Hello welcome Visitor International live from moscow this november 4th and it is november 4th so weve got to talk about the election and how the fate of the u. S. Presidency rests in the hands of hof a dozen states still counting votes right now at the moment results in the balance and could still go all the way our president. Is ahead of donald trump in the race the white house but still doesnt have enough to be handed the keys and socked one of the states were talking about is in michigan and theres just news coming in from the campaign munch of the campaign has filed a lawsuit in that state to hold counting of the ballots until quote meaningful access granted will get a more not a bit later on but for the moment lets go to the bullpen who is in vogue i mean again so much information coming in nothing really concrete yet still both teams trying to go for it team biden says victory is almost that trump wants a recount or as we just heard in michigan a whole taking the count whats happening here. Well at this point there is no clear winner it is contested as were waiting for results from a number of key states these key states will determine the outcome at this point michigan and wisconsin you know the count is almost completed in both of those states but it appears that biden is pretty strongly ahead now we also understand that there are roughly 200000. 00 votes remaining in georgia and that the results in georgia you know could also be pretty soon upon us and available now at this point trump seems to be ahead in georgia but many are looking at where potentially these remaining 200000. 00 votes are from if theyre from an area that is a stronghold of the Democratic Party etc we now have donald trump on social media saying that he smells the possibility of fraud this is what donald trump tweeted out he said last night i was leading off and solidly in many key states in almost every instance democrat run and controlled then one by one they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted very strange and the pollsters got it completely and historically wrong how come every time they count mail in ballot dumps they are devastating in their percentage and power of destruction now that was donald trump has also raised concerns about the potential of the vote in pennsylvania and its results being impacted d and at this point but this point twitter has labeled a number of Donald Trumps tweets in the past few hours as disputed and might be misleading about an election or civic matter and in order to view the president s tweets one has to click on them theres like a disclaimer that shows up on the twitter page of the president you have to click on the disclaimer in order to see the tweets theyre being suppressed not showing up in peoples feeds etc. Now at this point weve got the Biden Campaign raising money for what they call the biggest ally. Action protection effort ever and they are raising money because they feel that donald trump is going to try to prove vent votes for biden from being counted that is their argument now all eyes are on pennsylvania right now because pennsylvania is a state where the delay has been established in the counting of the votes due to the fact that federal courts have ordered the postal facilities where mail in ballots are being sent and processed to be inspected so were not expecting any results from pennsylvania until at least thursday similar delays in the state of nevada but at this point there is a lot of outrage from the trump camp there is there is calls for recounts not just in michigan but also in wisconsin there is concerns from the president expressed about about pennsylvania where he argues he has a strong lead but the you know postal ballots hes arguing that theres some kind of some kind of fraud going on or some potential for foul play and hes concerned about pennsylvania meanwhile many people in the democratic camp are saying that if this is simply what they predicted this is the mail in votes that have been cast coming in they urged people to wait for the results and not allow donald trump to declare victory so there is a lot of contention now about what these results mean we do not have official results from a number of states we have people around the country saying Different Things its a contested vote and many people are watching and waiting as votes are being counted theres calls for a recount theres calls for stopping votes until proper access is secured theres a lot of conflicting reports and a lot of concerns here its pretty clear that that the 2 campaigns do not see eye to eye about these results and donald trump as we heard is raising the specter of taking this to court so when we will actually have the results of when we will know who will be president for the next 4. Yours is not exactly clear many people predicted that the day after the election we wouldnt know and it is the day after the election and we do not know who will be the next president of the United States such a rocky couple of months with those riots and then now this it looks like the uncertainty is not going to be resolved anytime soon that was caleb maupin reporting from new york with the latest many thanks. When i dont know tom nor joe biden seem to be willing to concede on accusations of voter fraud and threats to take them out to to the Supremes Court only placing fog the stress on the already existing divisions in American Society i discuss the current Political Climate without a tease. Well that theyre claiming that they would get with an election this close with an election this close well where youve got to wait until the final hours to see who voted for whom who is actually leading you need to set a precedent d. D. To create fear or need to make noise to make sure that when it