Responses what a trump take to save his life right now or trying to see 3 different social medicine supersede more pretty early but i actually think that maybe direction a treatment that he received and anybody you know im a company of general your receiver and as of yet we just antiviral gilliatt and he received. Now these 3 Different Things they have a body search to go and neutralize virus everywhere in the body its player long as you very well then the antiviral. Does appear in basically slows down the virus once its already in a cell for making more cell and then finally the steroids what it really does is it knocks down your immune system normally they give it to you way later in the infection when their goal is to stop your new system from overreacting and attacking your lungs your are even your brain so they decided to get all 3 at once and in this case it seems like its an. Just away from kobe just for a 2nd ive been saying on this show regeneration that had links to cuba because the c. E. O. Once visited cuba ive also been repeating something some Mainstream Media outlets have that the region around treatment may be based on fetal stem cells i understand ive been talking rubbish. Half truths so in 1983 there was a study and another once where they isolated actually 93 human embryonic any cell number 293 this is a human cell it was derived from a fetus and that cell was immortalized so you can grow never any copies of it and over the next 50 years that those copies of that use of that cell ended up in laboratories all over the world such that most out of Technology Companies use actually 13. 00 is just that deep all self you want to grow proteins that come out of human cells be dont have to go and a person to take their tissue and you can use ect in 13 and so thats been used by laboratories all over the world to generate the virus but id be safe to say that every Biotechnology Group has been working on a virus prices probably use at united through a certain points during their research ok well it will be up to a week only barrett presumably on the Supreme Court to figure out privy angles there on roe versus wade certainly that context back to the actual vaccine you think that we shouldnt be overly concerned about the fact theres not being as yet a peer reviewed. Level trial vaccine yeah so i mean we need those those trials. But i am an optimist that the vaccines are going to work ive seen the data so far from multiple vaccines and theyre all exceeding expectations the threshold was set very low by the f. D. A. Of if you percent effectiveness i think were seeing in excess of 80 percent. That vaccines are listening anybodies and you know anybody can provide protection some of that accidents are also stimulating t. Cells. We dont still need those base 3 trials for the vaccine all under all because those are the trials we start making our rare attention the important side effects and thats also in the phase 3 trials when youre actually letting us people out into society and seeing if they get sick or not so there was one of the trials to wit that was caused because of a couple subjects seen like that neural inflammation neurological inflammation after receiving the vaccine so theyre checking to see is a sister when cements or is the presence of this vaccine somehow causing the immune system to attack maybe this person was in fact you were on a virus and now its attacking their nerves maybe the vaccine cause neurological act this is very rare it is something that has been observed in vaccines previously is that the astra zeneca said the one dribble to which some people have already been saying they may have restarted the trials 2 too soon im not sure what your view is. Likely they would need to see the data to know i think it you know there there have been. Cases give ambar syndrome associated vaccines previously so this is not unprecedented and we know that the coronavirus does in fact its not all tissue thats one of the unique things about this virus new benign this whole year is that there is a risk that this this virus gets out loss it can infect our tissue in fact ranges shared neurons so we need to keep in mind with our vaccines and whether anybody there be that theres going to be some group that while that axiom is kicking in they may get infected so thats what were checking for is to make sure that exene doesnt in an early start causing tissue which now again were not confirmed that thats a problem yet it may be just fine but thats certainly something scientists are thinking i mean you know last time you were on we talked a little bit about how big Multinational Pharmaceutical Companies seem to be benefiting from Research Money has that improved since i must put to you. Not yet but im going to be that we have anybody carries on these Big Companies they have obviously spent billions of dollars in many decades paving the way for technologies that i now use but it would help i think for there to be more chips on the table on more Technology Companies so my company in particular our anybody is different than the other. Shows to turn off are the anybody that causes activation of the union system and this was a safety feature we were concerned that you could potentially el patient giving anybody to block the virus at the same time it made us information that could be problematic i think what companies and countries should choose to do is invest in gold prices because we do not know yet which ones that we do know that clearly. Molecule has just been poz because of safety concerns not we dont know what that is and it may be unrelated but this trial has a mystery illness is all we know because this is all top secrets of elf from the Big Pharma Companies now so imagine that that is the safety of factor comes your problem general is going to have the same problem and you really want to have in your back pocket an alternative solutions