I want to start today sure for the flexion on the passing of so Sean Connelly screen legend the worlds most famous scot the definitive bond demon golfer sean connery was all of these things and much much more to me he was a loyal steadfast friend over more than 30 years but i took this show on some 23 years ago the pun passed in a really wanted to interview with sean connery and he readily agreed but suckin stances in health prevented that happening and the reason was that of all the interviews that shown that over the years all the things that were written about him only read one from the the scottish offer Willie Michael vanny which got cost of capturing the essence of sean connery because this was not just a a great personality a great movie star this was a great human being a deeply deeply humanness funny ironic human being with great views on on life and Everything Else and never frightened to express them. In my life ive been privileged to meet a few great people but only a few and one of these was was Sean Connelly now in times to come will get the opportunity to do a proper tribute to the show on but in the meantime for Lady Michelle and then the family of condolences for the rest of us rode the world alight as dead and and no universe but it will shine on and our memories and hopes for the future. By short this week in a screeching u. Turn and in an apparently chaotic manner the johnson government and a new Muslim National laaksonen england starting to but this is a local town with a difference schools universities and key workplaces remain open hospitality house parties and holidays are forbidden. Elsewhere across these islands things are different wills is already a week into a much stricter to be close time while Northern Ireland is half way through month long restrictionists scotland this week saw the introduction of a 5 regionally based system today we asked to Public Health experts whether these measures contain the virus across the u. K. While the world awaits a vaccine professor harvey burns a former chief medical officer of scotland is a new president of the British Medical Association he is in a unique position to assess and assesses whether the virus can be brought back under control through these tight or Public Health restrictions dr participant coming out of extra medical school has over 20 Years Experience in Communicable Disease control and infectious Disease Controlling this he worked as a consultant in Communicable Disease control for local authorities arent Public Health and the agency which is know being bullied inspired you kick up ministers for the failure of taste in trees alex will be in conversation with our 2 guests later but 1st your messages and emails on last weeks show last week show on black history martins excited great interest and many responses we hear 1st from in patterson who says all History Matters but i wouldnt pull down any statues i didnt like in marshall says the problem isnt history the problem is to the history is written by or presented on t. V. And all the sudden its official it even says we never got thoughts when i was that skill donald says that is another amazing black lady me to see a cool jamaican scot that massively helped medicine to better hygiene getting the crimean war and every bit the equal to Florence NightingaleRichard Lindsey says excellent show joined by and always the voice of reason when talking about racism really put a lot of people in their place when liam neeson spoke of his experience i had my bind see a lot physical both on and off the field and finally nelson says Jock Thompson and then that will forever mind us that we are all of us and whatever origins of equal value common in the culture of scottish people. Now over to alex professor heidi bynes and up to piping khania salad bar insert we now have a renewed lot of dough of sorts coming in england with a soft in particular in wales and scotland has a a 5 t. Approach weiser so difficult to get there the key message isnt Public Health across and get less pandemic under control im a bit see something that i would often say but ive got less sympathy for the politicians. And the damage thats done by locked own is significant and that governments are going to are having to find a real balancing act no i think we own scotland Northern Ireland and so and have all of our conflate the different approaches i think scotland began up harsh on lockdown if you like it has that have the highest rates of transmission some time ago and were no beginning to see now working and i think anyone has waited a bit and i think that had to stricter outcome so its about trying to do the best you can and the circumstances youve caught but i just think that england of probably we had a bit too long to be honest whats happening in the north of england is really a significant moment i dont have one can you have said that intends a real epidemic control you have to minister that and the level that local level if what you mean by that thing with a particular. Well what we need is local experts and we do have them so look all of the storage is have all the consultants in Public Health there and then we also have the local Public Health england equivalent in the other nations experts in Communicable Disease control these are the keep players they are the linchpin the commanders in chief and they should be leading their outbreaks locally because they have the network and the network is with the hospitals and the market casting the Environmental Health officers and they know if there is a rising tide if there is quiet if there is calm or if there are concerns and they can respond very dynamically on a day to day hour by hour basis and therefore they should be meeting every day and you know