Name is n. H. S. Test and trace the name the media most of the media gives it why why is it important to call it test interest to think the public need to understand that the any chance has been privatized over a number of years and be at the service that theyre coming to get to in terms of just addresses not you know government owned its done by Company Called circle which many people might be fool and it is failing the general public there are not enough tests and to is there not enough tests and there are serious questions as to the brain which tests also being of ministry to do i could sit at the say that for example in my constituency where you know tests are running out constantly all across london and also that we dont see the level of maybe even protection that stuff should have. You know which to which should be the case especially in a test and. Is only one of the company. Is there many other companies and certainly they would deny that theyre not doing their best and by means of ours johnson says we have the best testing capability in europe so it may be bad in your constituency but its better than anywhere else according to the Prime Minister i disagree and i think you know if that was the case you would not also had a letter to m. P. s from serco just on the 14th of october outlining you know and trying to miss past some of the missed what they perceive to be misconceptions and you know theyre claiming that they you know they its an interest to triumph to have had now fit 500 and the dissent is its all good having 500 come and test and test and that is welcome but if theyre not producing enough tests and the needed then its not sufficient to to meet the demand you know at around you they sort of claim that 1600000. 00 of the 5. 00 militaries to divid have been done so its a critical of the march again it is not there what i think across some of the regions and particularly in london where the demand is probably higher it just hasnt been the case and i think you know a lot of people are still coming up without an appointment to get tested because the system is just not working properly well that you are being put in charge of it says it was never any Silver Bullet anyway the man they were mayor and the burnham is demanding Scientific Evidence for the latest tier one tier 2 system of coronavirus that we have here in britain is there a problem generally of Scientific Evidence i do independent sage so theres no Scientific Evidence for some of the to system itself ive been following the dependent stage quite quite close to it i do think that some of the recommendations have been made for examples of you know emergency measures to try and tackle the virus you know over 2 to me co 4 week period could really change things around one of the problems i think has been that i dont think the government has been transparent enough with their data. For independent sage even to make recommendations for even city mayors as you mentioned to be able to you know make calls that are relevant to their region and that back of transparency that openness has been that the scrutiny can be the same as well so you know we have questions on the temp in confusion and why thats a measure they seem to be effective but we can also see all of the data and the reasoning behind the measures being shared with us and its also much more harder to actually challenge the government on on those measures ok well your leader didnt vote against it explicitly you you may have similarly while the grow virus stuff is going on there all sorts of important Foreign Policy issues that are being debated in the house what did you make it may not even be Foreign Policy what do you make of this its been called a method of immunizing historic war crimes by u. K. Troops in iraq and in afghanistan maybe an island just explain what these overseas operations bill is i mean the overseas operations bill which has been proposed by the government is essentially to allow for the prosecution of military brass that which you know relate to crimes abroad proceedings over from 5 years ago or anything before 5 years ago to not be able to be brought you know in front of the courts for prosecution for judgment and i think you know if you look at the last 20 years when we know how much of you know the world has changed after 911 how much the world changed after the iraq war we are living in a different and landscape is really really important and it was your party that was that led this country to the iraq war why and then why is the leader of your labor party saying actually that what is the labor position on the immunizing of british ships of historic war grams well i think i mean i voted against the bill absent concrete and i think its really important to get an a for. You know footing in that position on a bill and to do so at 2nd reading and not to leave it of the door open for amendments to be made just at 3rd reading because i think that we did sends a weak signal in terms of our opposition to such a bill being passed and i couldnt possibly say you know what my leader believes in terms of the human rights impact of the bill which is immense you know we are all looking at a bill which does in fact you know actually impact upon the human rights Civil Liberties of military personnel who should have at any point i think in time with us 10 years down the line all 20 of them not be able to bring you know cases to the ministry of justice because thats the only way in fact justice can actually be achieved we know there are numerous cases where human rights abuses have taken place in iraq which have still not been brought in from to any national or International Court as you know the governments position is that there are too many vexatious claims and your leader as a mean clearly opposing it till this 3rd reading that you speak of but more worryingly arguably and this is made headlines all around the world the government is