Only money she had was the pittance that came from that benefit so she counted up on this the preschool me at the. Yard of the schools they went to and i know that when it came to the holidays she was fearful that she would not have the sort of budget that would allow it to put food on the table in a world of growing boys need so i remember the pentagon remember the fear of members haggard face a member of the anxiety so its as much to do with a sense of impending doom as it is it but what i ate and what i did the. Now of course you know that british Prime Minister barak strength and says money has been given to local councils to help children universal credit the relatively new Social Security system as being increased for a poor of children why why you criticize the way youve been criticizing Boris Johnson and his government over not extending the Free School Meals program as say. Well regard understand how hes got to this point politically let alone morally the fact is that hes right the money has been given to councils who according to the priorities they set will decide where to place the question of school meals for children and these councils are 10 years of suffering from austerity and cutbacks on a massive scale and some of those comes to the needy areas will in fact find it difficult to prioritise school bills and they have other Public Services to prioritise attend to also there are some of the car councils will take the money that Boris Johnson talks about and apply it to provide meals help for children through the holiday period but other councils will have different priorities and wont so the thrust of my argument and concern is that the present method to dealing with what is definitely a problem is likely to lead to a Postcode Lottery provision some people and predictably it will be the people in the poorest areas will always suffer in these cases who will go without the media was it wasnt really that much of an issue in the Us Election Campaign 40000000 couldnt eat and would have food stamps the night of the election people are going to wonder why the 6th richest economy on a one needs a food stamp type program like Free School Meals instead of propositional security payments being made to the adequate level for the families can feed themselves were talking about 131040000 children yes well i mean that is a very nice philosophical question for journalists and people like myself to ask i look at it as marcus rush would look at it from the point of view of the children concerned whether or not its a proper way to do it the fact is in these policies times that were living in there will be children who will go without food and who was for. Emilies will suffer accordingly through the School Holidays this is a 1st aid response remember Boris Johnson so we are going to wait to be are going to the summit duly you turn pro i did it and provided a lot of Political Capital room so i doing it i dont understand where you can see that you could do that again its not going to cost in the grand scheme of things in these difficult times. You might get money to achieve you mention marcus rash for the football superstar england football superstar of course you must have heard in the house of commons the 1st chamber in parliament that one m. P. Called him a virtue signal if talking about every school meals in the 1st place its only because youre on a decent Television Channel that i wont tell you what i call him. Ok well im back to that commons debate maybe was more civilized than the moons tory m. P. Ben bradley who said he was taken out of context and deleted the tweet actually he said at one school in mansfield 75 percent of kids have a social worker 25 percent of parents are illiterate one kid lives in a cracked and another in a brothel extending Free School Meals doesnt reach these kids and effectively gives cash he seemed to be saying although he says he was taken out of context directly to a crackdown on a brothel. Well im not going to try to defend remarks like that made by someone to whom you should put the question but i am going to say that i really repeat the fact that there will be children who tunes who hold it they will be families who suffered terribly because sustenance and nourishment will be denied them its unbelievably true and its its its whether theres a mistake and when theres a theres an error at the margin of error in the way we provide and the money goes d in and directions we can control is neither here nor there as far as im concerned it is a moral duty knowing the problem exists in the uniform and measured response when trying to achieve the feeding of children what can be more clear than that i dont think johnson even raised the issue of means testing context to the Free School Meals debate is this at heart a class war issue you said in the house of lords and all the tony and of course combi expected to have had the same experience. Well i mean look question of class is a very proper one to ask in britain i have to say all im telling you is that when i had no footwear that it would footwear to to wear to school where we lived in one room in a graveyard where my mother was sick those. On benefits i know how difficult it was to break out of what was like a slavery really in the School Holidays in order to put food on the table for me the important thing is to make sure that we do in the in a uniform way across the country rest this need are not the way that markets russia the 22 year old young man has really rallied the country behind him in a way that politicians dont rush for nick was born in one