Context by saying the starting point for the discussion of Global Police state needs to be this severe crisis of global capitalism the pandemic didnt create the crisis it only made it much worse and in talking about Global Police state theres 2 dimensions i want to highlight one is the structural technically we call it over accumulation but its a crisis of chronic stagnation in the Global Economy and the 2nd dimension of that crisis is is political this one of state legitimacy and capitalist henschel money so i need 3 things by Global Police state and the 1st is we see the deepening and the extension worldwide of transnational systems of social control of repression militaries asian and warfare all around the world and we see that in order to contain the real and the potential rebellion of what i call in the book surplus humanity and the mess of the downwardly mobile and destabilized and concrete in the impoverished global working class and you know very quickly. The International Labor organization has already reported that one 3rd of humanity that 2000000000 people in the world are at this point a what i call surplus humanity structurally marginalized unemployed that have to scratch out a living in an informal economy which is deteriorating and collapsing and then another 1300000000 workers in the world work in extremely precarious condition so we have one half of humanity is in this and misery he agreed and they probably think youre immediately talking about cost if you in this program suggested that class warfare may exist it made the model current Times Newspaper but you quote warren buffet claiming its been going on for decades class war and his class won tell me about this in this. Connection between class and the Global Police state than more clearly. Well lets look at it global inequalities have reached unprecedented levels i mean we can barely wrap our minds around these inequalities one percent of humanity controls over 50 percent of the worlds wealth that we know because thats been broadly publicized but more significantly 20 percent of humanity in that amount is is is shrinking as capitalism world capitalism continues to restructure controls 95 percent of the worlds wealth so 80 percent of humanity controls only thought of percent of the worlds wealth and under those conditions under this conditions of extreme inequality those that rule the world including Warren Buffett needs to develop systems of extreme control and repression but you know i want to add one of the thing when we talk about warren buffet and what i refer to in the book as the transnational capitalist class and the 2nd dimension of Global Police state as independent of the systems need to repress and to wage wars and so forth to hold the mass of humanity down Global Police state is a mens profitable at a time when the Global Economy has been in chronic stagnation and so we see that the whole Global Economy and society is increasingly dependent on militarization on course and. Recession social control just to keep the Global Economy moving forward use the phrase military keynesianism i should say you also mention the fact that citibank said invest in luxury goods because theres no point investing in things that arent luxury for for that elite military keynesianism do you see that as the core project now of near liberal governments. Thats thats one of the arguments of the book and i go beyond military can as it is and we thought that since the post what you carry the 1960 s. And 1970 s. I call it militarized accumulation and accumulation by repression and here the data on how the Global Economy is more and more just dependent on this accumulation by repression and by militarization is is mind boggling that the middle east and north that you mentioned briefly at the beginning of the program already involves 15 trillion trillion dollars the military budgets of governments around the world increased a 100 percent from 2000 wanted to present 100 percent and that does that only includes official military forces budgets we also have the vast increase of state secret budgets of police and intelligence budgets home and Security Budgets when you add all of this up and it put this in the book youre talking about 4 or 5 or maybe a little more percentage of the entire worlds economy and this doesnt include this incredible expansion of investments in the Global Police state by private forces we have now 20000000 people that work for private mercenary firms technically theyre called private military firms we have 15000000 people that work as private police all around the world which and that number is more than Public Police forces in one half of the countries in the world we have the one only profitable socalled war on terror and war on drugs which are a farce because theyre not against drugs and theyre not really against terrorism so i can go on and on of course because of the massive i mean the war in iraq the war on drugs of course being added by the democratic contender for the presidency us me gave me from los angeles do you think there is a growing consciousness of the issues in the book because you talked about battle spaces changing from i suppose iraq to our towns and cities in your in l. A. You saw presumably the black lives matter protests after the killing of george floyd in your city so and participated here in los angeles there were tens of thousands every single day up to hundreds thousands in some mass marches and low. Actually you youth driven but the Global Police state was has been on full display here in the United States in the uprising that took place in the aftermath of the murder of george floyd but the larger story here