A brand new preface and he joins me now from Los Angeles Mike welcome to going on the ground youve been on well i understand just take us through how you came to write to the new preface as the full horror of the pandemic became apparent the book you original book was. Published right out to the operation in 2003 i think i wrote it in 2005 this is avian flu and at the time it looked like who was in a way faced with a pandemic flu that this disastrous is the 1980 spanish flu it was warning about the emergence. Of the i am told aged 5 n one. Which had an extraordinary high rate but since the book was written several newer high it is of influence a equally steadily. And troubling have arisen in on a very limited scale infected humans the threat of an influenza pandemic. Is deadly is 189900 remains absolutely a minute and zooming as samin discussed during a pandemic is the. Importance of developing a universal flu vaccine their attacks the in very in their area parts of the service in of influenza and could give a sim unity from every poor even in influenza his we should realize that this is not a pandemic its the beginning of an age of pandemics. That researchers in china face at the institute. Thats come under attack from president truman. Have done a service in research and discovered a reservoir of the more than 350. 00 per pervert 500. 00 varieties of viruses all with the potential to china to mammal other mammals and eventually humans. In china you know whose knees was the largest food merrills in the world. Fly their bats 1500 species about 200 is species have they have been surveyed to some extent or another so theres a whole universe of trona viruses there has well as many other kinds of viruses that. Are part of the natural reservoir and it is Corporate Law again an expansion of clear cut in and agriculture breakdown of barriers between a sunni. Animals of the rain forests around the world as we destroy israel floors were ever increasing the possibility of transmission of viruses and the possibility of new pandemics and you kind of imply that theres no cover up when no one else was conceived as concerned as you were the information you say was out there similarly when hoping told now we live in the age of coronaviruses plural because why because theres no cover up but theres a structural well one of the things the troubled ministration did and in this country the attack on. Research on potentially pandemic diseases and in general one Public Health started the day or 2 is not your asian is he defunded. In american sponsored program there was an Early Warning system through the emergence of novel lyra says in diseases in china and in southeast asia. He also of course wired the earth team on the National Security council that obama had created in the aftermath of the. The blow of deadly ebola happy demick in. West africa. To deal with a pandemic which it was universally agree. Was in the needs threat the United States and other countries i mean the warnings about this since. The beginning of the millennium have been constant the planning. Has been kind of there are reports that have been dance into it but its suddenly United States it seemed your country and. Most countries of western europe are always blaming came to not resolved we. Ignored and now in my country. President tried has who he says are all on which is a medical spokesman same scott apple as hes a parks news commentator who exactly parrots the line that the tribe in ministration expresses that a mass probably useless schoolchildren dont transmit the earth and to make the testing should be limited to only people in critically endangered groups trump obvious he says things that he says off of the United States doing better and he certainly is doing better than that the United Kingdom on deaths per capita well in the case of britain i mean i think. It is now obvious that a deliberate strategy of herd immunity. Was followed that the johnson government. Deliberately decided to minimize damage to. The economy by letting the disease essentially spread and the catastrophic failure of the u. K. Government. To come immediately to the aid of people in senior homes and. Nursing moms nyquist same thing as news sweden which explicitly. Ducted herd immunity and behind this there is a kind of. Would i would consider an ominous new nazi cancer germs or were told lies unworthy of lives and the whole idea that some part of the population is sacrifice that will prove the greater good of the economy through credit diabolical their well obviously we invited the swedish ambassador. To london at all on the Program Sweden did say that they had made some mistakes so that it has any nazi activity and as far as johnson they moved away from her the minute he and theres presumably going to be a Public Inquiry here as to what exactly british policy was but more systemically since you mention the economy rather than just talk about the preventative elements now we have that pandemic. Is. We to expect pandemics because of capitalism weve now seen. How rapidly the virus can be transmitted around the world but the point is that this resides a very old debate about Global Health and one side of it was focusing on who is represented for instance the 19 twenties and thirties by the Rockefeller Foundation which was the largest financier of disease prevention of the global scale and within the British Empire and the rockefeller paradigm was not areaway campaign sargon as pacific at the german or as civic bacteria that the passage of the nearest side repeating where every kid is something whole social medicine which said that attacking the