such as our molecule which may be protected from that so thats the reason you dont want to put all your eggs in one basket i think everybody thinks theres going to be this great Vaccine Party when the vaccines thats these are great im glad we have them but the truth is not everyones going to take them they dont work on everybody and theres a lady. And you have a lot up and were going to have a very confusing 2021 where people are going to continue to all who are in the Hospital System so thats why we need to there be an attack scene and thats whats going to get the world back on track and i think that that message should really permeate the 1st out of 24 i mean i do with thing is i suppose it permeates better with the public at large maybe than the stenographer journalist who just read the big pharma press release where you have with your treatment for coronavirus yeah so we were fortunate that we 1st off my my companys profitable i didnt develop antibodies for about that. There are mostly to accompany it so i was able to invest my own money into pursuing this there because i believed it was necessary you benefit from by laboratories across 3 nations that helped us validate our molecule as neutralizing the current a virus and protected asters from getting sick and then we benefited from charles or laboratories surprise supported our safety and Toxicity Research and are working with your Great Companies add in that little or sigma out there doing our manufacturing of the drug so this present position to start our studies early in the new year we are knocking on doors still in the United States and were beginning to talk to other countries as well as Additional Resources that accelerate that so we could potentially start in december but either way the studies once they start their fast because unlike a vaccine study react to get a bunch of shots go under people and wait a long time for the vaccine to get and and then wait longer another 3 months to see if there are acted within anybody out there in your studies or a few weeks the is you grab people in a shot ospital you test them there go that positive slap and i be on their on their arm and then over the next 10 days you know where the drugs and that means you can move very quickly based on face to face 3 thats the good news bottom line is our medicine will be available. 2020 well given your star that netflix film maybe should get money from them but do you think about other countries i mean im going to ask the geopolitical let alone the case 3 big pharma angle to funding for these things the u. S. The National CounterintelligenceSecurity Center apparently is as it says in russia china and iran are preventing the u. S. From getting a covert vaccine now one presumes do they mean the russian sputnik 5 vaccine which tens of thousands of taken but then the press here saying russia is lying about that vaccine one of the geo political stakes specially in the context of you maybe getting funding from abroad of this panacea to corona virus so look at. As a computational biologist and algorithm developer theres this concept of boosting which says if youre building an algorithm to solve a problem its actually better to have multiple Different Solutions and then have all sort of compete to create a solution its sort of what were having globally and im actually glad that there are multiple that are back seen solutions all over the world and theyre obviously they need to be tested in any useful way and we need to accurately report the results there are governments and companies that have an interest here that may misaligned with the public good and i think thats something we need to keep an eye on but but ultimately we have a challenge and that is that no single entity is going to produce enough vaccine to protect the whole earth and we need to do that and so were actually better off having multiple options that work a little different and theyre all doing different manufacturing so if you make those out there and then we will shift gears whatever vaccine works best as well the lockdowns continue i mean here with us to talk about it im sure in the United States i mean thats the pelosi speaker the have said us regulations are tougher than the ones over here in britain maybe yes or seneca a box of vaccine might not even be able to be used in the United States as these sorts of criteria are really going to make a big difference to the response in some countries and no in others as regards kovan yeah i think there are going to be some differences and that is something that we spend some time on it for anybody therapy you run into this issue right so we are a u. S. Based company we focus on talking with the f. D. A. And b. As in theory there are going to barge amounts of money available that we have and access the majority of it but at the same time hes a problem for us i would be deeply unsatisfied and in fact it does not solve the problem if our drug just is available at the us and groups that accepts. The decisions by the f. D. A. On on what constitutes an acceptable medicine that is part of the world but you have to consider all their friends regions of the world and if youre serious we are serious as a collective Human Society about this and then the need to make sure that the medicines are accessible and affordable. Medicines are accessible people can take them. And what we know is that those people will just keep reinvesting everyone else even if youre a psychopath you should still want to have everyone on the world that man is in a need to be affordable as well this isnt a major problem ive seen so far is that people are waiting to reduce these medicines there are large corporations were looking there and saying it will be made in excess of 10000000000 dollars and 2020 thats great for them it would motivate them to solve the problem but it actually hasnt because if theyre charging so much that not