Conflict doesnt happen. In many reasons for optimism have its put it that way because its been going on on and off for almost 30 years and i know that back in the late 99 just land russia france and the United States got together to form the socalled mens group we sure were able share. Their view was that you werent going to solve it fairly quickly what was fuelling that often is not that time and why people are still dying in that war and that kind of off 20 to 20 years later though be good to explain that. Theres been a difficult its going. To be heard to resolve soon that in the middle east losing that in a user its those simply they present to the chances but what we saw in the ninetys and whats been missing lately and i hope can be a severance is. Willingness to develop a relationship between the you so its. Too late to ninetys. As a basically president head or a leader in russia the president who hired me near the river could syrian and actually started developing the route for the relates it didnt mean they liked one of the good they were able to gain sort of tristen one another in to explore real compromises salute as it happened earlier with senator lugar through as a volunteer presumably suit but that ambassador i think thats actually air one of the problems because in one of your articles you mentioned that almost every imaginable solution has been brought to the table that clearly if you know a way because one of the sides i mean it is that sat on preserving the status quo ad and the other side is every john finds it unacceptable what it be fair to say that this conflict perhaps has exhausted all the potential of being sold politically. So you do not believe. In him i would say the. Better with the rest should the United States interests is good cheers is actually were better than many people give it credit for the dialogue inserted between the diplomats has been amazingly so even when relations between some of the parties a because typically russian the United States has been strained in other areas the cooperation here is the waited until the make it is clear to anybody and thats youre going to do what youve got the mechanism for whats what keeping negotiations going sure that flat and ink the conflict how not to convince because i mean that i think there is an almost and universal recognition that it was a savage on who started this war and there with a lot of. Preparatory means i mean they put a lot of effort into the preparation that she had to actually blame them for right initiating this military action after all those years of essentially fruitless negotiations. It is it is a meteor and it will always respond relented so it has. Been inflicted making it even a secret out of that i mean they have not their own right at that territories recognized as there is on the international law. To ricky. The their position didnt end in the played and its taking place right now and may well that started in july there is missed 17 people died then and i think the tensions there are dated and after that so its been waiting for it incident along the line of conflict to reinitiate still he said after what id say it is possible that it were doing becomes. Were doesnt really fit in here is oprah hes a fault for hardening their positions in the leadership or media interest now as youre based on her follow through not turn it into their own people about the need trooper months the solution or western political solution to this problem will never be achieved by being in posed but a pressure of the United States or anyone who wants in those i read in as a writer you know is steve members so there has to be a direct dialogue between them that seriously looks at compromise when it had that theyve approached beast you know that having to be exposed to what if turkish news in my household and its not always clear whether it is. Or accurately thats leading the charge i wonder how does terry keyes evolve and shes got contrarian and easy to get anything out where 20 years ago or is it something qualitatively different. Its it says. The underlying problem has changed it was qualitatively different today it is a dramatic difference is the level of armaments does this but both sides in the position of turkey. You raised when i had worked on this is 2002001 they were approaching a solution turkey was a complete supporter of bringing about a peaceful resolution. Its theres still under president here is changed dramatically and in the last few weeks to see a willingness to almost encourage for the repression and i dont think that is the way. Its the result if you believe it and i really resident france have both said based on evidence of this new jersey facilitated with adversity or use it to their version from syria little arubans russia has played a role there it is also problematic but i do think the potential to be to try to work a kind of bruce is there it was about 3 days ago statements by the or even Prime Minister nicolas and the bowser be encouraged by ready to debate serious mutual compromises it was a ruse and well see how messy you mentioned the russian role in apt selling weapons to both kerry and abidjan and add want to stress that those atthis will say i said if it werent for russia selling weapons perhaps it would have been the United States or china doing that so it was you know weapon sales within legal bounds but im. More interested about the role of turkey here because at when you were working on this issue frank years ago. All the official mediators by russia france the United States they have some leverage some influence on the szell warring parties that anyone have a leverage with jack at this point of time and specifically the president are they on. Their potential for leverage is there i did not see that exercised its did simply its clear we the United States is predator put pressure interviewed a number of areas where. American express and. The reserve released. You brutes weve raised questions about our incentives