of the poorest areas of britain but why mention whats the relevance of where Boris Johnson went to school where ill come on i mean. It want me to rebirth call that perhaps just perhaps just my class prejudice that would say things about people i know lots of old etonians d and a decent enough people but they do not understand poverty they do not on the boat understand opportunity they have to be fabulous amount of money behind and what in those schools they do not understand opportunity and i said mean that and i wish that we wake up to the fact as a country now of course you know the coronavirus pandemic is presumably what the north has been discussing quite a lot the responses to it theres obviously a lot of money to go around during the pandemic while these Free School Meals are being denied during halftime and perhaps during christmas what have you made. For instance dido hardings track and Trace Commission by the British Government as britain is being having one of the west the 7 death rates on a. Well i mean im not going to comment on that one but im going to recognize behind your question attracted a huge amount of money going to old mines of money being directed towards the various needs and factors that are affecting us across the country theres no doubt about that and its going to be a dreadful job for the jobs it struck of the government d once we weathered this storm triangle Something Back together again i dont deny that for a moment and there are lots of places where when we have time to look at it all because point the finger and address our criticisms but you know neither the itll be too late then the National Audit office mosque at davis investigating right now pandemic contract after the department of health and social care agreed 11000000000 in the 5 months to september i mean do you agree with him about the concern about transparency over all these contracts being given to private Companies Join the pandemic. I think that there are a lot of precious to be asked yes it is too late to wait for afterwards to be reflective and so on so full and but there are 2 jobs to do one is to try as quickly as possible to identify needs you know and address them is best we can secondly we will have to learn from this program late in the day it is because im pretty sure it will be another one of these states coming before too long that the shame for me is that we didnt anticipate. Something like this happening before now ok im on those contracts and fantasy that harding hasnt his the anticorruption champion of our strengthens anticorruption champion but youre not concerned at the moment in the nords itself is not doing any investigative work as to how these contracts are being meted out i understand there being some of them being made with no going to tender or a competition well i read the newspaper reports the same as you have and i do know people on our benches my benches im a labor party person who are who have exactly the same goes and that youre expressing and youre asking probing questions about them and to seeking satisfaction there is a process of inquiry and interrogation happening im not party to those thats not my neck of the woods in terms of the things i found on the concerns you expressed a real i do believe that in these attenuated times when government is working in a 100 manner and therefore we have to work very very hard to keep on top of things but i do believe that the debate is happening but what we come to an agreement about this week next week will have been overtaken by events yet again a must in the story of the last month or 2 now i know David Cameron and to resume came under attack by them from the un special rapporteur on poverty as austerity of the 20 weight crisis hit but it was common talk about a big Society Given there arent as we speak any Free School Meals programs being meted out apart from no clue council jurisdictions. Will charities just have to intervene and in fact will some on the tory benches be saying this is an example of the great. Big society filling in while these Free School Meals arent denied from the government and in fact thats an ideologically better way to organize society well i have to say that since d again the footballer marcus rash would came out and and spearheaded this campaign in the summer 1st of all but again no image has been astonishing the response to this come not just from Civil Society but from the world of commerce i mean the rest are all those im definitely one of the roma. There is a there is an enormous response so i think that thats good but once again it is who is going to create those responses will hit the mark in places only a whole that do better than other places that dont do so well or yes the day that the charitable sector. Sector yes the local authorities there will be some response but it will be kind of a stroke of luck if you default in your neck of the woods or griffiths thank you. After the break with the 2nd goal down in england finish off the multibillion pound sector in britain. And the car in front reynolds explains the cost to mention of the u. K. Governments culture recovery from the oscar universal basic income could be the only solution to saving the Music Industry although some more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. As expected bells are still being counted but what we do know about this election that its closed in the country is. What are some of the lessons to be learned was it enough to bring this election as a referendum. Some control for a middle. 