Mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were days. Confession was not so good or not true. And souls. They didnt really want kareem because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case. Evidence for other crimes, you know, evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats from the right. It was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse that had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. They d. N. A. Tested some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims phone. And you know, the, i think out of 41 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so, you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch you know by then you have no particular oh ok. Do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know, i dont have a stream for you for the bible or writing who try to do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . As june was name was it is some of my impression looking back at it. Thank you all here. Shes guilty while shes building a eagle, make sure you know who sometimes it was a bloody crime. So now we know i was last year t. V. D. N. A. So piece of also body held to be not how it was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance, some cases we get and we look at them and we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here. But not a lot of people get exonerated real soon. You know, then this work out i just want to talk to you because i know how being were trying to get her out. Can we come by . What dr. Just talked to me. Thank you so much. We need to ask the most important thing to so how she was to what her actions, what the police were done with andrea. You know, in my mind, me every day and they didnt do anything like were you going to get out and let me out when you want to get out. And so you actually did get out there. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok. So thats good. Thats how paul lets talk about lorenzo montoya. At least 3 years on welfare oh to the time. But what was right now is why he will to elongate in immediately. You know, there were there were dan burton being interviewed here a lot and so on. Law and order to render. Montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old friends when this happened and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds. The ratio one year older here go over between me and lorenzo is a mountain they tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzo. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert, and your shoe matches the print at the crime scene. Was untrue youre going to be sent away in there as you call the day, you are not rest until then its going to have a window where you are there. So you, are there goals for the jail until you are there, even if you have no idea where you bury your friends . A lot of everything. If you were there, thats interesting. You can say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said, we have to be tested basically, right . First of all, huge problem with hot political issue, real in the United States police a problem to lie about and tell you right out that is a shocking discovery to most people, most western countries, the u. S. Supreme court permits. And so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They some very specific about what that evidence is telling us that you are involved in something theyve already started that same thing process and the mother already is believing it. During the vietnam war, u. S. 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So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role. Its part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know water. If i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was a red zone. I dont do that. I havent done it. I did want to jack the car and it went bad. Did the communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person the suspect. Think the police dont think this is such a big deal. And therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. Who are going to go . You know, how do you respond . Theyre going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already. He knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you here . Were asleep. So the rest of you see things in the computer here. 1st nature g. R. Who kicks you in the head. Of course, the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the dreaded shoes brazill position. But your job is just right, hes now being set up. So that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that statement should convey. You know, kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got a call, so later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there, right . Stare me down. Oh, you need to back up. I just stand here, watch your prior 5 minutes. You wake up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they did not put in a Juvenile Hall for her, which would be boys, you know, talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister. It your goal and your life. Is you ready to what kim and in this person do the situation anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was in prison for 14 years. So he got out at 28, he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14. 00 to 18. 00. Lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a civil rights too pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for the police. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Saltpeter. Welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So how are we going to get this fixed . I believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of these fools confessions, i dont know how youre going to get away with it. I may, but a criminal Justice System as a straw. Looking at prosecutors, we review which false, confessions, faster with making laws that make prosecutor culpable. I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. And of course, police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, you know, corey and melts and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene. You know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. And her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out . And i think a track. A very bad i know have you dont play some together, its ok. I understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time, but we dont want to mess it up. Rene. We only only going to get one shot of this. Right. So just hang in there and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end. Developed thousands and ms. Of the disease newsmen. They are mares and do to them because those who knew the system is missing, the biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. So you do believe you do that got him close to us he can anyway blame himself for i think so. Controlling and can 1st think they all knew that, but my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to come out to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted of a freshman as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent. Sure. I get the confession is so powerful that even there for its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But if he has lost his whole family, theres no relationship with that really. And thats something that the then my opinion, the city in the prosecutors took away from him, right . That money cant replace combatants in society. You dont. You dont know how to do it in sherry. I dont know what endures. So it is sort of your brain will be the morning. Star over here. Stalky johnno lingo, whatever the journey may be. If im going to stand in the house, going from wonder being free. It really is a problem that you know is systemic. Its a problem that victimizes. A lot of people, you have the, the person who falls in compresses whos life is ruined. You have their family whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. Theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not question. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really a, its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System, but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name, the innocent person confessed to a crime, he or she didnt commit. Its a 2nd story. And 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals all mr. Here is now able research, actual cases of laboratory studies, field studies. And in 100 plus years of basic psychology tells us when you lie to people about everything to know, why do people about reality . 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