Hello and welcome across town for all things are considered im Peter Lavelle as the election approaches we feel its necessary to ask a very simple though important question why do most potential voters describe themselves as independent or not affiliated with a Political Party on top of this whole after poll revealed voters want more choices is the 2 party system limiting a more robust democracy. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest will piers in washington and he is a democratic strategist and in Fort Lauderdale were joined by john karr dello he is a t. V. Host as well as a conservative political strategist are joining prost up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok lets go to well in washington. A recent gallup poll tells a lot of lot about disaffection many of potential voters have been looking at this election and. Parties here 57 percent believe that there should be more choices that there should be a 3rd party now all 3 of us no 3rd party has been bandied about a lot and actually has made a difference in some campaigns in the past but there seems to be no movement in that direction as a matter of fact there are plenty of reports the democrats who are challenging. Green Party Candidates from running in certain states and things like this but the people want this will how do you counter that i mean is the 2 party system working if 57 percent of potential voters dont affiliate with either party i just think its a reflection off freespire in the United States where all those already back in revenue some do one thing i just want to say real quick those that. In america we do and in a sense have in turn our own parties and look at the Democratic Party overall we have the progressive bring in and you have some people of color to original side of the Democratic Party and a republican side as well especially where from trumka coming on 2016 you see regional side of the Republican Party and now you see a new side a democrat a Republican Party who are all ok well i mean i mean lets look at that thats an interesting argument but even when the is the 2 parties a lot of people feel disaffected will give you im a perfect example ok i see myself as a conservative but i am a noninterventionist so theres no place for me in the Republican Party if theres a john mccain. Lindsey graham or marco rubio i cant know if i have no ability with those people whatsoever so you know i dont thats why you know there will be chants of the to the in the to the g. O. P. I mean you see what im getting here ok i mean the parties are very monolithic they can what they claim to stand for which i dont think they do but thats that and that disaffected people go ahead well look i agree with you wholeheartedly and then well to an extent as well theres faction and within the party but i agree more with your point that the parties are. Monolithic because at the end of the day no matter how radical a o. C. Or a sheet of flame is on the left door or what a Freedom Fighter a jim jordan or matt gates was a friend of mine is on the right they still have to caucus with the establishment when the end of the day as hes going to vote the way nancy pelosi tells her to vote and the members on the right to Republican Party are going to caucus with mccarthy and the establishment wing of the party but theres one reason we dont have a true 3rd party in this country and its money simple as that money 2 major parties control all the money and its very difficult youre talking about name recognition brand name recognition and of the individual candidates in this hypothetical 3rd party were talking tens if not hundreds of billions of required dollars over not years but decades to make a 3rd party viable i think well get there but i doubt theyre going to get there any time since you know i think people are going to jump in well thats what i have a degree of time like look at this press primer all you know Mike Bloomberg one of most americans you know if you try to get and you try to you know hes not an image today hes not in service man democrat and hes not and hes not a progressive you havent gotten here yet hes no which as i say it takes time as much as money im with you will we agree on this even with his 56000000000 it still would have taken decades Mike Bloomberg to morrow said im stuck in the Bloomberg Party and im putting 25000000000. 00 toward it it would still take a bow decade to make that party viable i think you and i are in agreement just saying the same thing and 2 different. David will but then its a donor issue because i mean if you look at where the donors but there lenny theres nobody going in both sides of the body ok i mean good to get in this Contest Rules being the be the space of what can be obsolete in force because when i look at you know some of the real conservatives in the Republican Party. That theyre swayed. Its not nearly as much as i think it should be my criticism of the Republican Party that its theres a small number of libertarians that dictate too much so much policy that most people dont people who dont agree with i mean you look at the majority harry and issues i mean its very much with the libertarians and i think trump has made a huge mistake in his presidency listening to those people and theyre not and then on the left here i mean im a conservative but in 2016 there were 2 candidates i followed trump and Bernie Sanders when bernie got burned again by the same kind of machine politics because its all about money and i think that that hinders the democratic experience and it does affect people to get involved in politics to take really young people i think were going to rue the day by shutting them out of the process here will agree agree and disagree with me i disagree if you like we can 2016 so work on Bernie Sanders abstemious it was 27. 