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Welcome back in part one we discussed the worst off in england on the eve of tomorrows mass lockdown one area hit hardest by the pandemic and the effect of lockdown has been the Creative Industries that could lose 4 100000. 00 jobs this year well the government is appealing to urge those in the arts to retrain for other vocations lead singer rock and then josh akari reynolds has written a letter to the u. K. Chancellor richardson act pleading with him to save a live Music Industry the could potentially lose almost 2 thirds of its workforce by christmas going underground Deputy Editor charlie cook caught up with him earlier rau thank you so much for coming on going underground just not by telling us about the latter you wrote to the u. K. Chancellor recent yes thanks for having me yeah bro unless its a richie to my mate richie basically kind of summarizing the state of the Music Industry as i say at the moment and. Really just asking all pleading for them to sort of do more for the the arts for the for culture the Music Industry i suppose especially because thats been the hardest hit. And it will be the last industry to sort of resurface from the rubble as well because it relies so much on live events and gigs on shows. Everythings been cancelled and rescheduled and cancelled again keep using the joke that its like trading as. Were not sure when we can play if gigs are going to be a thing or if theyre not a moment. So yeah it was it was just a letter sort of trying to fill everyone in on what its like from my perspective and maybe even not so much my perspective but from a perspective from the perspective of people in the industry who clearly arent being supported told you know i have some what a privilege somewhat of a pedestal and a found base so i can keep myself going for a little bit but theres people d. Who i know in the industry who are just clueless and quite why read and fearful of for their own futures that went well the culture secretary oliver down has been town to his 1570000000 pound Recovery Funders of the biggest single investment in the arts and he says in the history of the nation 257000000. 00 of that is going to save 1300. 00 theaters museums and venues and what not doing thats too little too late or is that enough i mean like you know we have to acknowledge that thats a significant amount of money and it is getting to some venues theaters organizations orchestras i was going through the list last night and so that bennys small venues like a chain reason south and its image as a great venue that we supply is getting 50000 but then theres these massive discrepancies so youve got 1000000 going to secret cinema in the ministry of sound and then you go like 34000000 going to English Heritage in historic role places like Highclere Castle in hampshire which is where Downton Abbey is filmed so i dont think i think theres a lot of misunderstanding about the serious scope of what this culture of Recovery Fund is actually funding you know its domestic industry itself which is surely one of the most drastically hit industries that there is im not sure how much money will actually find its way to the artists or the actors the performers the dances you know and thats even before we get to the supporting like roles as in like a sound design as a lying design as stage technicians you know the list just goes on and on and on yeah i was going to do it more money should go directly to those to those freelancers and to the whole army of freelancers that work around the Music Industry yeah i mean i i said at the beginning this thing that i thought universal basic income would be the most sort of logical thing now the amount of research and testing that going into that some form of basic income i think would have taken away a lot of the problems. And you know if we all have an income as a citizen i think we wouldnt be in the drastic position that were in with these these vast inequalities in how people are being able to support themselves during this crisis ive seen you know ive already got like. Production manager for instance is looking at his cash flow and working out whether hell have to sell his house early next year if his job hunting continues to file which for a lot of people is because theres not many jobs around and you know as it is and even if they get these sort of retraining opportunities how are they spaces for themselves whilst theyre retraining that theres a lot of lot of questions and its become a very sort of messy way to deal with it so im not im not sure what im going to do im sort of hanging on the moment of writing a book but for lots of people its its a lot more difficult its you know having to look at serious questions. For their vocation you know in a complete level so its its some people are going through serious amounts of anxiety and difficulties in trying to work out what their life now tape takes that weve suddenly decided that music and culture isnt worth saving doing as a class element in fact that high culture thing 3 prioritize your ballets your operas and kind of in the alternative in clubs are not so covered by this fast traunch of money from the cult sector yeah i think to a certain extent thats to be expected because i doubt a lot you know thats why i made a few sort of snide the jokes in the letter i write i doubt a lot of this government has much of a there no idea of just how beneficial the lowbrow or you know how everyone is scribe it sectors are of course that theyre providing. Really community as well as Like Mental Health support. For hundreds of thousands of people up and down th