5 the free medical experts all mention sustainability and Climate Change and population as a major fight and these are measuring viruses and they were the a number of people who were reflecting the perhaps a growing public skepticism about some of the official messages on covert and when some of them for example said i was really hoping that someone would be questioning the narrative being peddled out daily by the government in the Mainstream Media and perhaps interview the many doctors and scientists who are speaking to a different story and wilma says my question is why is the u. K. Government saying the National Health service is coping yet hospital and Doctor Services are all restricted so hospitals of theyre not coping and maybe a dollar a reference a suspect to the. I mean see some of the 1000000. 00 says theres never been a safe vaccine and something not tested is dangerous when you dont know what the side. The facts are and they only it says hi alec can you ask them why the survival rates arent being broadly advertised 99. 6 percent survival rate would be good to know your thoughts and jake. Can you ask if this cold and flu will kill more people than traditional influenza over the next decade and this the public hysteria justify the governments actions but then of course other people see a so i mean does the will Great Questions and form a divine insoles and leslie on says having lost an auntie to cope at 19 it breaks my heart to see people refusing to believe its real and that of course in the week we have a little deaf to top 1000000 people and lesley Sylvia Taylor says brochure this week that they can still be us from scotland really insightful with clear explanations of covert 19 the ongoing situation and i was hard working experts uprooting the time and great effort into finding all the virus and how to protect the general population from its very damaging effects and no back to me in a few commentators have analyzed the menu 1st on the left and right to british politics is more authority than professor Richard Murphy and peter would like then i discuss with alex where stands the author my finance department with the economy heading towards the twin cliff of course theyd break for. The joining me to talk about the problems on the right and the left of british politics and this autumn sation the parliament of good people and professor richard muffy welcome guys to the. Thank you very much i wish it to be our particular time to you 1st the governors cover joy defeated less than a year since bottlers triumphantly road to victory in the general election but no this autumn the implausible boffin coronavirus and indeed who breaks out again how could not possibly be him it is amazing given the strength of the Prime Ministers position as recently as last december when he won this case the majority the biggest majority which the conservatives have had since may the cashier was leader then certainly the least gross on the tory benches as growing government unpopularity over the weekend we had this major moment when shish dumbell went ahead of Boris Johnson in the polls and what i would say is for conservative leaders conservative Prime Ministers history shows that again and again a big 6 apparently secure majority is not secure the fact is that the conservative party is completely ruthless if the side that johnson has the go johnson will go you wont see him for dust. President ial mafia this is a remarkable thought if you are the conservative leader if you are a minister bothers johnson would you be more what it about the role of fault and coronavirus led by a man mr brady or would you be more worried about the european issues still unresolved in terms of the the u. K. Single market which one of these subjects would be the most rewarding for you oh i dont think of any doubt about that it would be the internal market bill by the coronavirus one is problematic but because the government is true to itself so able to u. Turn so frequently on coronavirus that frankly none of us know where they are i think they would do that again and again and keep people satisfied the internal market bill is much more fundamental for many tories this is almost that sustained the rule of law is fundamental to being tory so many conservative m. P. s are lawyers we know that the bar council is now raising questions about whether our attorney general can in fact the chair of the bar which by tradition the attorney general always is there are literally proceedings against tory m. P. s for professional misconduct for the team for this bill it is challenging therefore what is to be a conservative and actually this comes back almost to literally the question of being a tory under difference between being a truck and a conservative and literally this is irish history a little bit of which i know tory is an irish word it means the brigand the pursuit and this is really want johnson is turning the tory party into over the issue of the internal market bill and i believe that that is the fundamental conflict with what the conservative elements of the conservative party is wanting to do and its that conflict within the tories themselves that hes now becoming apparent for all to see and which is straining the party itself to its limits and i believe thats why its the real threat to johnson people of fear people know more about tories and tory years of them than you do is a theorem our system much of marfan. Richard murphy is 100 percent correct in his analysis that conservatism has the roots of deep embedded respect for the rule of law but i think its politically wrong politically whats going to hurt the tories most of all johnson tenshi get rid of Boris Johnson if hes seen to have grossly mishandled coronavirus for the 2nd time remember we know that he mishandled he missed the 1st funny cobra meetings when it was starting in the sit in the in the late