00 and like you know he got a lot of donations truck the whole entire country overall from people who are who are average you know Blue Collar Workers she got that many to count but didnt like that at in a day 2 its also inside the Party Overall so we could look at 26. 00 seem to had they have a subset rule such as debates or caucuses and in the primaries overall so its that it is money but its also this absolute rule over all that like hope that hinders part of her or that is really very green on that and you know i mean bernie was is it was consistently shut out you know in this election cycle he seemed to kind of buy into the establishment they were nice to him they were friendly with them they took a Committee Assignments you know he they brought him in and you know thats bernies president s decision but a lot of people. Progressives are still very disappointed john you know it seems to me and a watching like nancy pelosi she has more then him for progressive than you has for any republican yeah look i mean magic. Los the Elizabeth Warren kemal Harris Joe Biden theyre all wall street hacks at the end of the day you touched on an important point right i dont care who you are youre a Major Corporation you know your Small Business thats growing and now starting to hire 10200 employees you bet both horses and ive done it when i was on the corporate side of the what you have to do it because you dont want to be regulated you dont want to you know want to have regulation retribution by the side to which you didnt donate but to wills point i agree with well again here is that the establishment has a lot to do with this and both parties for the simple reason that you need to be establishment infrastructure to win right now youre saying donald trump gain a lot of ground here in florida were seeing some new numbers out of ohio out of texas minnesota and one of the reasons thats happening if not the reason is that the Republican Party in the last month has really got it together and they are knocking doors like crazy last thursday in the state of florida alone Republican Party not 36000. 00 on behalf of donald trump and republicans and that kind of grassroots politicking is what wins elections and to wills point you cant have that infrastructure unless the establishment mind you so if you go too far in one direction and palosi mccarthy urana mcdaniel a whats his name perots on at the d. N. C. If they start polling that support in order in the state parties to pull that grassroots support you cant win so the establishment in addition of money does control a lot of whats going to continue to happen in the elections yamin you know hes a big this is going to cross how can we keep agreement each other i know i dont wish to go but i do. Know when were going out and when and when were going up on. Will i mean again i mean i want to keep pressing the point here because i think a lot of people in both parties feel disaffected because in the donor is basically driving the agenda and it again will use the example myself thats ok you know im disaffected by the Republican Party because i am an intervention thats why i took interest in donald trump in the 1st place in 2. 1016 and i think a lot of other people did for the same reason but at the end of the day the Party Controls that you know i mean it seems to me you know people say that trump is revolutionized Republican Party you know the Republican Partys names donald trump thats my opinion particularly in Foreign Policy here so will again i mean will there be any kind of progressive voices and if joe biden waves because it seems to me that they plate lip service to the rhetoric but i dont see it and i see just this continuation of a new liberal model which is disaffected more in more people ok and it has very little to do with the the will of the people as the will of the people that have money they can make decisions again the donor class is all important so let you know will they be progress and so get and then it you know in the republicans like we see more conservatives instead of libertarians will you can answer that the democrats so this is the doing over all the way so every 2 every time we have a president ial Election Year we see 1617. 00 sometimes even 20 cameras and each side running and some people are like oh gosh why is this happening i believe thats thats good overall because what happens is it helps shift over or nominee on each side of the party so when biden to some round when you have everyone in their mom running on a democratic side that helps shift joe biden over to the left 4 years ago and down the truck ran when it was the same thing as well it helps shift a party over all but one thing to really crucible like a real house im seeing with both sides about to go is that while a lot of people are left out of the system overall its because of the system does not engage and so less so if you look an average voter average voter if they do not vote and a few elections they get left off at the target overall because a campaign to say wow im going to turn out someone who doesnt vote you keep going to over and over it or it isnt it isnt that a vicious circle thats a big circle because overall look at the trade overall right now one of my clients when we were doing