Ideal and the real realistic can be actually bridged i hope so otherwise what do they do or do something remember you are right. You know you dont need to be of narcissist. Unfortunately too many leaders are really out from number woman sort of group its very to. The nice terms you support your millage a sense of humanity and to see older stage no longer theyve been there and break away sorry thats. Their actually its very Interesting Times then me because it focuses in a way its the largest social experiment ever done. Nor could. Now that number sanaa is you Condition One is that people become more reflective and say what kind of role do we need i mean at the moment. You know i look at the world and i didnt wonder many years ago before you were born and i had at this about science which talked about how can a person in the erse so now people are more concerned of course about Global Warming and things like that there was also movie that was in the sixtys its also of course in the time of the cold war it was. Dr strangelove people enough to sort its and i wanted to Dangerous Nuclear all across and so its still there actually every single bar Companies Like back a star and north korea you dont get the warm feeling was having their finger on the Nuclear Button then of course you have the terrorism because all over the place it is still there and they you have faults you know also in the case i know here quite well because as have been so many times there is income inequality i mean you look at america its enormous fortune in europe right in the its much less and of course countries like poland and sweden its much more equal but when you have large income inequalities its an invitation for social disaster. And they have to pull them in and there were a different conflicts at the office of them then bad examples of course being countries like america. And also a country like india you know terrible way of dealing is it rich now that mescaline it is supposed to be people who dont from moscow or you know demand growth in caracas totally their lives and how its its really a perfect storm and and of course what you need are leaders socially as you mentioned. You know who i have compassion and have some empathy instead of we have yes be no days of culture that is so people are big leaders. Who. Wish to believe. But lets be a little more precise because i would like to talk to you during this interview about leadership and different kinds of walks of lives but now weve touched upon World Leaders right the political leaders and youre saying this is the perfect storm and this perfect storm actually brings to the surface all the downfalls of the systems of the people who are actually having their countries masks are off i mean never has there been a time where everything has been so clear when they say the king is in a cave this is the time about the saying so. It seems like looking over. The world landscape of Political Leadership landscape the. Better and thats my next question thats my next question but if we talk about the kings that are naked right. And that has become obvious during the pandemic it has a lot of people thinking that maybe they have the political elite that is heading the world great now lives in the old paradigm that doesnt correspond to the new problems that the world is facing and im not really only talking about the demick the pandemic will go away in a year and a half hopefully there will be a look see and i mean every 100 years there is a condemning but im talking about the problems that it has brought to surface and the inability of the current political elite to deal with these new problems that just dont correspond that old political paradigm what kind of leaders do we need right now considering that we know more precisely what are the problems the world is facing now. Well you know certain things are not new and i think one of the the infineon there. The problem we always have is the greek factor nor the element of greed has been there so are the ages in that still there. And thats i think fairly not so silent motivator the people behave the way they do i mean its really take the United States as an example even in there if you know if their interests communities are the most bursted they have the best education because it was the education is away or looking so division believed to obamas miracles they still milked a vote for tong many of them who took trump because of. It is f. And tasted done financially because of fairy shorts short wave or a short rate of looking at the unfair its a said to your there is no short term. Surge in the entertainment country which is divided and people live in a safe communities guarded by whatever powers protect the. Goons who protect them which is a terrible ray of living his example. The great effect it has always been there and it is unfortunately has been has come very much to the fore come back to your question and youre the only depressed new south and what you need is people who are current today ages and are going to face reality as all the problems by the way that we live now in an age of social media has no meaning or its effect and you know it and thus is no stranger to that by the way in the distribution effect or its and what about the world has become mosty in that and its there quite unfortunate that you start to get. A lot of people that have spoken to said you know when things like demick sap and right where when theres so much uncertainty and no one has the answers you can be the most experienced leader and you can be very smart. And you can be married talented but ls you have Emotional Intelligence and that a compass is a lot of other traits within itself for instance empathy and additive it is theres no way you can lead a nation out of crisis like program like would you agree with us would you agree that Something LikeEmotional Intelligence is a must have for a good leader during the times of crisis like this person you have to know what are your strengths and weaknesses you