Afternoon d Late Afternoon or early evening you dont have any more like to shoot or you have to go to artificial light which is no good for me so im always running to get there west lets say its 4 oclock 6 oclock in the afternoon in the latest fall in i have 3 shots i want to get to finish the scene if i dont get them i cant i have to rethink the scene quickly it puts me under maximum pressure the kind of movies i mean there sure were low budget most of them were pretty tight on the budgets always so i didnt have a lot of days to asked it was the opposite of Stanley Kubrick if you want you mentioned life and death because in this book its very apparent that after painting this amazing the romantic picture of your parents and their meeting in the shadow of world war 2. You literally seem to be almost suicidal in your own has. For it too far to say for death of the me rejected for an all to enlist i explained that in detail it was very painful for me i havent i have lived a magical life for 15 years in new york and in france my mother was french my father was a soldier colonel in world war 2 in marriage it was a beautiful but here they never belonged together they were im the product of that its a contradictory relationship between 2 people that has haunted my whole life and by writing the book i understood myself better has been torn between these 2 and im the child of that divorce and i try to write about what a child of divorce is like he sees the world in a different way he sees the world as a lie i mean what people are saying about themselves is often a lie as we know from governments as well so i grew into a. Young man who was very troubled and you have to admit adolescents are not in those days were not they didnt give them space we were not considered full at all so i dont think it was attention was paid to the to the problems of adolescence they continue to this day in america we have a record suicide rate for young people of 1920. Record and many countries i gather that this is a growing problem because theres a lack of Spiritual Life thats what took me to this place of fatalism and i said i want to go to war i want to see what its like at the bottom i dont want any favors and if the gods my destiny were intended for me to take me they would take me i would test myself against them and i did i didnt complain when i was there i got wounded twice i mean i did a lot of fighting i saw a lot of combat. When i brought it on myself i wasnt whining about it i felt like i was lucky i survived and if you saw platoon in europe or the end of it i found a meaning to my life in that war which is to say i really go on and teach what i know to others good teach goodness and teach experience teach the good things of life that i can garner that i can to know and thats what ive done to the best of my ability one thing ive done which makes me very proud and its really i documented the war before you people knew argue about vietnam through other sources and when it came to films and pictures it was a pain of the american saying in the in the deer hunter but you do say that he killed people in vietnam maybe stuff rape of demis girls but you came back knowing the lie i just want to skip a lot on a bed to midnight express because the Prison Industrial Complex is something we talk a lot about here im going underground fact we say often that the United States imprisons per capita more people than stalin or mao why was midnight express not just about what happens in turkey if if mr and what happens to be watching to try to make that point unsuccessfully at the turn but when i wrote midnight express years later this was in 1970. I come back from vietnam in 68 late 68 i had been thrown in jail myself for federal smuggling in San Diego California and right after i came out of vietnam i was carrying no some marijuana from from vietnam because it was good and i was smoking it on a regular basis i learned about that over there. And i was busted with it and thrown it into federal slowly charged very serious but increase and i was with 5000 young people blacks spanish hispanic americans and a few white people mostly old drug crimes nonviolent but they were being severely dealt with at that time it was the beginning the very beginning of the war on drugs nixon had just been elected he ended cleared that war yet but he was about to so we were the 1st wave that and i could see the in the injustice of it these these kids most of them were coming from rough lives they didnt want to go to vietnam you know they they were boarded at the best of their ability but many of them were drafted they made it they were trying to make extra money on the side and that was the way to do it there was a system that i saw in america which and of course i was lucky because my father got me out of jail with the with with money there was there was class there because yeah you came from a relatively wealthy new family men your. Speech at the Golden Globes which a recount here which alas i guess is not on video. Some people may dont know that the amazing speech by tony montana in scarface where he talks about the corruption of society it was partly inspired by your own speech on the Golden Globes with chair of the film people he liked said no you call her that if i can talk like that my anger changed from there because i thought hollywood was hypocritical about. She at that time in the 1970 s. There was a lot of cop shows police shows on the air they were very popular successful and they were very simplistic the drugs were bad cops were good people were going to jail and i was protesting announces them and they were a lot of those producers were in the room they were making money off this American Television has prospered on the idea of fun foresight years about the media about criminals and differences it resulted ultimately in the Clinton White house and the crime bill thats put 2000000 people