Not go on forever the challenges created the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy thing for him to let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic to follow the only really im going to exist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. You know we look at the solutions we look take a deep dive into the issues weve been chatting about all year now today were going to be talking with a new a little more also known as an l w the breakdown god cast and following him on twitter for a long time close into his pocket yes you know the great thing about this whole new universe of media states is that people who might not get on media get on media and then they rise to the top and suddenly theyre like wow these people are awesome and i would put and i say neal in that 10. Welcome to the alex i mean humor we examine the geopolitical consequences of the coupon thing for most people the spread of crew in a fight is the motto of avoiding the contagion and keeping your job however i think the public this week devious cause new sensation this month by painting a political article in Rolling Stone which is going by the forecast that the wife is the author covered 19 could be 2 foreshadowing making moments the end of the make you want when i say that america. Is this is its the end of an american era look i mean i dont wish that will be the styles are because i say to the American Century and the best parts of that but remember that all empires are born to die all thats coming up in the program but 1st alex if you take massive. And were going to spend a bit longer on your messages this week because last weeks show featuring professor of human government of the intensive care and dr chris murphy the cambridge but all are just a provoked extraordinary a large the sponsor and the quality of the contributions was excellent many if you phoned the show both the star being very very informative janet for example says the 2 experts are like interviewed frontline scientists working with the virus at the moment good to know theres a lot of sharing of information going on around the world and cecile says definitely one of the best discourses on the corbett 1000 pandemic there are many variables and we will succeed together or fail together we are our brothers keeper roger says very informative the virus attacks everything not only the lungs theres no place for complacency and a hugely interesting tweet from Neil Campbell having hugged divide the sydney people and still have the lasting effects from it i find information really interesting but also wanting considering they dont know what the long term holds for those who have had the disease especially when it was said that the body is attacking its own healthy cells the big problem is very few have had called it ive had the opportunity to see a doctor regarding the ongoing symptoms and richard and kate see were writing see how much we enjoyed and appreciated your item and called it you let them speak and did not interrupt them looks right to score political points and sky eckel says little bit scary that past leopard fair to know what were dealing with under norful said shouldnt of that alexandre show for the 4 star a more welcome aboard incredibly informative and helpful as mina a superb and glamorous horse missing from the house of commons a good one says one of the best most informative discussions of colbert i have seen huge then. Festing to talk yuki express if you missed it for the read on highly recommended margaret says a must watch thanks for this hope it deals with some of the complacency that seems to be spreading. Money high got to take an opposite point of view to many for contributors so this fight us kills the vast majority of people i thought the vast majority survive it very well and the kilo which will pale covert 19 into the ranks of generally non fatal diseases will be world wide unemployment and destitution killing millions upon millions and millions more than 1000. 00 ever will we have on the voices of sanity muddy us or do they not fit this disgraceful and very disturbing knot of and finally maybe on our side but in some ways a hopeful note she says having lost true friends to cool that i dont really want to experience it what will seem to get back on its feet after 3 years of parties flu im sure we can overcome this. So back to this marina. Last week the 2020 Democratic National convention met the walk and virtually across the country among the notable speakers rallying to the cause were former president s Carter Clinton and obama and former 1st Lady Michelle obama the democrats were also able to field george w. Bush to secretary of state colin powell the starspangled kos was assembled virtually to claim former Vice President joe biden and senator kemal the hottest of california as a partys nominees for president and Vice President this week in contrast the republicans have also met but actually but with a difference some Convention Proceedings just in scale were still held in the original creek venue Charlotte North Carolina but events and festivities including todays kido speech from the president himself are featured to mostly true cases of the 5 top featured speakers for the surname troubling you. The democrats are to hate but the polls show signs of tightening both sides agree that its all to play fight in the election but if that isnt an i. Q. Meant that whether its a biden 1st time at a time 2nd tad americas days as a dominant well power by killing to a close and today show alex interviews that well leading anthropologist and wade he believes that the top tested thing and ability to handle covered 1000 odd but symptoms of the fall of the american food. And theyre delighted to be joined from his home in vancouver by where davis wade welcome to the alex salmond show thanks alex for