winter now if he goes wrong again votes is all of them suffered from coronavirus directly or indirectly its deeply impacted that lives if mr johnson a sin has been incompetent to handle this it will hit him this early in the polls it will count for more than what i completely agree about the point about conservative party being about the rule. But what is it that is behind the graham Brady Parliament type of vault i mean its a big section of the Parliamentary Conservative Party who really want to see the virus let rip to take on the channel as the as the Prime Minister once said it is it is that that all is are just holding up the rights of parliament against and over money to government to want to legislate with the approval i think there is National Best mr johnson was still a columnist of the daily telegraph. We would be wise enough columns about the liberal about the state of the current the state of the liberty of the individual of the observer the safety of the government position in government of course mr johnson has to take into account all kinds of other considerations so i think actually its part of johnsons own personality festing itself on the brits its hearing wing of the conservative but benches there is a and i think this is going to be a really major issue from from now on it Richard Murphy a bit the labor party at the end up there have they really got a different policy on covert 19 from the government are they just can a net picking where things go wrong who knows i mean genuinely who doesnt really know at the moment labor is playing a very very safe game indeed and i know that there are plenty of people who are frustrated by that. A so long as labor thinks that its showing up johnson every week at the dispatch box and steer clear stammers undoubtedly doing that and i dont think Boris Johnson has won one of their exchanges then hes keeping his Parliamentary Party happy he knows he is a young 18 the left and hes living with that with regard to the economy and coronavirus only needs to do is say you should have done track and trace better and there isnt a person in the u. K. Who i suspect disagrees with them and. They should have a better policy on furlough and job replacement schemes and i again doubt that there are many people disagree with them and they face score the necessary points that they want do they have a policy well their defenses were not in government its not in a job at the moment to have an alternative policy i doubt that i think they should have a policy but thats what labors doing is playing it incredibly safe with a new leader who simply not trying to take risks so its a difficult position for labor to be in but theyre playing that card and on europe Richard Murphy i mean isnt psaki a star of the past and told gentlemen carbon that it should be far more pro european and take a more assaf to pro european life no he is a leader he under did the liberal democrat seem to of this after the field in europe just while 5 former Prime Ministers of queuing up to denounce the governments policy im staggered that in fact in june he did not take some initiatives for to kill a with regard to Northern Ireland practical and point out that frankly it could not be delivered in the way that was then go to happen he could have stood up and said unless there are guarantees were going to oppose this position on 30th june which was the last 8 when he could really be affectively and he didnt do anything and i think that was a mistake on his part because there was a line in the sand be drawn and to say there is a reason for opposition on this issue this time because there are Better Things to do he hasnt shown himself to be a leader on that issue and im disappointed. I do think hes walked away he simply playing to the red will vote at the moment and you can say politically that might be a wise thing to do pretty doesnt position him well for a future pharmacy policy position can you explain that be the robot why the the opposition parties the liberal democrat the labor party have fled the field embrace certain just when the government is hitting a wall. Its pure politics again i find myself agreeing with Richard Murphy entirely of the missed opportunity particularly on the but also on every other issue bashir hes old vs the cash dharma is playing a. Game he sees in he thinks that ive got a 4 years to let the government make a greater and greater mess of things hes going from really isnt it napoleon said never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake its incredibly cautious hes the train as Richard Murphy says a lot of things he believes in but he is and hand with his eyes set firmly on dunnings bitterly and you think we use socially distance conferences are going to cut charred after kill stammers or is speech which i assume to be a bulk of the up to the Labor Party Headquarters as far as i could make things going to cut short or were going to get back into the the old stale when times are a more normal where all the m. P. s are there and they go to the bus you will remember how intimidating which they use the muscle of the party to visit often visit lee but certainly mentally intimidate and talk show rebels with the win that were so many m. P. s back in that could sit says that unless the easiest suit so intimidating the 2nd thing is that his stomach as it is a very good in surrogates or in the commons is great lift helped by the fact he isnt got hasnt got 350 dorie dots or is on the benches they got in he can its more like a courtroom for him now which is a very familiar atmosphere so kish sharma to see. Join us after the break were off to act special time to soak your style most prospects as leader of the labor party could he really be the next Prime Minister im a look at detail at the challenges from scotland and ireland to the johnson Government Join the said. It was a very nice offer from president