you have it as a command and control center for under locally rather than from far away reach a london or elsewhere. Minus a being so much difficulty and getting tested and trace operating across these islands i mean weve had this week that slovakia has tested hof the complete in 2 days this is november of the vita started spreading alyea media why isnt that sort of thing possible in the u. K. Youre absolutely right its very frustrating you know if you equate received by to because i started talking about this way back in march and were told that availability of the chain is limited were told to the crusades that saddam oved in testing and then and then i see most often in reporting and so on is difficult actually not convinced that the management of the whole process has been effective and a lot of that management has been short stier green absolutely the local public house is the way to go here right from the beginning and my own university we were offering opportunities for crap. Zoran but we were told no no the government wanted to do. Particular way and i just dont think its been reached i really dont see how i spoke just last week about proving tasting and up here and i was told that the kind of trash that i was suggesting whered be a little sore and theres no reason why he shouldnt because other countries as you say are doing it so its very interesting and its the way out of this test to magic people find out who was always symptomatic is carrying and potentially spreading the virus and isolate them thats the way to control this and get it from no dairy quickly part of. The testing local level i mean whats wrong with the these big white house Tasting Samples that the the governor of a stylist a member of violently capable of of doing the the job on a. Scale thats necessary to meet this crisis well its also scattergun approach that scattergun approach is weve said all floodgates open go and get a test well thats not the way to run a outbreak control give you an example of when we dealt with the swine flu pandemic we met with a lot of our tree staff every day and we couldnt work out where the pinch points were and how we would run the operations whereas when youve got a far away it like house lab it is doing it at scale but it is not responsive locally it can never be responsive locally and and then we introduced what you would call it failures of communication the energy of the labs and the touch of a button would have alerted the patient the g. P. The hospital and any other place it needed to inform about the test result of here weve had to set up and create new networks with new permissions to enable all this communications to happen so a number of things have gone wrong if only we had stayed with what we know what we know works best. So how to balance scotland and england for that matter we have originated Public Health control so often factions diseases so why if i can it be that having that source of knowledge over the years we found this particular virus so difficult to get a get a hold off i think in part its due to the fact that this virus is very very and infectious and spreading many whitely mean point and when we manage to suppress the number of cases. In march im sure many pro and then we got sporadic outbreaks of local Public Health departments where anybody effective. And then we lifted to restrict choose where to not hospitality and so on and it began to spread like wildfire and local Public Health departments became quite overwhelmed a lot of the guys i speak to are literally being run ragged by whats happening so we need more extensive controls but critically we need people to and she used to those groups it is still for st tng to hear people say oh we didnt care you know this is terrible these rules were just going to go oh were going to have parties were going to have christmas together and so on. If you meet with people and you do it you do it distance and you dont wear masks and storm you increase significantly in the spread of the virus and its it is basically counts but me attention classes are remotely and online at the present moment. Students presumably are in the while this is a tragic and serious of condition but presumably your students must of views as this as a as a tremendous example of of a living real life example of what it really means to be an. In a pandemic situation are you talking to both of the the cases you should go on at the present moment yes i am so i take liberty with deviating from my brief of what subject i was covering to say i will cover that subject but lets cover this right now whats the iron is hot and weve started doing even tutorials late at night its kind of clock we meet we discuss and we move forward and its really good for the students who are joining us so theyre learning in real time and they will grow up to be experts they are also be willed it and concerned and not sure about why weve had so many im bill and messages so when i tell them that in an outbreak you need a commander in chief and the commander in chief does the following and this is how you do it you get all the people around the table would discuss the strategy and then we do it and then my students say how come england or United Kingdom isnt doing it in that manner and i say well when politics and health interfere it becomes difficult so one of us would think that theyre in the cases of a lot of talk about the students going back home for christmas those students have gone on to campus would that be an example of where we should have a test of all of these people to make sure youre not releasing back into the homes of our own the country do the right in the world if people who are asymptomatic but infected yeah i think and have a significant risk he said to