having me so professor of anthropology and photography author of many books but few have caused as much start us as remarkable and very political off the pool and the Rolling Stone getting the end of america plus a pretty dramatic statement with well its not really i you know i think of it less as political than a love letter to a country that i really adore i was born a canadian but i married an american i became an american and my kids were raised in the states i found my career in the states and their same thing is this this article was really just trying to look at code through the cultural lens really a cultural story not a medical story in the question that looms in everybodys mind is why did new zealand do so well why is kind of the done so well and what went wrong so that our border and so its not really a political story per se but it d does suggest that the countries that did well are those that have a Strong Social contract that a National Health care law schools that cater d to the collective not the individual and certainly not the private investor who gives every hospital bed as a rental property and it kind of reflected on the sacked epidemics often become so crimes of history you know the black death that transformed a Medieval Europe and basically broke the back in the medieval age some epidemics have less impact this. Anish flu killed millions of people but in a world that was so used to death because of the great war that almost went on past my own grandfather alex walked out in calgary one morning in 1009001 his way to work and he was dead by the afternoon but they spent his suit didnt shake us in that way i think because were used to death yet this cold it is different and its coming at a point where people are asking whats become of america but few would argue that America President trump to protect us handled the crisis well but other countries have also struggled the impeccable social democratic credentials to sweeten for example of a high of death rate pet 1000000 than america the United Kingdom as a high of definite 1000000000 so yes the countries which have done spectacularly better but also social democratic countries which have been washed wells are going to nominees if you think about it i mean the swede made a very specific choice didnt it to basically ignore the virus and hope that it would basically be absorbed by the populace and turned out to be the 9 that turned out not be the case and the case of britain you like america or were led by an individual who was a populist who basically did not for a long and critical period the brilliance of this disease look canadas no Perfect Place when rates of death and more did a d. In the states were soaring we in British Columbia in all of our hospitals had 5 cases of co there so what was the difference thats part of what this article tries to ask i think the most generous thing you say but the donald is that he is the product of the saved as opposed to the cause effect sort of something about people going on in the miss america presence when i say that america is is is its the end of an american era look i mean i dont wish that well be the styles are because i say to the American Century in the best parts of that but remember that all empires. Are born to die as a journalist at the irish times said so putting it lightly you know people have had many feelings about america over the years but theyve never ever ever felt that the D United States and as Health Workers desperately awaited relief flights of basic supplies from china i argue that the hinge of history moved to the asian century and you cite an exchange between the an american official and the a chinese official of the Foreign Ministry when he had a sub to protestations about the situation in hong kong with wads let me brief in the summer a bit of moral authority a problem that is so clever you mention that alex because i mean i mean that the tragedy of that of course is that as america suddenly started to act like a 10 part dictator i mean imagine you have the you know this is a country thats you know you know was a pioneer in all great medical breakthroughs defeating polio defeating smallpox leading the world in middle medical technology certainly in the 20th century and suddenly you have a bill soon of the president at a point of incredibly desperate. National need where theres an american dine every minute of every day. Standing at the podium and recommending the use of household cleansing distance acted as a treatment of a disease that he didnt have the intellectual capacity even to understand and so the real tinpot dictators the world suddenly had a chance to take the high road and that the culmination of that is when when america tried to make comments about both the mishandling of the epidemic in china at the initial obrecht but also its crushing of democracy in hong kong when we the American Foreign secretary secure state was front trying to sort of make a comment about that the Chinese Ministry simply had to take a breath and say you know i cant breathe invoking the. Pavement of the unfortunate but slowly he died and now to this you know so i think i think theres these signs of an america that is so deeply polarized and and one of the one of the extraordinary consequences of the trump air and weather with it i dont think theres anyone clever enough in that white as to have actually done this deliberately but the way that truth has become malleable the way that truth has become relativistic the way that truth is what you say it would be d to the extent were literally. His core followers will deny reality that serves his interest and thats a kind of stunning inversion if you really want to know one sure sign of what i would to sign as a terminal decadents the United States its that moment when a nation doesnt recognize the truth