of course is the megacities of the world not just the war zone such as in the middle east the mega cities of the world are now the theaters for this Global Police state and its where these are these are any qualities are so incredibly excused and so all of the pineapple e of whats when referring to his local police state is unbleached in these in these mega cities and i keep on wanting to emphasize here that part of that is to hold down a mass of humanity from questioning this system and rebelling in the face of a president i dont while im on the artist is on the culture and of course in fairness to mr arkell Mainstream Media they did cover the b. L. M. Protests quite a lot he told me about how you how you describe liberal cultural elites facilitating this Global Police state you actually use the phrase neofascist culture. Yes absolutely and so the other 3rd dimension i had mentioned the 1st to mention of a police state is this repressive and the 2nd is simply that its enormously profitable to invest in wars and repression and and so what the 3rd dimension is this threat of what i refer to as 21st century fascism but the confusion here is thats just like the extreme far right wing these far right wing now fascist parties in europe or or modi in india or chunkier in the United States on the contrary these repressive systems and the investment in them has had to go is democratic and republican here in the United States is completely bipartisan the liberal elites has been deeply invested in Global Police do you mean do you mean hollywood a you mean novels you mean fancy you mean. Television well that is the level of the mass media the Entertainment Industry and yes they put forward images and i galaxian or. Whatever for its you as a Global Police states but you know and the us that means the book is loaded with so much data you can just scratch the surface here but but lets remember something here that u. S. Military intelligence agencies financed and advised and its this is in the book and here is the data 800 major hollywood movies in recent years and 1000 t. V. Shows and all you know all of this projects all kinds of images that are related to be thing of this Global Police state at the ideological and cultural level where this political and economic implications of course. You do try and end the book on something quite hopeful but what amount of through patrice spirit can be summoned up if more and more of us are out of work let alone because of coronavirus labor unions even if they did strengthen in numbers dont have that power i mean what is supposed to overthrow the Global Police state as that coercion prevents people being able to meet well theres 2 things a global revolt as already been underway and the fall of 2001000 was what we could so who. You know a worldwide spring of revolt every everywhere and in the world the pandemic pushed people off the street temporarily but people are now back on the street the nigerian there what we were up to you know we dont even know how many nigerians were mowed down in a hail of bullets by the police and europe but theyre rising up 1st against Police Brutality and more generally guess the social economic policies that generate Global Police state so we do have a. Global reach rebellion underway and that is very hopeful but we also have some of the global elites are recognizing that we need a message we just wealth and power downward in order to save capitalism from a self not even to overthrow capitalism so thats really what we need as a as a 1st step is a massive decreasing of those unprecedented inequalities and we need a rebuilding of social programs around the world we need a new type of really you know a global new deal and a radical reform of global capitalism i prefer would prefer it be overthrown but put that aside and and the good news is that messes of people are are now taking to the streets and organizing worldwide for that global reform project and they are meeting up with certain sectors of the global elite which see that this reform is urgent that the system is not going to either collapse or be overthrown you know or to generate into mass an archeologist time and agree for me the other existential question of course the environment you say in the book the Green New Deal is going to vacuous saving of capitalism. And in the inference is of course a police state as well why do you see Something Like the Green New Deal as just another liberal constructors is not really getting to the heart of things at all. Right now theres 2 things not agree no deal i supported green a deal and thats a big step forward its rather this notion of green capitalism that the giants corporations that basically run the planets out do more for it is more about Public Relations than actually contributing to a whole transformation arce of our social and Economic System so that it is environmentally sustainable so thats socalled green capitalism and you know you have like British Petroleum b. P. Saying that theyre shifting all their you know theyre going to theyre going to be renewable in the next 1020 years which is of course a lot of nonsense so im critiquing the notion of green capitalism that the big giant transnational corporations and the elites which are often their political agents are going to salvage us from the ecological collapse that were already in but a Green New Deal i think is a very important step forward but a Green New Deal calls from massive we just have mission of wealth downward in massive reform and controls on the us unbridled operations of the transnational corporate elites well b. P. Says i its very green modi and the trump of course and then out of