make a case to i think it is a shameful to stop strange and continuing that wintered story i mean it is not that difficult when it is things that we proposed to any enemy or a sting we slaughter from hoax or precedents it was there is evidence that the want of the wood from any. Building in storage if its anywhere in that building is in fear. It was crowded piracy could pick up the waste water so why dont you know theres 400 students into the hall of president s to change the wastewater if you get close and you keys you know you have to go in and taste more students in the place and that oh that was too difficult join us after the break we will look at how the experience thus far can translate into perhaps better practice over the coming months to get this virus under control and will cast an eye into lustily as to which countries have been more successful in tackling coronavirus tell us and. Welcome back out of continued his interview with dr biden kanya and professor heidi burns and asked the question will this really all be over by christmas caught up on talia from extra university which has seen the public to really understanding the Public Health messages i mean theres been a lot of delivery of them but other public really taking them to heart thus far no and it is very disappointing weve had so many mixed messages and i feel now the public also have got messages fatigue and they are consciously or subconsciously switching off we need to have our act together and get simple clear understandable messages not too many layers not too many tears just get the simple straightforward Public Health messages out there and repeat them reinforce that. Holly bombs is generally said and i think accepted that communication at least of policy has been better in scotland the elsewhere certainly and then with perhaps a lot of communication be improved follow up to try and drive these messages whole i think so and i think part of the problem in england has been its change tracks so often you know were not going to have looked oh no no we better have a lot of this kind of saying so people become a bit confused and frustrated is Scottish Parliament is closer to the people the people of scotland have better access to their competition and thats faith how thoughtful people see the politicians the see the clinical director they see the chief medical officer and so on very regularly explaining things and our National Character narrator jason the tree example you know he appears on sports programs that we can dog food instant store and taking peoples questions this kind of thing still there is more excess ability in scotland its difficult policy but as i stated the beginning ministers are trained in a hard to keep the economy growing as best as possible while suppressing the virus and i have to say that i think im probably right in trying to achieve and the way theyre doing it class kind of on supply of so much being outsourced to private companies in terms of testing those many stories of retired Health Professionals volunteering the savants is there to help with some even getting an answer it while the private company is given your shed loads of money to to do things perhaps not very well i think its outrageous i really do i think that we have an experiment that we have and you know as you say very tired people we have volunteers who were. If you do test and trace insurance and yet its going to these private organizations and i think we need to know how much is being spent on that sustain the poor has been spent on this in england and wales Northern Ireland scotland drought its just fumes light and our lack of overall management to the to this very complex process it could be done more efficiently and more effectively i think is often station and they will adopt a county of that. Privatisation of past and face is happening while many local authorities as weve seen from recent weeks feel themselves dreadfully under resourced and terms of the the local Public Health. Its a disaster and its outrageous and so i agree with what senator kerry burns just said because why why do you want to set up a private Testing Laboratory and a private contractor a Thing Service which will never ever work as efficiently as if you had invested in your local n. H. S. Services and systems in both the local authority in the n. H. S. And in Public Health england if we look at the star growing amount of money spent 12000000000 pounds that is the equivalent of the empire budget of all the g. P. S. And Public Health combined now if we had used that money instead it set up systems Contact Tracing systems in local authorities in local Public Health england areas we would have a asset to the nation and a set that can be used 18 months 24 months from today because when we have sporadic outbreaks we will need local of our tree capacity and local outbreak tracing services we wont have the centralized systems in existence then so weve lost an asset to the nation it is a big mistake to have made a dot dot com if you cast your eye worldwide for a 2nd or 2 which of the countries the you feel have had the best record of vast far in getting a grip of this pandemic south korea without a doubt and if you look at the south korean interventions it was early thats the key point early hard fast and strict so there when 1000 early with their control measures now when team hard meaning no half measures and there were strict about enforcement and them and making sure you wore your mask you took Infection Control seriously and now look they sorted out their health and as a result their economy is also sorted out of sight i mirror what harry burns was saying. Which is you sort out the howth and you will sort out the economy in tandem so to tell me as a hea