to turn those surprisingly that is he said so are legal in the International Community teacher to russia so true. Just. So if we were going to jump should. Probably leverage to be sure but wed see the truth be willing to get it you risk your situation in syria libya. Situation with her book as well theres very little of it ambassador you have to take a very short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments. On. Nuclear become a battleground in the u. S. In vermont people are demanding the shut down of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous oh no clare power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country where is it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is or powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways our struggle on r. T. Welcome back to worlds apart behind us there kerry capital former chair. They always seem inscribed ambassador just to pick up where we left off before the break we were talking about their role of tricky i dont know if you with agree with this but i think president barack obama has been quite successful in playing have on the russian the animosity over the last couple of years. Developing relationship with both and using that as a bargaining chip and i wonder if. At least to some extent the conflict in that part of the part about hes acting on office average and he almost didnt add to it as ever to answer your charge or have is actually a result of both russia and nato feeding his ambition and sort of triangulating that new challenge in moscow its not the impression i get is this is driven his does are depleted brooder role is the number or regional areas into it and here its true Peace International resistor but a suit its not plating will. Be internet so im not sure he gave his signature a good reputation by the accidents. Of his reputation in the International Community after imprisoning like hundreds of thousands of he citizens and International Community being old a mum. I dont wouldnt say its been well not in their careers and. You know i think the International Community is going to be. Much harder than it s m i thankfully we will see that. This is that there will be discussions in the u. S. Congress about they said theyve already started to back them giving contacts. On capitol hill i think theres that inspiration being made what steps the congress to take action here i think weve seen the same thing religion him Prime Minister trudeau so its a people respond and you mentioned some of the matters that the u. S. Congress and canada and others could take and i almost wish they were as far away as you present them to be i mean what can possibly all those actors do to impress was mr aired on it is difficult in dealing with the authoritarian regimes to get them to act it would be hagar you know better do that does it serve to widely i think thats a problem here may be due to the United States person imprints working together uncover about who will help actually send a message to your field how unified the outside rule that is against these kinds of activities which spread the global stability internet so that every 6 out. Sounding like a conspiracy theorist at the end they said opinion here in russia that its france and the United States that actually like to take care of the quote unquote Airline Problem by using russia and old. News about that all those savvy imports about turkey supposedly or allegedly reportedly sending. That rebels or d ass fireworks as you know i separate. Could be interpreted as the United States sort of trying to. You know send russia secret that look you know heres a problem of terrorism in your backyard why dont you get involved and by doing that and in my both russia and turkey what do you think about this 8 year. Old have been spears it all everything that it was seen in the good and im retired so im not in washington now but every signal that no youre seeing it is one who are concerned about this development this news and i think you would find who are they are you know this is a route together then this center to it says survey this. Is were talking about her but. This is a significant confluence all of her who people who are of the lesson but its here that for really an answer both to have the Russian Federation the United States of america in the republic in france is there mediators this is no small feat these are 3 veto wielding permanent members of the spirit example its a lot of international it didnt prove this conflict because we recognize the dangers of birds its we would take steps that could exacerbate that if put at risk and can i ask you something about maybe count it in to get about the russian position because. You once said that russia console this problem on its own and i think there is a full realisation of that in moscow moreover there is a fact he get almost exactly a ration at having to deal with it and always being under appreciated mistrusted at hughes of setting out the side it sat or act as much as russia is unnerved by turkeys. Presence in the south caucasus dont you think that it can also be partially believe that this problem is no longer. Its exclusively biggest rebel due respect in france and the United States made it part of the mens group but the ad not really that their vital interest and not connected to solving this problem as much as russias interests are you know that is true and if that part of her engagement is consulates mediation i think that been in the earlier years just to to ensure that relations between the United States and russia in. Their thirtys were comfortable and looking at compromise knowing that both russia and the u. S. Were part of this so as so they kept her to help. Said leave the church has changed and it is a tentative dream. Also while youre on on all sides because of the but its intensity and i truly hope president everyone will look at this different its ceasefire to be a severance when under the bases of the discussions the foreign