comes when it comes to time for a recount perhaps or a challenge to the Supreme Court you can say that over remember i was shouting about this or i was i was screaming about voter fraud there was this was unfair so its all about sitting in creating a precedent this is not this is an Ugly Campaign the situation the streets in america is ugly people are completely divided and its a 2 cabs and this wasnt a blowout the polls indicate after all this was a much cusa election suggesting that theres still a lot of americans while everything that the United States has been through this year that support trouble and theyre all be asleep good to be very unhappy if theres a beauty president in the white house so now trump has created all this noise shouting and screaming about the fraud and you know illegal activities and errors in boot calends if you had him tweeting about 128000 boots magically appearing provide 1st of all its worth saying balance that is likely to work within the era. Immediately sense of the comment but it but its everywhere now and this is this is being from stack you know if you create new ways then in the future youll be able to point out that this was you know trouble point and here we have a situation in which theres all sorts of crises in every state as you know something that either side is on happy with and now theyre claiming that theyre going to go to the Supreme Court we want. To be used in a proper manner so well be going to the u. S. Supreme court we want all voting just. We dont want them to find any ballots at 4 oclock in the morning and thats the list. So youre prepared for any effort republicans make in any court in any of the states to advance the surgery. Last night where there was such a mixed reaction to trumps speech at 2 am that when you came out all smiles but saying this is far from over and its not the blue wave as many were protecting as youre quite right and sad but i mean still a lot of people thought you know what preelection this is just a lot of people saying all that were going to fight about but they didnt maybe expect it to actually get to this point are we surprised that actually got to a point of 2 president ial candidates saying were going to go to court well 2020 and all that of course there was a new put it this is the worst Case Scenario if one of them had more than a blue at the polls indicated you know it would be far it would be in sort to be a new president the other would be forced to concede the clues are these the mall worst Case Scenario it is because theres no room to contest the election i mean there were 50 o. S. C. Observers for the entirety of the United States though there was no you know theres no outside d observers who you could then ask. People who have you new bikes neutral who you could ask is this fair with business for i mean some of these allegations if this election was in ukraine or in russia that be shouting and screaming about how unfair and unfree it was here its completely different the mail in ballots as well the early voting it all skewed the balance of what was expected and what wasnt with with the with the letters being counted obviously they favor biden because he had called it as worthless malin rather than a ted with trumpet it was the opposite and with different states having different regulations you know different vote counting mechanisms and procedures its just all sort of confusing to the point where you can say anything which is what both candidates have been saying you know you like. And you can tell the people he would anything you want you will support theyll support you just because of the color of the of a hat youve got on your head other supporters you to the full stabbings and from the white house to the wideouts to the i mean people taking out their disagreements says icky oh mon another i mean this is this is the president and he just goosed issue how cool rise to the now divided the United States is more so than at any point in living memory and this is something that the dog has reported on significantly that the United States now is as divided as its never been before. It was all high hopes and big promises back in 2016 when donald trump took his place in the white house the nation was already divided by race gender class you name it and the country needed a hero now its time for america get behind a division have to get together. Republicans and democrats and independents across this nation i say it is time for us to come together as one United People turned out trump never came to be that night in shining armor. 20 twentieths president ial election seasons looks more like an all out war on the streets more than anything mishandling of the Pandemic Response and the economic crisis but most significant was the brutal killing of george floyd that sparked outrage across the nation and even calls to defund the police all together. And instead of trying to unite people americas divide. Lines became part of both parties political strategies on the one hand biden then the democrats sold themselves as allies of the socalled peaceful protests whats lets be honest were not so peaceful promised in this instance peacefully protests. Not a bad way to dip your toes into the more radical left and black voter pools but on the other hand you have trump who decided to play the tough guy calling anti racism protesters vandals and anarchists trump sent federal troops to put down uprisings in cities a move that won support from a number of Police Unions and people who didnt want to see their white picket fence neighborhoods ruined now the law and order doctrine also embolden some of trumps more radical supporters so that seeing armed right wing militia is an entity for freely Walking Around the streets of American Cities became