i mean it sounds unbelievable seems to be trying to immunize the Security Services in britain m i 5 and i 6 from being able to rape torture and murder people what war what made so many of you back benches in Parliament Vote against it and secures dhamma refused to vote against it the me it was actually the way in which the scope of crimes that could be committed are so wide and how you know thats thats called being so hard means that crimes can be incited so an agent estate agent you know a covert operative can actually go inside to crime commit rape or murder or torture as a way or actually logically apparently being able to tack. In a crime in the 1st place in the logic that you know in order to tackle crime in order to tackle terrorism we also need to may be allowed to stay operatives to commit maybe terrorism or murder or to china sea ice is actually you know on a moral point i think you know it should not be something that we should a tool support we know that we need cooperatives to stop Child Sexual Exploitation for example you know these are serious matters we in which the government needs to actually have covert operatives and to take out what but what we dont need i dont think is to have for example covert operatives being in relationships with women and you know having children with them. And not their that doesnt ever really knowing that thats actually whats happening that theyre actually being spied on and i think they really do need to be safeguards and the argument that ive heard in the east in the last 2 weeks that the human rights act provides a safeguard and provides a limitation on this statute is a i think completely misguided the human rights act does not allow for prosecutions to be able to be brought against individuals or even public bodies for that matter nobody has been ever prosecuted on the human rights act because its not possible under the human rights act to prosecute anyone and therefore the government sort of outlining that i think is really misguiding the public the edo and and the human rights act in fact is actually under review by this government even if the repetitions it wouldnt look possible in the future anyway but that suggest amo built himself as a human rights lawyer punished front benches with that i think they had to resign over this why why is he so confident that abstaining is the best route i mean i dont know disease reported a disease is he opposed to it i dont even know how many think there were a lot or whether there were lots of conversations about this and and you know certainly i think number of good amendments were tabled by the front bench of the Neighbor Party to this and you know looking at the ways in which young. People for example shouldnt be you know made part of the cove operate open a covert operations so you know putting certain amendments through is a positive thing by my party why do you still think that the main issue here is is the scope is is there a wide range of crimes that could be committed them in the Food Standards Agency for example i mean the so makes you think why would the Food Standards Agency need to be given power as the government is talking about you know this happening all in terms of the economic well being if you look at for example whats happened in the last 2 decades we we no way we are faced with a Climate Emergency and you know do we need Food Standards Agency to be given powers to by an activist for example that you know oral history very very you know keen to actually scrutinize the work of the government in terms of agriculture and food and you know we know that you know we definitely i think many of us to me feel that this is a direct attack by the government on you know organized labor or organized work on trading activity which is so vital for our democracy the right to strike the right to protest Extinction Rebellion you know that their work in terms of holding the government to account on the climate is so important for that to be able to flourish in a democracy but this bill actually puts all of that risk and just finally i mean is trafalgar day your leader has been going to have his eyes the flag patriotism black lives matter seems a fizzle that arguably in this country after all the stature debate how important do you think in terms of education we need to know about britains historical imperial record i think there are certainly lots of petitions are currently being put forward the government and im sitting on a committee soon and jointly with Education Committee of which were a member to actually for example consider the publics demands around the block. History curriculum and start to actually address a colonial history and this is one step in way in which to do that i dont think it goes far enough and as you say you know there is a bit of fizzling out i think from from what happened in the year with the black gloves much of protests is also not good enough i think to to talk about patriotism without actually you know i can ridging how damaging those messages are for you know black and minority ethnic communities you know we dont need to prove our loyalty to britain when we need our party unity government to actually you know put number one of the on the agenda for example the pandemic and how its you know leading to so many black lives. Being lost i havent yet managed to me tease us often as a result of the pan endemic we still have the highest number of excess deaths being experienced in one or 2 meetings and those things are really really vital when you try you know this is this is an earthquake in a lot of ways you know that this in terms of whats happened in the last few months the pandemic is really brought to light how you know racism is so imbedded in our institutions and and in our policies and thats thats what maybe needs to happen its not good enough just to talk about the curriculum and diversify we need to actually seriously address the fact