speculation around the vice presidential debate in 48 hours time is the real loser progressive politics in the usa especially now biden said he didn't support a new green deal and claims a country infamous for imprisoning more per capita than stalin or mao has a policing system with a few bad apples not institutional racism today the trumpet ministration terminates the us 2020 census and one comedian activist who has fought for census reform and bernie sanders is a palestinian american comedian. thanks so much for coming on so even though we're looking forward to the v.p. debate i'm going to ask you what did you think of the great show of democracy in ohio last week where are your top politicians and in your country debated the issues of the day yeah i mean it wasn't very promising or exciting if you're an american who's interested in democracy i mean look it was chaotic and probably a lot of that. helps donald trump i mean that chaos is something that he looks forward to because talking about actual policies doesn't help him and biden didn't do a great job i think either i think the biggest sort of losers in this debate were progressives when biden says as a centrist who still is subject to a lot of criticism from the left when he says that donald trump sort of reassuring many americans that he said i am the democratic party that's not something that progressives like to hear the republican party has outperformed its popular support over the years because it's always appealed to its base and look for ways to expand right words and the democratic party hasn't looked at the how to expand the left the word instead it always focuses on the center and that's always very muddy and loses a lot of the council support from the left a lot of the commentators the pro-democrat commentators said biden did well by not losing arguably but on the progressive issues that you mentioned given that kamala harris has expressed support previously for the green new deal and the world has seen the pictures of the wildfires in the united states the climate crisis being arguably the existential threat to the earth how is she going to triangulate the position of not supporting the green new deal on wednesday well unfortunately the whole biden harris campaign and biden from the beginning and now paris since she's jumped on i mean let's not forget she supported the green new deal that she did and she supported medicare for all and then she didn't you know this whole campaign from the democrats has been predicated on appealing to this sort of middle of the road and i think sort of imaginary independent voter which you know has sort of reliably voted republican over the last few cycles why did obama win decisively twice because despite his shortcomings in actual policy he campaigned to the left he campaigned to progressivism and hope and change in these kinds of things. biden is not doing that at all biden is openly saying and harris now that she is joining him or openly saying look we're campaigning to the center these ideas that bernie sanders had i'm sure we're sort of giving them a little bit of lip service but we're not really going to do any of those things harris pence campaign will have less fireworks because it doesn't include donald trump but it's going to be substantially very similar this debate coming up with harris and pence might be even more disappointing to progresses because it will be a lot clearer what's happening we don't have the tapes we have from the d.n.c. from wiki leaks like we did in 2016 when it was exposed that they were sabotaging bernie sanders who you are sorry get off but surely there is electoral sense here the fact is biden has can take your vote for granted an old sod to support his vote for granted anyway yeah i mean that is the way they seem to be campaigning and i don't know why they didn't learn the lessons of 2016 or simply look at what the republicans of done over the years to over perform the way that you want to campaign is that you expand your base and expand the people that you appeal to what bernie sanders did successfully and as he brought in people who had not been involved in the electoral process before that's why he would be killing trump right now because he'd have traditional democratic voters and an expanded base of brand new voters what biden did very quickly is he constricted that progressive base told them look you're not really welcome here i'm not going to be with medicare for all i'm not going to be with a green new deal i'm not going to say that people shouldn't die simply because they can't afford their health care i'm going to stick to private health care i'm going to be very hawkish with israel i'm not going to talk clearly about palestinian rights all these things right he's going to appeal to the middle of that is a recipe for a loss and what they're saying to us is you have to vote for us no we don't you know no we don't i mean look i'm probably going to walk into a voting. booth in michigan in november and i'm probably going to vote for joe biden but i still have 2 more debates to watch and i still have to worry about my community and my community the arab american community which is very large here especially in michigan is not just going to blindly go along with biden cause it's not trump ok trump is terrible we don't really look at trump we don't look at the g.o.p. because they don't look at us but if the democrats are going to look at us as arab americans and as progressive as a voting bloc then they need to treat us with the respect that we deserve ok we didn't hear too much about foreign policy at that debate perhaps the next presidential debate we will what do you make of this man and to the blinken who was a top aide to biden when he voted for the iraq war i understand he's a top foreign policy adviser during this election campaign probably a seat at the table in the oval office should biden when he said the 2002 vote for the legal iraq war was a vote for tough diplomacy well he's still the top foreign policy advisor for the biden campaign he's if biden wins will probably be a national security advisor or something like that and yes he is hawkish there is a sort of cabal of neo liberal hawkish foreign policy people that are at the center of the biden foreign policy thinking and this is very dangerous especially for the arab world in the muslim world i mean say what you want to bow trump he has a lot of terrible things about him especially domestically but he's sort of like an isolationist when it comes to military action he has engaged in a lot of military action at least as far as american standards go in the last 4 years and especially in the arab world and so it's very fearful actually for a biden foreign policy and you have tony blinken who told arab american and palestinian communities this year that palestinians are to blame for our problems he told us that he repeated these lines of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity he told us. that one of the conditions of the biden campaign or the bite administration on palestinians