pathogen alone without attacking the poverty of the population the lack of primary care would always be a put side of the whole and this is could not be more true than. Today we see around the world and not only in court the teens whose public help pages. Have been ravaged to realign its generation but in the United States and United Kingdom were health care and Public Health authorities. Separate back their pure attempt particularly out to the 2008. Economic crisis since visible and most here in trains east asia. Has been an exception. Just some except for is your is reasons but in the atlantic not always. Will now see the price paid by conservative fiscal policies in a new liberal economics so you really think that its comparable thing in fact that of the 1918 spanish flu famously. Spread through the trenches its comparable to post 2008 infrastructural incapacitation after the bank bailout well 1918 example in ologies series hansen way but in 189090 new jersey people new world died of insolence and more than 20 orian died in india and in western india theres a result the food elite grain pick term and other policies that exported massive amounts. In ingrained just feed the indian armies in the field through war. It was dissociated so food prices rose. And india the same time there was a drought and bad cholera epidemic soup had this huge population. Who are people with compromised immune systems and i am bargain that in fact today we have to recognize its immunological standpoint well nearly to humanitys in new u. K. The United States maybe a 5th of the art below should. Is immunologically compromised its not just because cancers and diseases but also because of malnutrition coexists seen sections like hiv but in poor countries in Subsaharan Africa and south asia and many parts of merican. The majority of the population is 75 percent. Is in this position be kinda ripped through. And demi i should say and then they un special rapporteur who talked about increasing malnutrition after 28. 00 in britain he said it was a political decision the British Government denied that completely michael stopping that more from mike davis after this break. Roger to match has a right as a model the. Putting father to arrowhead and. This is what happens to pageants in britain dont you watch has a report. Welcome back im fair here with the american scholar who forecast a global zoonotic lee transmitted pandemic more than a decade and a half before coronavirus mike davis you say that in the United States where more people are being killed than any other that the nation with the most deaths you believe the john bolton trumps and that former National Security adviser is key to understanding why pandemic planning went so badly well bullmoose decision was to reorganize endemic preparedness to florida the crack team that obama had put in ways he wanted everything focused on bio warfare but the larger phenomenon. Is trumps absolute obsession with destroying and dismantling their everything that. The previous president who didnt. Put in place remember this regime into power down going to destroy the fordable care or obamacare in his trance we tried to do things like ted the budget the centers for Disease Control. If you look at this internationally you see that the lead agencies traditionally lead agencies in disease have been marginalized and the view issue is not a totally marginal who or this center for Disease Control in the United States has had a totally the marginal role in the European Union where there exists a protocol. For countries to cooperate in responding to transnational disease or soon as totally new or to expose the trouble ministration would say about the cat had many critics left and right and that has many critics as well. Of of course but the fundamental problem here with the 2 of you is sure is structural this financial country started pay their dues their w. H. O. Has become totally dependent. On aid coming from a handful of governments and from their former serial and history and from a few philanthropy well lets just go to the Big Pharmaceutical Companies because in this book you do talk about the role of private Health Insurance and Big Pharmaceutical Companies as being maligned actors i mean this pandemic was that well the big pharmaceutical industries. Which are always represented as being a main saved towards earth to disease the heroic innovators to earth new vaccines in the end drugs they become anything but there in the case United States and through 950. 00 s. The leading force the development of antibiotics for instance was actually armed forces the u. S. Army there is an important state rule in other words in the development of new pharmaceutical treatments put under big pharma. The the profits are made in developing heart medicines or serious fruit erectile disfunction and old men like like me not in developing a new generation of out of batteries and above all not in an eye virals in vaccines which we have to develop may only be used to. Once so big pharma his coat back massively on on research and spends far more on average tyson and it just doesnt take any leadership in developing. Drug abuse and bank c. D. s that are not highly profitable but absolutely necessary for societies or home as you know they do deny that they say theyre doing their best theyre involved in a new Super National initiative against coronavirus just very briefly i did mention private Health Insurance you see that is symbiotic with us in october of last year. The council of economic advisers issued a report on oswald and demi. It is already seen as is imminent in it they point out and