that people are dying in this country as a result of policies that are embedded in racist narratives. Thank you. Thank you for the right after alleged washington failure to destroy democracy in bolivia why is trump secretary of state pompei own now calling for elections in haiti today when slavery. Was killed off the coast of spain we investigate the legacy of one of the leaders of the worlds 1st successful slave revolt. Move a tour of the socalled jacobin black box because all the small coming over but through of going underground. L. Look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law. For should be very careful about official intelligence and the point is made. Ever. Played on various shots and with Artificial Intelligence will summon the demon. The obama must protect its own existence as. Well. Welcome back well even while the usa looks to tennessee president ial debate donald trump secretary of state might bump aoe has been busy calling on the caribbean nation of haiti to hold elections critics accuse him of falling into line with washingtons repeated attempts under george w. Bush and barack obama to destabilize the once richest country in. The western hemisphere if true then trump is simply following the example set by us president Woodrow Wilson who imposed racist laws in haiti to raise the victory set by tucson of a tour when he inspired the 1st successful slave rebellion in Human History the historic flashpoint occurred during the time of nelson commemorated today in britain is trafalgar day dr Sudhir Hauser acing author of black spot because the epic life of 2 son of a tour joins me now from oxford in the u. K. So theyre welcome to going underground so it was the richest country in the western hemisphere the 1st successful slave revolt its been in the news because kanye west has been tweeting from lugo chavez airport in nattie who was tucson luva tour. So to say it was the son of and slaved parents who were brought forcibly to haiti in the 1st half of the edge in century or rather brought to send a man got the. Richest french colony he grew up on a plantation in the north of the colony and eventually his talents less such that he was brought to the attention of the plantation araki and he became effectively the assistant of the manager of the plant as and he lived for the 1st 50 years of his life until d the outbreak of the revolution of enslaved to 50 year olds watching this program can take heart that they can become revolutionaries of 50 its never too late exactly and then when the revolution broke out in 1791 he mediately became one of its leaders and rapidly established himself as the. Leader of the former and slave peoples and then he has this meteoric rise becomes a general in the French Republic and on the fight the british the spaniards and later on even the french kicks them out of sight of how demanded the french revolution the 2nd but you know im going to ask you because the history textbooks i have at school said pitt the younger was a great reformer here in britain with wilberforce an antislavery you say to sell of a tour or basically. Commanded an army the kill 15000 british troops on haiti what were the british doing there well its a very good question and its one that is rather an understudy in in britain but one thing that we know now is that a soon as slavery was abolished in sandman in 7093 and then by the french in 74 the british who. Had a lot of interests in the caribbean region intervened militarily in sand in order to try and help restore slick so between 709479 there is a British Occupation of odds of saddam and 2 son has to fight and he fights them and eventually serves them out of the hunt to another misinformation about bit the bit the younger then what about the american independence leaders as he said robespierre declares the end of slavery in paris and 7094 any help from the United States the americans are divided because theyre on the one hand they know that they have slavery in their own country and the American Revolution has you know does not take any Decisive Action against slavery at the same time some of the leaders of the American Revolution particularly john had is very sympathetic towards the republican experiment in hate but others like jefferson for example talked of the haitians as cannibals. And you have some leaders of the American Revolution particularly the ones who were particularly close to slave interests like jefferson were very hostile toward saddam and towards hate will donald trump wont be pulling him down any statues of jefferson ill tell you that i made a joke about revolutionaries in their fiftys but given the brutality of slavery a half of 2 sons contemporaries may have died from the plantation he was it was born in prematurely and this you attribute to france is brutal code no war tell us a little bit about that. So the code nor was supposed to be an attempt by the royal authorities when he was promulgated in the late 17th. And in the late 17th century an attempt to regulate slavery so that the most. Dream forms of barbaric cruelty towards slaves were some code if according to the cardinal law slaves belong to them. Slaves had no civil Political Rights and indeed a child born of the slaves became the property of his austin so the god no it is really a document which effectively. Codify. The system of slavery and do you think to size a tragic figure in that he failed to declare independence he may have led the worlds 1st slave revolt successful slave revolt but not declaring full independence for france was his downfall well thats how it actually played out but i think that his strategy was the right one of because his strategy was based on the hope that the french would understand what the best way for a place like fundamentally iran where my friends i mean even napoleon in the counter revolution against the familiar evolution even napoleon because lets not forget and i mention this in