behind bars most of them not most of them but a significant amount or a black man Joe Joe Biden of course joe biden being the leading democratic contender for president proud perhaps of his mass incarceration record joe biden goes along with it with the crowd he is thinking is not original in this regard. Even bill clinton did so i mean and Hillary Clinton they created a lot of his problems but thats another story but my anger was based on the hypocrisy and tony montana suggested that you know drugs in america has the biggest appetite for drugs you know what because i think where theres a spiritual. Spiritual shallowness about america creates that need for drugs on film i felt victim to it too and not to be hypocrites and it was. Definitely i i had my problems with it my ups and downs with it including cocaine and after midnight express and winning the oscar i made to him which i think is an interesting film to watch its with Michael Caine who was excellent in the film but it didnt succeed the box office said i was. To be shamed by the general into failing to money period there thats it says its all about scarface and itll be longer because i dont know whether theres any truth in it that some prints of it that are released dont have the female castro bit at the beginning and some people try to appropriate it you talk a bit about how well again you nearly lost your life in research for or for scarface but how in allowed you in a way to do salvador because some people saw it as a you as a person who understood violence and others especially in miami saw you as an apologist for female castro because it was a film about the impossibility of the American Dream arguably. Yes. Yes scarface was a was a take a satire almost on the american materialism that was prevalent at the time tony montana comes to this country and he is a free man you know thats the way hes a gangster but hes a free man and for that reason i think he was a admired and appreciated by a certain class of people are we not when the film 1st came out the white or it was either your beat or whatever you want to call it did not like that you are not reviewing well the crowd that came in new york city where i was there were black puerto rican latino and white drug or white druggies id say you know that was the initial audience for the show it only grew through time. Because its the dialogue stood out because now 2 cheaters performance stood out and that and Brian De Palma made a really wonderful film grander like a grand opera you were saying you know no i couldnt get off the route that i was in love with violence that i and i argued back in the book you know that i was exploiting violence in midnight express and in scarface and this and that kind of the bar or conan the barbarian era the dragon i understand and i write about that i wouldnt i didnt direct the films but i really put on paper real violence in my head i mean i have seen a lot of violence in that time in getting and another merchant marine 2 and i was trying to and in the prison i tried to reflect the real life that i saw i just couldnt as they were there were scenes and you mentioned i mean for those in the know that tell you a assassination in washington d. C. Of the high end as ambassador in washington some are smuggled in to scarface how is it that i wouldnt have any way a person voted reagan would you dead didnt know what was going on in Central America and then end up creating salvador argue me one of the greatest films about u. S. Intervention in the western hemisphere. When i research star thing in 1903 i did not i did not go i did not know Central America because it the connection was from colombia to miami so it was not about politics for me at that point i did throw in because i had a political bone in my body the end a murder from 76 the chilean. Ambassador it was a very outspoken critic of the of the regime in chile which was fascist eat was boned and killed in a car 3 blocks from the white house or something it was outrageous so in my mind i made i combine that with tony much and it being the it was supposed to kill him but doesnt kill him because tony has a conscience in the end about family and so it becomes an involved story the message didnt get out and it wasnt understood so what im saying is when i did i dropped out of the business essentially after 980 i was you know i was dead no water i was just a screenwriter living in a broader in new york so i wanted to get a make a movie and in one necessary deal with hollywood i wanted to write make this movie salvador and it was based on now i had gone to salvador with Richard Boyle who was a great journalist but an oddball journalist to oh it was intro to countries hed been in lebanon and in ireland hed been everywhere nicaragua salvador and he had a story in salvador with a woman and it was a fascinating thread for the movie he took me down there i saw enormous amount of corruption i saw a pathetic situation in Central America where all the reformers teachers the unions were being busted were being oppressed they were the ruling class was old aristocratic families owning all and youre talking about the eightys and you know this news coming from ecuador from bolivia the whole people had to mars johnson he recognizes in venezuela. Maybe they havent seen your film that film salvador has anything changed since those days you think im not up to date on but it seems not it seems that home birth is in worse shape and sent and i think what Hillary Clinton did the intervention was a disaster re why does america keep. You know the wrong for the wrong side in all these countries is a very good question for history we will be we will be held to account but going back to the south this sounded or a story we got that still may i mean i got into the fascist Party Headquarters were in a major bob who it was responsible i believe for the murder of our tradition. I go almost to meet