putin and i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said ill take it and now its time to introduce my. Mr dont travel thank you says very much was the. Name whatever you want to name i mean i dont know how would i come that news thats dishonest telecom data recorder network thats totally dishonest c. N. N. Is you know 100 percent negative i care to. Change faster changes so sometimes ill say thats going to be a great story be a pretty good report another as good as you. Will see what happens. I always say who knows what well see on the field it will be a success. First president ial debate exhibited lots of like not much one can argue neither candidate last night there was a perfect reflection of the nations politics but the campaign coming to an end to the debates have any meaningful impact is there such a thing as an undecided voter. Welcome back alex is in conversation with top commentators peter oborne im professor Richard Murphy about the often session of the Westminster Parliament where that discussion night turns to the labor party and. President ial muffy appear stammers know ahead in one opinion poll at least for the 1st time since the election well that sought quite than any such a doubt among the labor party about his quiet softly softly style i doubt it. The labor party is an obese and its made up of many parts but the real question which im hearing from people who im talking to and i make sure i do is why we only ahead in one opinion poll at this stage given the disasters that are going on inside the conservative party given what has happened in the economy whats going to happen with regard to jobs what is happening with regards to coronavirus surely they should be ahead by a massive margin thats what to do if they are going to win power and its taken labor a long time to get close to being even nearly ahead now you can say they pulled back 25 plus percent from where they were in april and of course thats good news but im not sure that just being ahead at this moment is good enough peter oborne youve been quite a my of a of secure stammers style of leadership thus far do you think it is enough to think less softly softly catch a monkey approaches a enough were living through the Biggest National crisis since the 1930 s. Now in those circumstances to have a man of johnsons style of politics sooner jokey fun celebrity politics i wonder whether he is as we move into a very dark periods in not just british history person global history whether that is the style of leader which people again or want the question is what will in due course what may replace it were going to see an interesting replacement probably in the United States transferred by letter that leads a sort of great swaggering alpha male replaced by rather an adult. No are we going to Say Something similar here now is that maybe the change will come from within the conservative party but its matters are as great as i believe they are how i did they dont rule out i dont say hi i know what will happen i do not rule out the emerging possibility virtualization governments and Prime Minister sharma before before the next general election is to Richard Murphy. Focusing there on the tanking economy and one of the patent offices of the come pulls us as the economy huttle still wards the cliff edge as a result of the the call that lot only impact on the World Economy the chancellor of the exchequer says political start seems to be rising so how do you explain the tanking economy a bill arising prospects for the chance of its jeffy. I think the chancellors fortunes are at their absolute peak at the moment to be honest alex and theyre going to be tanking pretty darn soon he has failed dismally to replace the furler scheme fella scheme was inspired and it worked it provided confidence when confidence was necessary and the cost of whatever it was 40. 00 odd 1000000000 was insignificant in comparison to the alternatives that might have risen so of course his stock rose the one with the eat out to help out scheme even though it now appears to be disastrous with regard to the spread of coronavirus but so far that has not hit him but wait until the end of october when the new job replacement scheme replaces the furlough scheme wait until early 2021 when companies are beginning to have to pay that back taxes which is not safe are being paid when they have to begin to pay their rents which of not being a mortgage deferment holidays begin to end and cash flow crises are going to emerge right across the economy wait until there are people literally by the millions and id be by the 1000000 becoming unemployed because that is inevitable and most people are seriously underestimating how many 1000000 that is i think were talking at least 5000000 unemployed i cannot see otherwise with this new drug attention scheme because it is effectively an unemployment creation scheme it has a curse incentive within it to encourage employers to make people redundant which could not be worse designed if you tried and at that moment is richie soon going to appear to be the guy whos going to save us all from problems no hes going to look like George Osborne did when George Osborne excused a range of measures in the budget after budget which only went wrong even from the pasty tax to the caravan tax to all sorts of other things that time and again had to be reformed because that he had made mistakes and i believe hes going to look like a really troublesome chancellor whos failed to understand the scale of the problem hes facing and austerity which is his subtext is. The last thing that people in this country want so peter over is that our era of unreality about the severity of the economic output very much so im afraid alex im reminded of the i used the whats the malaki leap lutetia road runner cartoons you remember when road runner would be chasing or be chased in the hurdles o