can do it all leadership is really a team sport and fortunate tom to give that example because i like the example and so im also now my psychoanalyst amount of the life of 2 heads are mentioned professor and psychoanalyst he is the example of a school to mimic the narcissist in a malignant narcissist is basically i didnt write a bit about him actually because i thought so you know i can believe in the people because sicko machine really is as so he basically has made it seems is he is so insecure or that its all about him it will never be about its always about him something about him and the 2nd seeing his face indicative to anybody whos not his him is against him or do anything to crush the prince yes to with it is of course going to be interesting because of this election because he cant lose his mind so he has to find all different ways to find excuses and so thats it but coming back to executives you know the 1st thing i tried to do in my going back to your question about Emotional Intelligence is the question of no dice. And to understand their strengths and weaknesses so many executives dont know him self they dont know right to do more to do the sentencing is that very often and bossy is a very good example actually given the power of this. Is kind of remarkable if you think of our community and sings like that in the past but theres an enormous amount of or be used to authority so or this great tendency for other greek word going to a breeze people become too full of themselves and nobody can push them back because. Case of course also on top. So death and and that is also door to self destruction so it was my surprise that now people many people have a tendency to selfdestruct in leadership position unless you have a treat if you take a Corporate Culture where people have a healthy disrespect for their boss but its not so easy and particularly in the last year ive done quite some work there is organizations and organ but our this and the 2nd saying with always surprises me or the source is that many executives dont get the best of their people its really again they have no again this who is emotion tell it is and what i found very noticeable after the 1st week in my program it is 4 weeks over a year the 1st thing you dont know that people never had a serious conversation is that they have never listened to them so thats what they do is start to have some conversation is that the other thing has to do is as i said the other ship is a team sport and since you can do everything you should focus on the scene should it and you should find people who can compensate for listening to you not good at it and so i was they give me a somewhat neurotic to make something out of the short time and just be in my work at n. C. R. Ive been trying to buy them yet in coaching so are 2 really and its always surprises me when you look at exec a leadership in organizations that people spend millions dense of millions of dollars or whatever your sort ever on id systems things like that but they are unable to aligned at all and that cost more money because you get terrified to better me as all this grand schemes people are multiplying matter that take a short break right now when were back well continue talking to a man fred katz to free years i was a political thinkers on the psychology of leadership talking about what kind of leaders does the world that we need today stay with us. Or. Are. You know when the family 1st said back in february the question i posed to the global audience was will this be a crisis sufficient enough to override the ability of Central Banks to paper over the crisis because for the last 30 years every crisis weve had whether its a market crash or the 2000 subprime crash or a hurricane or ecological or depopulation or wars always been met with paper printing by the Central Banks and as long as the Interest Rates keep going down theres no penalty for issuing all that paper as weve seen now for 40 years Interest Rates have gone down so now here we are in the end of the year the question again is is the cause of it a crisis big enough to not be able to be fixed by Central Bank Money printing. A dog industry comes to life in los angeles every night. Dozens of women sells their bodies on the streets many of them underage. Los Angeles Police reveal a taste of their daily challenge if youre going to exploit for a child here in los angeles for the were going to come as you see officers going undercover as 6 workers and customers to fight the 6 trades. And were back with mad catz different year. Thinker on the psychology of leadership man correct me if im wrong but what i still. Real life is that the vast majority of leaders whether its c. E. O. s of corporations whether its hads of states whether its you know just the heads of little Small Companies doesnt matter they have the trades. That good guys dont have you know because good guys always finish last i mean we talk about trump being in the league narcissus but a lot of people who actually get to power are of power hungry are narcissistic are pushy they do lakes sort of go over other peoples heads to get where they want and thats why their leaders and other good guys with compassion and Emotional Intelligence always stay behind i want peace in the article about we should have leaders for life and then you know which was unfair a cynical article because leaders for life are not in doesnt make made for stability in the country and thats and also in the 20 organization so. In the short term those people might come up but i think one should do everything to have some checks and balances to prevent those people to come to the fore destination for example ive developed many kinds of c 60 questionnaires that you basically tease out the narcissus i mean the political marsett narcissus is part of the deal better rate of is the question of access always you need to be narcissistic personally for selfconfidence as the excess that people can push back they can tell a person you for that kind of thing you