care act. They say they do messaging, and i agree, like i heard recently, were talking about the Georgia Senate race coming your way. The slogan here, you know, like the police and green you dont medicare for all. Sometimes its no laughing erms turn left again. I didnt come from the left. Sometimes turn the wall or something. And you know, you have, you know, reasonably, i mean happens on both sides of the slogans and of course people away. They are awesome for me. Most people agree that yes or should be secure, should just write back and forth peacefully. We talk about, you know, building a wall has to be a war on earth when you know that turn, so do it. And it just shows how, how by really are by president , by and large, you know, in time when i find really very, very disappointing. I consider myself a conservative dont i . , i dont always think very much of the g. O. P. , but i think it was a real mistake. The left just to make it about donald trump because all 3 of you talk about policy, but they didnt seem to be in the campaign all that much beyond sloganeering. Ok, and, and i think theres going to be a huge hangover, particularly on the left. You know that like what do we do now . Remember the candidates still in the 1970s, what do we do now . Because, you know, it was all focused on one man and that one man did amazingly well. He probably didnt win. He probably wont be inaugurated. Or you cant ignore that mass movement. Now im for a realignment, its in the cards because trump ran as a populist and he governed as jeb bush. Thats my disappointment. Go ahead and yeah, you know, i think that just to go back to the previous question, i think that the Republican Party absolutely does need to, you dont do one thing going from going so well on as he was not this, you know, warhop, republican president , people were so sick and while i think medicare for all isnt popular, people do recognize in america that we need to have coverage for things like preexisting conditions. And you know, to talk about that a lot. So i, for one, i just want to go on the record and say, i do think the Republican Party, we do need to change when it comes to things like those issues that are more populist then kind of the traditional conservative view that just isnt that popular when you look at the margins of the president last with millennial as well as women suburban women by but you know, going forward, i think look at all comes down to georgia and what happens in the senate races there. If we republicans can hold on to the u. S. Senate, its going to be a lot different conversation that were having in january than if democrats do get the senate as well as joe biden. You know, is confirmed as president. You know, wes, is a libertarian. I, i have to probably think that youre, youre probably just as sick and tired of this woke politics, rhetoric that just sucks all the air out of the room. When it comes to issues that affect all people, when youre sick, it doesnt remotely, doesnt matter if youre a republican or democrat or a libertarian. Go ahead with us. Well, if youre talking about health care in particular and this applies to other issues when, when Ronald Reagan was running for president , he used to say government is the problem, not the solution. And he would spend quite a bit of time explaining how free markets and freedom orc donald trump is not really a reflexive, only a libertarian leaning or for small government or for free markets. And so for the last 4 years, he hasnt spent any time educating and training the people and especially republicans themselves on, you know, what does it mean . How does freedom work with, with free markets, with less regulation, with lower taxes. How would it be easier for people to pay for their own health care and less . You know, if i could interrupt you use me here. The day that donald trump was most unpopular as president is the day he signed his tax bill because most people didnt see that it affected them whatsoever. And its because hes surrounded by libertarian people thinking people in his administration. And i think that was when one of his greatest mistakes, thats my opinion. How do you react to the well, if you lower taxes, but you dont lower spending, then it doesnt accomplish much. Should just shift the burden away from the people who get the tax cut and as to everyone else who suffers from inflation. Donald trump, you raise spending from 4000000000 to 7, looks in one direction. It keeps going up where its amazing, republican or democrat, its kill, continues to do that. And i think thats, you know, i think when we see what we have here, kevin is a middle class revolt. I mean you have the choice, you can go blue or you can go red, but both all are angry about this. Ok, i personally, i think government should do things for people. Ok. I dont think it should waste money, but it should be for the public good. All right. And so, i mean, this is the choice we have right now to fund the police and, you know, lets just rhetoric, it doesnt mean anything when i probably hurts people. The poorest people of our society, i mean, it really gets onto an attitude about what kind of how government should be used because its going to be used because theres, there is no doubt that that is they can 80209010 issue, go ahead. Why . People overwhelmingly disagree. Even in inner city neighborhoods. Oh black voters and working with you for me hear from police, they dont, they dont support or they do support of moving some resources to go just for traditional policing. And maybe you know, social workers michel, ill arrange a version program, things like that, which i think a lot of people do. So when its explained to them as you or our president trying to explain it to dont exactly say so it happened though both sides and i, i do believe that its interesting because you talk about go up, didnt really hurt down ballot. Very Susan Collins be on member of we were really actually on the whole downtown here, were going to go to a hard break in after the car break in continue our discussion on the results of the 2020 elections. They are over forward to talking to you on that technology should work for people i robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law. Show your identification or should be very careful about artificial intelligence. And the point of view, c. Is too great trust very challenging with artificial intelligence, will somebody to the obamas protect its own existence as well about to cross talk where all things are considered. Im Peter Lavelle to remind you were talking about the results of the 2020 election. I mean, lets go back to and on your, i mean, i kind of have a diagram or a before the program here of what the Democratic Party is right now. Its corporate america, the super rich and the professional women managerial class. Now, if this isnt an opening to create a big tent for the Republican Party, i dont know what is, are you going to take that opening . The lane is wide, wide open . Are you going to grasp it is i think it could work. Yeah, i know. Absolutely. I mean, if you go back to the eightys and ninetys, when you know conservative talk radio was really thriving and you know, Rush Limbaugh was, you know, believe his audience and the extreme fringes of the country. But they were viewed by the middle worse always the right. It was always, you know, the right wing that was viewed in a lot of people became moderate democrats because they were so turned off by that, you know, socalled radical right. Now when you look at a o. C. , an ill han and a far left, there is this enormous opportunity for this populist movement for donald trump and republicans to say, you know, look, worried the mainstream or the moderate. Were the center right party. And we can build on that, and i sure hope that you know, we have enough people our party that can realize that. But, you know, unfortunately im going to be all this because im a, i call balls and strikes. And i think there are a lot of people, the Republican Party who dont recognize how so its very obvious to me that youre right. Someone like Susan Collins manages to win in blue states and then you have other, you know, people like a roy moore who are, you know, terrible candidates. They cant even win a red state. And thats what, you know, the fringes on both sides never realized that these far left far right candidates are never going to actually, you know, be popular beyond their little base of people. You know, when he, one of the issues that its always talked about is hardly ever dealt with. I mean that the amount of money spent on this election cycle is just absolutely phenomenal. It is just it blows your interest in South Carolina, South Carolina alone and Lindsey Grahams opponent. He was, its the most Expensive Senate seat ever campaigned for here. I mean, were, if we took the money out of the equation here, how would it change our politics . Because its, you know, we have a republican and we have a democrat on the program and we have you and everyone knows my beliefs here. But if you took the donor class out of this, we would have a very different politics wittingly. Im not so sure thats the case i. Theres been many examples over the years of candidates spending millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in primaries and even in general elections. And that money only seems to affect the outcome by a couple of percent. I of course, i wish the government was less important, so people were less interested in spending so much money to win an election were regardless of which side theyre on. But i dont think, you know, you, you can spend money and get a certain policy pass. It allows you now to do a lot of Construction Projects and you personally profit from that. But a lot of what goes on, i dont think has a lot of impact on the election results. So look, so the money, the total money doesnt really scare me. It up when you look upstream. I mean, this is all an investment. Ok. I mean, there are so many things like ending foreign wars. I mean that is a genuinely popular thing. Thing weve had 300 lection cycle. We have 3 election cycles in a row, you know, saying and the wars. But if joe biden is elected president is inaugurated as president jenny way, i dont think thats going to change or why . Because of the donor class. I mean, i agree with you. I should have phrased my question, better about camp, you know, getting elected, you know, but essentially, you know, they have a end to both parties. That is it such a cool, a corrosive thing because you can have an 80209010 issue. But once it gets to the very top, its the donor class that makes that decision to make though that to campaign year. Because thats an issue that both parties and the Libertarian Party probably thinks about. Go ahead. Evan. Absolutely, and ross are on it were maybe years rates over 100000000, you know, it pretty handily. And you know, either early to consultants, one consultants, consultants going to be millionaires were minted in that region. Oh yeah, exactly. You know, you know, the c. E. O. Where somebody trying to restart their mind can try to raise a lot of money to mainly from outsiders and not get close to me. Which folks oversee it in a lot of states. Mentioned order a couple times. Its only going to get worse, you know, next couple months. Sure. Sure. Outsiders coming in, but i think the takeaway is that it doesnt tell me now from lindsey graham. I want a certain kind of, they know their states better than these outsiders or even money is i think it turns off you know, what youre referring to, were you know, the sarge talking about. They know it was better to find some who were and you just cant buy these races. We learn from that, you know, its all going to be here on the outside money thats for sure. And on the sometimes republicans win. Sometimes, democrats win sometimes and independent wins, but the consultants always agree and i find it really, really awful. Ok and, and, and its the same thing. The only skin these people have in the game is their pocketbook. And i think thats really, that really corrodes politics. And so on, youre the republican on the party and im not going to let you off the hook here. Im looking at the results here and im looking across the board except for an end of an educated white man. And i thinking, putting educated women the Republican Party didnt pheno