it means it has no collective sense of itself no benign sense of its own internal wellbeing and when i speak of the countries that got on top of this they are the social democracies and has always said you know social democracy will never work d in america its you know its socialism or communism lite well you know social democracy may never work in america but its true its a stunning indictment and its a perfect indication of what oscar wilde have in mind when he said the United States was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization i finally on this section. Hopeful some audio been caught in the metaphor be led by to the shining city on the hill of his joe biden the passion to lead them there you know im the 1st to say my life was made in the United States a kind of a collective aunt canary d 0 risk taking creer that i soloed d to become an independent scholar could never have happened in my home country in canada in a 1000 years so you know i revere that wildness the madness the united. Its and so with any kind of hope you know it will steer its way back because we need that this isnt of what the america that we all love represents but as long as a country has been torn asunder by those d d who are deliberately doing that for their own personal needs you know in my time i saw them in law was on was present United States he turned down the vice presidency when nixon offered it to him because he he and he later served on the committee that brought nixon down my brother in law was a democratic senator for 18 years i mean i i i i love the United States. I love what it can represent you know. But right now im not sure that the the depths of polarization will ever pull it back together and unless someone can come along and i much as i think biden is a nice man hes not the figure of history hes hes going to be at best a caretaker and the reason to vote democrat in november is not because of the values of the Democratic Party im a complete independent the absolute crisis of american democracy is not simply defeating trump but the cd resoundingly what he represents and if the election is close or heaven forbid he is reelected then i think the road into the future looks very grim indeed so the United States. Join me after the play when ill be talking with wade davis about the range of his work and in particular his love affair with the south American Country of colombia. If you go to the symphony orchestras warming up and each musician is his tuning his or her instrument so you hear this year all these sounds of noise about it but its its a constant a its disorganized and then the band the orchestra plays and you get music so what the brain does and what the maker tubules you is organized orchestrated one collapses. Welcome back alex is in conversation of the canadian anthropologist we do things they going to discuss his latest book magdalena the great river all this favorite country colombia. Michael in us a remarkable new book i mean i cant imagine those any columbia this isnt the best pleased to you for your for contribute to smush the piece that bad why did you fall in love of this country you know when i was a little boy my mother who was a very. Humble but determined canadian woman told me in 1968. That spanish was the length of the future and she worked all year in as a secretary in a local Public School earn enough money to allow me to join a group of schoolboys at a british professor was going to take to grown bia and at a time when most canadians had never been in a commercial airplane the south american destination was terribly exotic and i was the youngest of the group of 14 and many of the older lads at 16 suffered from what the colombians call money its just homesickness and i like contrast sound that i felt like id finally found a home that was just something about the energy of the people the the warmth the the understanding of the thrill of human spirit and then i just was in chance at the entire time and then i went back with a one way ticket when i was 20 years old and became an acolyte of the great the technical explorer Richard Soltys and and spent 2 years in colombia as a book as a botanist and answer poetess living amongst Indigenous People and studying the floor of the new york for a police force and magazine is you know way ector about it and theres a great colombian writer who wrote a book called oblivion and his father was one of the one of the deaths that he colombia during these horrible years that really shook the nation was the death of tech his father an actor as thing asli bitter about that and its well known and so he writes in the back cover of magdalena you know only weight could make me love my country again he describes it because of love that its of the country and just before you know we. We met today 2 days ago i got a call from one man u. S. Santoshi expresident a Nobel Laureate for peace and he had read the book i sent it to him and hes a friend of mine and he said every colombian must read this book and in a way the book holds a mirror in a certain same way the previous segment were speaking about at that rolling d stone piece my attempt was to really hold a mirror to the americans to sort of show what the become of them in the case of mack the lead on trying to show hold a mirror to the communists to show all thats good about their their nation you know and one of the reasons the Peace Process drug moves is because of a kind of a laten leader ng testin ism the negativity that is inevitable in a people who d have suffered through d 50 years of war and the reason i picked the river back then is its the mississippi of of corona it is both the quarter of commerce and the sounds in the culture the it is the source of ploy a tree in literature music and and prayer and a big point of the book is to point out to you parti