trash just president by robinson thank you very much thank you so much for having me on its a pleasure after the break ultraviolence after global protests against racist policing appear to slow in the face of seemingly apathetic governments and pandemic related lockdowns we explore a new film from Award Winning documentary maker can pharaohs the polls but and list resistance in the face of endless brutality all of them all can help but to have going underground. So seems wrong. Why dont we all just dont call. Me old yet to see how it does going to come ethical and endangered because betrayal. Once and many find themselves worlds apart when just to look for common ground. Welcome back while the whole world is preoccupied with a Global Pandemic 2 bills passing through the u. K. s parliament this month the overseas operations bill and the covert human intelligence sources bill are arguably attempting to immunize u. K. Operatives from facing justice both in the military and the police while many see these as 2 discrete issues a new film ultraviolence by ward winning filmmaker ken farah which explores deaths in u. K. Police custody looks at the point where the issues of endless war and endless Police Violence meet and he joins me now via skype from london ken thanks so much for coming on only in the past few days weve had a case of alleged British Police killing of a mentally ill man of color kevin clock in the in south london tell me about how your film tries to recover the memory of thousands dead at the hands of u. K. Security forces police in the u. K. Well what weve done is weve worked with a group of families over a long period of time to tell their stories whats tell us stories within the context of what was happening in the u. K. When we shot the film which was in the early 2000 so we have the iraq war going on and in fact one of the one of the people who was killed by the police a speech in the sun chris holder was itself a paratrooper so the connections between the 2 issues of or rule and policing are only very clear in this or im general though is one of the main characters and tries to get justice speaks very openly about the connection between more policing and its something we we shall have to be told because these issues cant really be separated and what we did is we worked for 15 years with a group of families to tell a story and also to tell the story of the nation and the story sums of how it in this country are willing to accept violence in the name whether its in terms of war or whether its in terms of policing and we find that socially unacceptable you show the c. C. T. V. Vid. You evidence of christopher all the dying when you 1st saw that footage what it did make you feel like well i felt angry just like anybody else i would look of up at the footage and all the footage in the film from the dump of all coca weve lived with our footage and weve analyzed them is trying to look at it in terms of an investigation but also your emotions and what it does to the audience and the families in the film were very clear they wanted people to see how the loved one died and its played out at length because i think sometimes these images that are shown its a shame very spotty and we wanted to let people know so they can feel what it was like for christmas lets be in that position but of course a lot of what happens before and after that events the events of its death was preceded by Police Violence there was no investigations what happened in the violence christopher all they got into the police and the last thing he said there was fed by the Police Offices and hospitals was if you treat him badly the papers or hear about this and you know he predicted his own death in the white so the film tries to look at this footage on other lines that also look at what happened before and of course what happens afterwards you you mention in the film the ledge the he was a he was gassed one of the many dimensions to is that one of the many dimensions here name checking that the great marxist director who was murdered have athame me. Well we wanted to make a film that appearance of many audiences and of course we mentioned hustling and goes in and the film is sort of codes from all the way you know in other words as well what we wanted to do was to make a film that appearance to not just people i cared about human rights abuses that were happening in the u. K. But people who were also interested in cinema and i think its delicate balance some people seem to think weve achieved it but of course all these influences and all these great people from the past their work their resistance whether its not so much films or poetry as it was but possibly feeds into us today and so we try to keep that heritage of personally and others go. When obviously the government denies telling everyone to retrain away from poetry and filmmaking because of the coronavirus but one thing the government does say is that we have robust regulation off Police Violence. But in your film this film ultraviolence you seem to be saying that the senate the independent Police Complaints commission now now changed it enables killing. All the organs of the state since weve been working on this issues for the past 25 to 30 years the Police Complaints or its the p. C. The p. C. Is just lets as a change every decade they have never ever successfully prosecuted Police Officers apart from the one case we reveal in this film for the 1st time and we finally and i think the fact that weve had over 2000 deaths in a 50 year period and that these crimes have gone unpunished is a testament to the failure of the states the states whether its so you could a labor a con