minister lavrov who be leading i meant that i think that will do if were literally to reduce again the risk to the United States and critics to head turkey back oakland is in hope has moved forward were with you again brister was basement room but also scary movie 2 are getting back to. You mentioned from mr levels talks about his i mean and counterpart platform thats monday and well i believe its both i think do the result of the discussion that took place in geneva or. Thursday is lead to agreement that the os are president for minister leaders well let me ask you specifically about their meeting in position because its their meeting and the. Insistence on preserving the status quo that ultimately led to the current flare up of why is this problem hasnt been told because i mean yes metaphorically stuck to their guns do you think it makes sense strategic sense for them to come to the negotiating table now and perhaps changed that position because that is one of the main i mean without supporting it i mean the hands that were there but i have a genuine as ever done if we have to recognize that that at this point of time the disputed territory still being recognised as the territory for example genesis there are many in school do not overlap the status for it to be changed is it rejigger earlier inroads is this and there already been a signal from the everybody in Prime Minister. Kirk in are be are prepared to look again is the head in the hands not recent as within the past its serious. I think to the communications on both circuits to their people their everything they were good at reason they were has never been real and. The position of answer but its not to say well of course they are being used to loop or should be comfortable being under ans or bones or with the word. Imagine that if youre living in sterling here today. Shows that missiles are raining down on the city has to be a meeting in the middle you know say weve seen the 1st group. Theyre prepared to go back to that kind of dialogue in the. Middle homily or i havent been involved in discussions. While hes been president but his father was prepared to look at concessions and i think if they does rather is revered as a wrestler and i think he could realize he could look at concessions that would really meant was are being in there with him because you bring about peace and he could use a strong leader it could. Related to support that you know well he may be a strong leader but i think hes here to share a very tactical act its here or mr. And both of them there have a need to save face and its a difficult to get Accurate Information about the situation on the ground that i think we can see this evidence slowly at but surely is gaining ground is it really in the interest of or is abidjan to stall right now i mean that sort of military strategy it with that suggests that they would push as much as they can. Again as my surgeries possible and then hopefully come to the negotiating table while now that position is strong i think myriad minutes in 2016 for better or worse the 4 day war showed that as a razor and good military seriously reading some territory but very small amount of territory to be very cost i think what we will see when a cease fire is a step was to move those settles that will happen as everybody who gains the small amount which are 3 at a very significant human cost the death and destruction on on all sides. My hope is hell realize to this can never be a solution to get all the things he has some new the level of destruction a little it will lose was a way it would be super nervous in the fact is it simply didnt out certain forces would become involved in this conflict president putin very clearly signaled that russia will it some point under its defense at a loser or me its the spec does not repair but but there is a line that you expressed your this leads it to in the series do you know also senator this is the fading considered they would need to be looking at is it really is or really is also a member president. Even president there who shouldnt or see him you do not want to come too close to that line now our ambassador i appreciate your dedication to distil think that one of the add dangerous if. Extensive negotiations and trying to raise the conflict is that it goes on indefinitely and as you pointed out in one of your articles that frozen conflict is a conflict in waiting to flat i mean its not the salt lake that i think. One of the sides to this dispute has. Misusing it go shooting at process that takes on advantage do you think it makes sense at this plant time to try to freeze this conflict once again for the sake of saving lives for the sake of waiting for a bad at opportune moment do you think. This should be solved right now or are there is still at evaluating the spawning dissolution and i think the nature of conflict that will be postponed a bit theres still sightings weeks of its almost impossible to bring parties to be haitian able mediately. To give fighting to sit down and have reasonable discussion students about the counterman is that what he does you can start setting up some framework for women how you will do that but its a get the result you seek that wont be immediate so i think what will be immediate and i hope well see this as surely is the internet is a response to the humanitarian rule this conflict is just in the last week and i think that me and will soon greater involvement by the United Nations is specialized agencies to deal with both the displaced people from the fighting are. Going to have contact and have been separate so i think we may see greater involvement there in straighter attention even if it were from the good offices framework of the secretary general to hang late International Concern about this situation and International Support to result well and asked to have to leave it there i really appreciate your time with us today and i apologize the time periods for the technical issues that he seemed to