everyone can afford it then again theres going to be many people who are going to continue to are in fact the rest of us and we do not. Have to Jacob Glanville thank you thank you after the break from sheffield to the European Union to the white house we talk disrupting the political status quo with the youngest lord mayor of sheffield in one of the last u. K. Anybodys magic magic dollars or more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. L. Look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence and the point is to create a trance. Like area saying with Artificial Intelligence where something to. The obama must protect its own existence is only exist. When you look and you know its its been a 153 years since emancipation when you look at its been 400 years right since black people have been in the us to extract in their labor for the construction of the country and then you think that black people on about 2 percent of us wealth and a disproportionately high is category in almost everything thats negative i just dont see that that i dont see how anybody anywhere it defined as as a we. Welcome back from an arguably haphazard approach to corona virus restrictions to allegations that the home secretary considered building an asylum Processing Center on the u. K. s most remote territory in the suggestion that those working in the arts should retrain for it has been another ugly rocky week for the u. K. s conservative government one which some have noted as not being reflected by a majestys opposition so with no formal pushback to an arguably destructive government approach how can one utilize their own abilities to fight for justice and equality one man who has experience pushing back against powerful forces from a seemingly new. Labor counsel to the president of the United States is the youngest ever lord mayor of sheffield and former green m. E. P. Legend magic his new book we are 2 disruption the manifest of a real change is out now and going underground Deputy Editor charlie cook caught up with him to talk about it and i do thank you so much for coming on going underground youre the youngest sheffield and youre one of the last year k m e pays to tell us about the art of disruption your new book slash manifesto so and this book is a guide in courageous doing batson against the angel palestra which is going to be what life and politics they can use the stories from becomes a contrast refugee with my family aged 5 growing up in a possum destroy the unseen sheffields and right through to me being a council an old man being an elected member ripping parliament so i guess if you want to know if you want to make a change because small you dont know where to start this book is definitely the you you mentioned coming from somalia as a refugee just tell me about that. Basically and there was a civil war happening within somalia and we could have ended anywhere in the world and like many of the people of many of the refugees that have to leave the home for many Different Reasons to be honest and we left our family our friends everything behind just to kind of seek safety and we could have ended up anywhere and we can end it up in sheffield that it was said a brief stint in ethiopia and ended up coming to sheffield for those that on the sheffield is the 1st century in the u. K. Its got a very long rich history in welcoming people from all across the world and despite what the had right wing media tabloid cellular tells you a lot of refugees dont come to make anyones life and uses its major and difficult than it already is this is a case of wants to see refugees more than anything else and i see could have become too bad place to just humans i do want to get on to a time as lord maddie to tell a bit but i just wanted to get your opinions on recent so. The pretty tallis proposing to send Asylum Seekers the ascension islands i know you mention the astray and style immigration system in europe is just as evil and then they wanted to shit refugees into islands god knows where an onus is just discussed in and humane and the sad thing is i dont i actually. Im not surprised specially with some of the draconian policies and initiatives that shes been pushing forward and we all have to do everything that we can make sure that nothing like that actually comes up and of course. The fall of the whole astray and style system should have gone either the something is it been children people or base been stuck on this island that sister Education System on anything and its not a model that we should be driving you nuts probably not something once its below any shape or form pretty little what it was they say shes always acted appropriately that segues i think nicely into a point you make in the book about being accused of being too political why do you think that is used as kind of a flower accusing you of being too political i think the american because a lot of people at times just are just happy with the status quo and when they see somebody whos housed basically is innocent in just being a bit of a shock some are more people say our budget you know you need to tone it down you know maybe shouldnt talk about that be too political but being someone whos a black muslim comes conscious refugio it would how can i not be political everything is political and i feel as if i would be such a disservice if i didnt use my plot for the kind of speak i can see just as not only the eyepiece but other people face as well i know ive been fortunate to have and and have a following and have a platform that everyone has got a degree of influence and with their own circle so the quantifiers expose not only the deep inequalities in our society but also proven what many progressive people being we are only as secure as the most vulnerable amongst us and when you and lord matt this is where a kind of the accusations even to political kind of seem to pop up the most on