will be happy to have to outwardly accept that israel is a jewish state these are nonstarters for palestinians not one word about occupation remember this is a campaign a foreign policy led by blinken and biden that refused to include the word occupation in the democratic party platform so where are we going to be left ok we're going to be left with that in ministration that doesn't completely shut us out like the trumpet ministration but in some ways is that worse when they let you in the door and say that they did and still don't do anything you want some people our community believe that it's better to stick remain oppositional on the outside that we can get more solidarity from other communities by being on the outside or remaining oppositional then playing a game with it in ministration that has 50 years of experience of protecting israel from any criticism in the world we need to criticize the biden platform now if he wins let him know that we were not taken for granted and that we need to be included clearly in the new administration and our objections need to be preserved if anyone wants to want your amazing video about arab americans they day should definitely if you want to just tell me about that specially on the census day but i think what i'm getting at here is we don't really know how many arab americans there are and if they don't vote for biden we know how small the swings were the broad trying to power could actually ironically arab americans be critical to electing bible in the 1st place yeah i mean we could you know were hundreds of thousands strong here in michigan and michigan could be the state that it all comes down to and it's not only michigan we have strong communities in florida which is a swing state and pennsylvania as well and so the question is look you want to get into a booth secretly and vote for biden that's fine but celebrating him and organizing for him is a major major. endorsement without getting anything in return yeah i might vote for biden but i'm not going to endorse him or organize form in fact quite the opposite i'm going to keep questioning him and criticizing him up until and after election day so he knows that we're not something to be taken for granted if he wins as arab americans we can swing this election maybe we did in 2016 when trump only won michigan by 10000 votes and i live in a neighborhood here and there dearborn michigan that has more than 10000 arabs just in this neighborhood so i mean they have to be very careful they cannot take us for granted and sometimes i'm worried about our own community because biden muttered in shala at the debate with trump and all of a sudden a lot of people went crazy oh my god he said a word in arabic what does that matter when he is telling palestinians that they don't deserve the same human rights as rallies when he is still saying that he wants to have strong relations with the saudi government when he is still you know praising these normalization deals with the u.a.e. and behind we have to be very careful not to accept crumbs you know aht i like homeless or saying and shahla is i think that's enough for you guys throwing right i mean of course the you alluded to it that the obama biden administration was brutal on the arab world i mean you look at libya today we have a refugee crisis in the mediterranean do you think in any way that biden would change his stance on being a zionist on the move of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem of reducing weapons sales to israel that are hitting gaza he's actually said on the record all sales of weapons to israel must never be conditional we have absolutely no evidence that biden is going to be open to palestinian concerns and we have to be very careful as palestinians and those who might show solidarity with palestinians not to let trump be the one who set the bar look trump is terrible trump is transactional he's pro zionist because he either doesn't know any. better or he thinks he's going to get evangelical votes in the south but biden is an actual zionist like he actually believes in these things from a geo political strategy point of view and that's very dangerous and so far he's told us that he might return things to they way they were under the obama administration you know restoring funding to on rwa open up a p.l.o. mission in d.c. but very very importantly without jerusalem he said very clearly he won't move the embassy back to tell of eve he won't even consider it he said very clearly before that if they're warning israel we'd have to invent one he said very clearly before i'm a zionist these are things that palestinians and american arabs in america and those who profess solidarity with the palestinian question here in america need to take very seriously and question very seriously and if you stay quiet during a campaign no matter how you end up voting but if you stay quiet during a campaign well that's approval of what he's doing and saying and it's not going to win you a meaningful seat at the table when things are done it's ok let me say the arabs around the world and arabs in america it's ok to say no to a politician every now and that it's ok to be oppositional you don't have to jump and scream when he says inshallah on t.v. you don't have to jump and scream when he says he's better than trump his policies are very very dangerous for us they've been very dangerous for us and we have to be very clear and critical about that thank you. thank you after the break from rampant environmental destruction to the staggering death toll of the u.s. war on drugs can collective acts help to heal collective trauma we are asking legendary holy men filmmaker. speak about his new film psycho magic and even though it's all the more coming up about going on the ground. there was a very nice show from president putin and i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said i'll take it and now it's time to. time don't travel thank you says very much for saying the. name whatever you want to name i mean i don't know how would i come that the news that's dishonest telling our combat a recorder or an network that's totally dishonest c.n.n. is says you know 100 percent negative i can read there's a change fast changes so fast sometimes i'll say that's going to be a great story be a pretty good report and others good as you. will see what happens. who knows what we'll see on the field will be success. welcome back in paul when we discuss the upcoming presidential election in the u.s. next month throughout the course of the campaign period many of question devised all of the candidates can do anything to change a world that appears to be rapidly heading towards destruction in the face of a rising coronavirus death toll a new cold war imminent environmental catastrophe and a political plus that appears to be in. rushed to change the status quo so if it's down to the people who can collect of acts of healing and resistance save humanity an issue explored in psycho magical healing art a new film by legendary surrealist filmmaker l. handwrote going on the ground deputy editor charlie cook spoke to him via skype from paris to discuss the film as well as a new 4 k. box set of his classic works out now doesn't really know as and that is you know i meant that it left people makes you. wonder thank you so much for joining us and going underground just start by telling me about your new film psycho magic healing on when. 