him i was supposed to meet him but something happened but they gave me their cooperation because they love scarface in other words i was getting the car operation of the desk lights because they looked scarface for having balls and being what they thought was a fascist europe on a stone ill stop you there after the break more from oliver stone on intellectual neoliberalism an alleged attempt by Henry Kissinger to stop platoon from ever being made and why his next project returns to her j. F. K. Assassination all of them all coming up in part 2 of going underground. Throughout its history the hardest with the selfproclaimed Islamic State a terrorist group ever quoted up to 30000 foreigners from all over the world to fight for. What purpose if you are in more. Thousands of russian citizens left their country to join the terrorist often bringing wives and children with them. But hes not going to pull the ladies and dust on you you see mother as a little not. More new to the. Hundreds of children and widows were held captive audience appeared. On my back one 6th form. Warlock. Back in russia children families waiting. To. Welcome back youre watching going underground lockdown edition im still here with all of a stone discussing his memoir chasing light i mean if anyone thinks its easy making movies this book isnt off of them because it clearly shows it isnt but how how seriously should we take the accusation that the military Industrial Complex interferes with the distribution of movies you seem to allege you dont going to very much detail but you talk about kissinger there in the shadows Henry Kissinger xander hey i mean they actually acted to interfere with me that i think they did because well its a 2 term story im in the im in the bottom of the end of my career so to speak i want to be can you ward so what im 30 in my thirtys at 3839 they take everything i had all my resources and i plunge them into south to make this movie for no money now this is very difficult because i have 93 speaking parts i mean to country cus it sound better i have tracks or starches murders assassinations civil rights im sure they include everything its 3000000 dollars budget and i keep it in started that started 300000. 00 budget it would have been a disaster for me it would wiped out thank god it was an englishman who came in it was john daly with him do you read salvador and put 2 and he asked me literally which film do you want to do 1st of all or he was even a boxing promoter at the alley fight in the congo no american studio would touch the show either as a script to produce. Or is it Distribution Company of john put up all the money nobody would do it this is disgusting to seize all the studios to which all the studios would say well we were an interest in the film an artistic merit of a you know i endeavor to anyone not just its a past but this you know if you think about it politically this is a film with revolutionary sympathies which was totally against i guess the America Great real revolutionary ship of where the west wing were the heroes of the film. And nobody would touch it was a crane to experience painful i cant tell you it turned off the projector in the middle of the film it was too violent too sexy too everything the film only got out because john stuck with Johns Company distributed and not not to Great Success or anything but he also at the same time said all of it go to the philippines make it to he had that amount of confidence in me i went to the philippines on the back of salvador and i made this low budget movie little bit more money with the best of my ability to get it for 56000000. 00 as opposed to 3. Nobody expected anything i mean it was i didnt i was happy to make it but you know theres something very disturbing in this book when you talk about salvatores reception when you say a 1000 or didnt make it to care this side of the this this im a born and i think whats a serving as you say a creeping intellectual neo liberalism in the in the 1980 s. I thought a sense or as identity politics drew an idea of what what constitutes politics just explain that a little because of course that debate is here about Council Culture and all the rest of it then it isnt the car culture of George Orwell that convinced pioneer but theres Something Else going on that the violence and so on get confused and somehow you know you may mean we saw jonathan racist even though what youre saying is actually anti imperialist. Well its as Franklin Roosevelt said i and i was a traitor to my class. The idea here is this is a speculation i was making in the book about europe changing because the old europe that i knew from Charles De Gaulle time grew up a lot of the time in france it was much more independent they were separate countries they were not into a Common Market de gaulle was very independent and tough with america he through he exited nato as you remember so when d he came along and neither all was a socialist but you could feel i felt that there was. When reagan came into office in america that was a breakpoint that was a beginning of a reaction to the liberalism a socalled jimmy carter etc and john kennedy and reagan took it back to a worship of the market in any cost get rid of the unions get rid of regulation same as trump kind of thing and free up the whole thing it would do Better Business everybody be happy well its a nice idea and to some degree my father of course believe that too but not to the point of reagan my father you mentioned him earlier did believe in a regulated capitalism and he would not have approved of this breakout that happened with reagan in fact he called reagan a dope and my father started the changes and as a result even and i said our men and now he thought reagan was miss and was brain back the cold war when there is no need to bring back the cold war it once said you know what difference does it make who does who how many arms y