target back in a prime. We try to poll after americans who had a high propensity of voting and to detroit in a detroit market overall it was less than 20 percent overall when you look at different cities overall in the city and in a lot of sides to say wow why go after americans not because you do not talk why do you have done for because you do not target him why do you disapprove because you dont target him so im really proud of myself and my endo we were for the say its important for america owed is passed we can we send 20000000 Text Messages to voters and we have to register to vote you for as well to people who are not targeted by the campaigns it doesnt matter if to vote for donald trump or joe biden we just said listen you have to vote so for 2 years 4 years that or im just cant reach out you can are going to take your message of heart well thats such a good point you know john you know that roach ad that was working with the Bernie Sanders i mean i im sassed needed by his Campaign Strategy and reaching out to latino is because if they get the more he reached out in texas and in florida it gave latino the choice i mean theyre saying this is what hes saying and and so the process that is speaking to them and they might say but im more conservative but even he even tried to buttonhole them for the democrats actually have a number station with them and bring them into the process the latino vote is going to be absolutely crucial in biting in this election and im really glad that well pointed out Start Talking to him ok that oh yeah go ahead finish the Republican Partys been terrible at a gauge but theyve got now better at it right are you guys are right well donald trump picking up ground with with africanamericans for the simple reason that now even he to use this term black voters is voters americans who get up and go to work every day to feed their kids who happen to be africanamerican or hispanic they dont identify with these black wives matter lunatics breaking store windows trying to kill cops they dont identify with this maybe never had a beat up i dont know heart rate i have little heart breaks and legs and that apartment when its on the Political Campaign in the United States. 20 in november. I never played hi lo poker thats when the low head and the high hand. So weve got a situation in the Global Economy right now where in the currency markets various countries are trying to win with the worst possible hand to see how this works out. Israel media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Heis a nation community. Are you going the right way or are you being led. Away. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or remain in the shallow. Welcome out across town where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were talking about Political Party diversity in america. Ok john lets go back to you in for a lot of it im sorry we had to go hard break go ahead and finish your point what i was saying is that africanamerican. Normal americans happen to be black americans who get up and go to work and worry about what everybody worries about feeding their families buying a bigger house in a better neighborhood to get their kid no Better School they dont identify with black lives matter rioting and breaking windows and talking about killing cops there and then a fight with that and they dont want to be associated with it thats why i think youre saying in some cases 90 percent black support for donald trump which is staggering and its devastating and a Democratic Party down in terms picking up hispanic voters because i go to the forums down here in south florida he speaks to hispanic voters not about racial identity politics but about how to build your business how to build wealth out of by a better piece of property those are the messages that resonate and thankfully the Democratic Party is still preaching racial identity politics using that monolithic strategy that all black forms are all hispanic voters need to be dependent on government to succeed well blacks and hispanics are lets say and no we dont its interesting Ronald Reagan of famous lee said is that latinos are not our natural republicans they just dont know it oks right you know you get well let me go back to you but i mean ok theres been too much agreement on this bridge. I do have to disagree with i dont if i heard of. You know i want to know why people dont vote ok i mean i have lived up i lived in communist the Eastern Europe in the 1980 s. And i know a lot of people that emigrated and bring them having the right to vote to make their own decision was so very important to them when they became citizens but the majority of voters in america potential voters dont vote why i think its over all its a system and you know since thats what and lets go back and let history jim crow gerrymandering all new things i was told to walk is over all so now you just have a whole entire history in families of saying why am i going to vote because my foots going to matter the other thing as well in a lot of other countries they have a National Holiday in order to be before you try being in a single mother like you know working on minimum wage and same to employ hey i need to go vote that means. Going to be youre going to be youre not going to have a job that i mean today and so one thing im like i believe really strong United States we do have to make voting a National Holiday as well and thing to do is we have to make voting more easier for people when the actually came out of it as well is that simple by mail