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we need one to the others and we need to became more. and then we have the illness and then wish to have to change to say so sir some but i've eats. the do we will do it did that i want to address something you discuss in the film about social psycho magic on a on a on a knowledge of scale in the film you. mexicans expressing pain at the 70000 people who died in the drug war how out essential like a magic walk on a scale of that size and i started to the that the psycho magique. person to person for some g.s. no and then. we realized it is in with the thoughts. we are not a one where to collectivity and we need the and then i started to think i will feel a family if that the hill families. rip. them together and then they contain it if there are too many so they can make emailing groups work then the person feast debates on. well under it there's and then i have started to think well we need to make only t.v. cycle might be. a way and aim the photo the amazon was it was being quoted i'm better. i'm easy the old see enough of the planet i'm a zone you know that there's a lot says get it i make you my centric only you had my internet a 1000000 of papers on the active they say we cannot this thought the world we kind of started to shame the world but to seem pushy were the overlay that we got not the thought does that we can add to that we had plenty to eat anywhere or do we use funny you plenty if you nearly milk the planet we plant the stories we'll have more at all see and hear them as on us and the production we were just doing recently. it gives him a little bit of sun they planned this and this was so they could make it you know they these we have an electronic computer program to try to take some of the continent. a continent is optional. we feed the computer data on coming boys and revolutions. it tells us what kind of toys to produce to condition children from the. i did write off about the holy mountain because you said i read an interview said that when you're making that phone you're acting like a prophet and i just wanted to know where how you how it was sorry prescient and how that film got so many things right about the wild we now live in today make it straight. is thoughtful with human thrown him over it we'll see bundy cool the game is saying. she still thinks he's making this year the sequel but i can tell i was why don't i start by going to give you how to be happy. and then that in the holy month. of the kali delete they say to make it big show look not this ng many studies you know it became no stream but i they only seen they will said my since we had a earlier episode she said is she the truth sales sheet of the. book. what we will do it we will we want to know the secret of the human being we have a brain who is a mystery we live in a planet we all know what is in the day or 2 that were planted we had it we had it that was in the universe we all know one percent of the universe we are in europe and i mean the in the early in the monday and then one where the outcomes we will know how east the evening meet with since i know if. i were to sail. their limits of chemistry i mean but finite. sorted in techniques of i like them in. research and more we will be combined into uniques with picking up a lot what is well. worth big you know truth what is truth we are living in countries but this country is in evolution we go to their new countries from tears . their chain you know all the time where we're living where we're fighting why they're the political out i'd like them lift what is let's look at the lift they're the same quality to the broader me for the human being. it is illegal and of business no 'd like the political level a lesser like or the. 'd border thirty's who are making that seem it's only business we're we're electing this kind of prissy that you know the planet to to they then know that the stick and pencil they had then they had my danielle might they have meant they'd be on monday monday monday but human being kind of stalled. yes get the president to leave you got it if you also favor i don't know and i'm really is very difficult to they do realize in a way like they were he's coming but in this every moment we kind of started to stop that that we kind of started we can't deny and we can say without a feeling we're not feeling good. these really say show me who i am but the f.c.c. is the destroying no will what is that. like and i. don't want. to. i will only cover numbers you know to the truth the one where life numbers i would do what is the scene ima why the scene i might like the way the cinema is the only meaning to study that is not the need to study the cinema to give it only with the old. a necessity here recently we need that i will we need to let what authorities but we all need to know what it did his. way the who had a chilling the the soul and the people he was the pencil is not policy will police he's not both evil these are what they sing yeah you did it to sing that me who i felt one of the though the 91 i am i not a place i don't. they we see the sick they see all month they can they see out of the east but these crazy as this out of this understood in this lonely life i am not that lone i am not the only and if i me i am not the only in it county i haven't even not in the planets because a week i'm rico a week on because i'm so full so nice they're coming on so close a week and the sun. thank you so much for your time. thank you to you film director of see this weekend to going underground deputy editor charlie cook in psycho magic healing on his streaming now to the show where we've got the winds into a lens of scribed going underground on you tube so you don't miss an interview and join the underground by following up on twitter facebook instagram. i'm max kaiser one more of my guide to financial survival this is fun it's a device used by professional scallywags to earn money. that's right these hedge funds are simply not accountable and we're just getting more and more to that. totally destabilize the global economy you need to protect yourself and get in for kaiser. mania and azerbaijan edge closer to all out war it's that conflict going to go and i kind of back and just a 2nd week we report from inside the disputed caucuses territory scenes like this one on his back in fact this tiny village alone was said by 6 massive is one of them landed and this is all the devastation that it has left. tensions boil over in israel as anti-government demonstrators defied new coronavirus restrictions banning mass gatherings. and empower is a major spike in daily code infections that.

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