advise the president that big pharma will be incapable of meeting. The challenge of a pandemic prove precisely the absence of a strong profit motive in developing a nano by rules and in back scenes this is would every big pharma says essentially bit of knowledge by by the government a new course might in egypt. Critics of big Pharma Private health care a court is its lead to new reasons of americans tens of millions of Americans Without Health Care and that number is dramatically increased to poor is as people have lost their jobs enjoyed base. Health insurance and i think this Sanders Campaign really send to skinny was absolutely correct to put. Universal health care ridge at the forefront of the campaign and then is actually massive support of you may think its a minority position. Which if youre on the news but survey out the survey shows that a to 70 percent of americans just want some form of single payer. Health care which of course it was or course by rejected he wanted but in the book you also talk about the c. D. C. Is this not just all private bad they have public the c. D. C. With such a reputation around the world for Disease Control in the United States and around the world they rejected the w h o developed covert testing kit that shocked you. Yeah it is it is shocking they also had another alternative which was the other test kit consists of sensually 3 separate ters and they could eliminated the flawed 3rd tears and so had a viable so why would they have done the. Well thats a very interesting question they were defending true the problem with the chairs was it was actually contamination in their own production lines in georgia the c. D. C. Totally. Loses and losing through 4 weeks of testing allowed the disease to grow exponentially so and marge who started off with a handful of untested cases by the end of march it was increasing exponentially or over. There were several 100000. 00 cases of its continued to urge to grow hair in that the c. D. C. Is obviously we invite them on and there they say theyre doing everything by the board who also actually talk about the same thing happening with the immunity test i understand but the p. P. A. Catastrophe you blame Jared Kushner and Vice President pat. Yes. And in many others earn including. Tony fauci who has proved liberal americans in fact are majority americans because the the good doctor on this part talking in a truthful honest but now see back earth at the end of syria was showing people absolutely no need so where were mass in the lead medieval samus because. Of the drastic shortage of protective years through hospital were decisions in nurses but the point is he lied to the American Public and this initial blue City Campaign to discourage people from going out and trying to buy only mass is said to her alone lansing in very bitter effect well thought out to fatty obviously a hero to liberal media played by brad pitt in saturday night live with the deny anything he did was against clinical procedure and best interests of the American People what do you make of the fact they dont no one seems to really be talking about Something Like factory farming we had dr rob wallace he was telling us about the relationship between factory farming and coronavirus why do you think thats just not the subject of debate when it comes to coronavirus in Public Discourse in nato nations. That of course is in part made in the largest or the the problem with the Democratic Party and the app measures it takes around issues of Public Health in the origination of epidemic. Diseases because instead the endemic threat can be kind of triangulated 2. 00 to 3. 00 things one is factory farm and your bill is asian super reproduce asian of animals that maximizes. The probability of a viral evolution and transmission the 2nd is the old still destruction of the natural or its there who traditionally isolated us from these enormous birol rizza pores. In wild animal populations but the 3rd part and the most important has been the constant reduction of public in basic elp budgets. Across the world i mean many african countries only have a beer or some once of Public Service some why sierra leone not at all which is why it will spread so rapidly a few years ago the in in western africa so each each point on their trying will have to see each side has to be. Addressed and into we see that in reinvesting in basic healthcare. Its the absolute. A purty. Were going to see. Future appeared to mix. In a sense repeated vaccines are not the solution a weapon the solution how so lie on each of these 3 points of insertion lies to a ripple through the destruction truck wars in this investment in basic you know just very briefly america since you are speaking to us from los angeles and here are the greatest chronicler of its history i better ask you even though tens of thousands upon tens of thousands are being killed in your country by covert what you are made of in this incarnation of the civil rights struggle of black lives matter protests raging across the United States look after their release and use insession to joe biden. Tens of thousands of young activist ideal this earth were basically lurked in the desert the. Told the bully all you should do is going out there any people militant boat and this rebellious generations since was saved by clients matter. And. Its been a. Movement i cant really think of it there are in terms of its Rapid Development who could have we let the question basic fundamental well question ans. About easing in the need to please a. Would have been put on International Agenda if you know to look for those who are seen on onc