know stop and this doesnt go anywhere but i think when you have too much obedience to Authority People are in luck to you and many of the leaders you talk about mission echo chamber i mean they know what they think they want the right want are the interest of other people think thats i think important to me you learn you dont learn by as time yourself the same saying so this day in age you can have some to class or take adventurous you can also say maybe we should have somewhat of a different view of a you have to be somewhat bizarre to hope. And thats partially it was of the Younger Generation i mean i i im not going to are in sync about Global Warming im too old to really own a comma here not too old i dont feel at all but i mean i dont know going to necessarily affect be affected so much by that but in sync about my children and grandchildren they are and so you can see that you know that the Younger Generation may be the company isnt it and is actually the invention of the jungle generation because the Younger Generation was so affected my age and more that im just gets affected by he had maybe thats what it is to find and get all those people out of the way who have certain racial looking at sayings but lets say you leave a couple of thank your is a girl and you tater i dont know lets say prince of orange and he has led the revolt yet now. What do you have to change one of the essential Leadership Qualities you will try to grow in him. Now i guess one thing we talk about certain qualities one is to have certain amount of selfconfidence i had one executive who was who runs a Large Media Company who told me thank you thank you for being in the seminar because i had the courage that she doesnt have before it was a very good person to make some tough decisions nonsinging im not going to fight anybody that was actually its a tough decision or of course were going to its much easier to in bring in panic to fight i said he said im not going to fight anybody and im going to really hope to hospitals also and have a i have i take a salary cut theres the whole top executives at say that say thats the courage to have courage to do certain seeing and to stand up and say this is about it and you know it everybody whos crazy also feel awful but you can dispatch ings of courage muscle to say this this cannot stand now so you have selfconfidence i mean when you look at the person is basically a child who are so insecure or needs all the time the enforcement so to be to be more aware what you can do and can do coming back to strengths and weaknesses it also going back to your comment about the care that you have a sense of compassion now you have to do it it was in moderation because if you have to do and bess if you dont bet anymore everything is you can that he or she can understand everything but that might be paralyzed what about cold blooded ness is something a good leader should also balancing himself. Now that has to do with the balance of compassion. Your men your i mean infrastructure ill show you what i mean because when you see big leaders they need to take Big Decisions and even though its for the good of the people in the long run it doesnt necessarily come across that way to the people right then and there and people sometimes have to suffer for big reforms for a certain period of time 5 years 10 years thats a big chunk of time for one persons life so these people are faced with assad to be compassionate no go with the reforms and you know let the people be happy now or be cold blooded go along with the reform whether its a big c. E. O. Of a company or president of a country but in the longer on even though people are unhappy now with the reforms it will be better off for the country or for the company i see it not as. A blogger see this cribbing create some tension no you have to make difficult decision because they the right decision as far as you can see in that cities and supposedly are elected but when you elect people who just cater to division to believe like you see in brazil mysie mean there is this kind of discount of person or i mean theyre coming back to america they dont have the competence to make those decisions if they realized. They would say they are not stupid people dont realize that they would surround himself with people who would advise they look at a populist like come back to america is a tribute example of what were creating it was nectar and he also knew then he was out of his debts so he made you know he had pretty decent advice thats not the case when you look at the present situation american so bloodedness is the ability i seem to take some distance and be able to explain what youre saying just in the better investment nation and there was a man called out in the hour who was the german. You know theyre in germany comes later he said a thick skin is a gift of growth unfortunately as only that at times you have need to have a 6 again because you can never please everybody if you want to please everybody you sell ice cream thats my advice is there like a natural the wide and people between leaders and followers and some people are destined to lead and others follow or anyone really can grow a leader in himself if he wants to thats a very interesting question and its not easy to answer because some people feel much better i mean in case of crisis we have a tendency to go back to whats called the dependency assumption be looking for someone who can lead us you know there is as always already from politics times you know you talk about are you from lucian bute for somebody. Thats in general tend to be able to have this fight or flight was at same time and some people depending on their background to mean i mean i was to say quran was you look at some developmental now or the well actually for you to use to say talked about mine a gold in the sea if you as a man this and many of the if if if you had been the favorite ocean mother you cant lose thats what he said so you are you get a lot of self you have this freedom with for