a new reality and what have both candidates done to fix all this point the finger it is what it is is a rasie whats going on and he doesnt want to see a lone order because he cant because hell lose his radical left supporters proud of who is stand back and stand by but ill tell you what ill tell you what somebody has got to do something about anti fair and the left because this is not a right as we move them is there is a direct this is a government where its about us is the radical left would you she wasnt on both sides of the political spectrum weve got armed groups white nationalists proud boys right wing militias and tea for the whole bunch so what exactly will happen when the election is over weld everyone just sit down and decide to accept the results. Well the elections in 2002016 demonstrated the number of states accountant wins matters more than the popular vote and both cases the one most support overrule and not settle down to the Electoral College system which the country uses lets take a look at how that works. What i want to jump into the pros in the cons of the Current System with me ive got was benedict from the Libertarian Party and how we all can from the Us Green Party but if you are very welcome good to see you. Before we sort of go into the details i want to toss to how we. Lets talk about the policies currently in play out not the republicans and democrats but parties what political leverage does your party or indeed the libertarians have when it comes to u. S. Politics. Well i think the most leverage we have is in local elections we can do green corys one about a 3rd of the elections weve run and we can build the base they are build that to state level in the house of representatives and then we can add being impact on National Politics it just point running for president was about to get enough votes to have balance in the states now we did have issues unfortunately this election was basically trumped versus not trump its about trust personality not the issues were concerned about like the climate meltdown growing inequality and these endless wars and deployment of nuclear weapons. And was i want to ask you i mean the libertarian candidate joe youve been since hes listed as a county and all 50 states do you envisage a few to why i thought parts of town today that cannot see have a considerable influence on who decides the president. Well with their Election Results so closely divided 48. 00 or 49 percent for each the one percent that libertarians get. Does play a significant role i dont know if libertarians or other 3rd parties or over will ever consistently get a high in a vote to win a National Election but heres how libertarians and greens and others do affect the outcome. There are over a 1000000 people a 1000000 libertarians that voted for the libertarian candidate and during the Selection Process republicans and democrats were always both contacting us saying why are you going to vote libertarian instead of republican or democrat and that gives us the opportunity to point out how were not voting republican because you guys say youre for Smaller Government but you increase spending you in keep creased taxes you increase the debt and we tell democrats you say you are for protecting Civil Liberties and for ending the wars but when your guys are in charge you keep those wars in the middle east going and you keep the patriot act spying on americans so maybe not when elections but impacting policy debates and reaching out to voters is what we do how its want to pick up on something that was to sadly he said you know were talking about a single percent support for thought parts of town to thats right its kind of spent quite even 48. 00 points night for the republicans and democrats so its almost sad to say that that the republicans the democrats at this point represent the will of the majority of americans do you think that as now you disagree with a lot absolutely you look at Public Opinion polls majority of americans want a Green New Deal which is what the green party is for to deal with the Climate Crisis get the economy going again majority of americans want medicare for all in both the democrats and republicans oppose those policies the problem is our electoral system. We have a lot of who are already winners Single Member districts when you take all system which encourages people to vote for the lesser evil the most people are voting against the other major party rather than for their own party so i think if we can change the electoral system replace the Electoral College with a National Popular vote using right Choice Voting for president ial elections i think the greens will move way open in the vote we get was do you agree that there needs to be a reform to the Electoral College system and if that reform would do you agree with how that would it would be a a National Popular vote. Well the reform that libertarians would like to see is more in congress where if we have proportional representation based on the number of votes your party gets that would allow us to win some seats in congress there are other alternatives such as rank Choice Voting or approval voting that libertarians may support but i wouldnt say theyre going to be magic bullets that would change the outcomes dramatically and i think it goes back currently the state in the us is kind of how how it harkens mentioned its people for trump and people who hate trump thats what theyre voting about and theyre there strategically choosing one of the major parties its not that they necessarily agree with the platforms of those parties and i just want to also because i was speaking to a guest of ours yesterday soon describes whats going on as a cartel of the republicans and democrats whats the what the he is when it comes to