Hello and welcome to cross talk were all things are considered is there any new zealand truth is there any truth in the news also what is this one creature known as Elliot Abrams say about trucks. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest alexander me curious in london he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and in athens were joined by alex kristof he is. Director and writer for the duran dot com or a chilling cross up rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate who is going to london for us alexander during the soviet union there to the major state publication was probably his best youre proud the obviously means truth is that it means news and it was a joke during the soviet union there is no truth in the news and theres no news in the truth i think i tend to think thats where we are in the west. Where does truth meet news and does news ever have a thing to do with the truth because it is so deep weaponized politicise that it is just a commodity to be used for ideological purposes so what is the what is the purpose of i guess media can we even say free media anymore go ahead what i do we can say free media best the 1st time would make i mean in my opinion media today in the west has become very very controlled its become very centralized as a very small group of owners those owners very well connected within the political system and they have certain perspectives within that political system so the result is we have a dramatic all for pain eons commentry and of discussion and when it comes to facts what you tend to see especially on Foreign Policy issues but even increasingly on domestic policy issues is that the facts now of very very much a present in a certain way that seems to fulfill certain agendas so you will consist see that for example if a particular Foreign Government is on call could look with the United States the entire media will connell in and will repeat the various allegations against it without much truth we see the same kind of phenomena being used on specific. Beeks weve seen the political debates in and be within our within western countries so the entirety of the media for example with one or 2 exceptions to the russian cape aricept hasnt withdrawn from age or back away from it and the other thing thats happened this is one of the most extraordinary and pressing things to me is that at the same time as the media has become will concentrate its head and its dog its various genders almost in unison it has become extremely aggressive and the language and the use that now comes out to the media is off the scale and the concept that used to be very rigidly follows a separate set separates the opinion from reports she had you know the reporting of the facts which is usually salient jacksie if and then you have the opinion pages all the. Comments on the television which are always state now you repeat the reporting of the facts and hes full of the pavement and theres hardly any account separate so you can bet there is no. Facts dont really matter i guess thats the thats one of the underlying principles of oh so far as you know i dont im im sure you saw me the full length the version of the george floyd video ok that was released a few days ago so it gives you a much broader picture of what was going on and its a more complex story than it was being presented in the initially which doesnt take away from the outcome obviously and then we havent as only generate macarius mention of the russia hoax which has been proven to be a hoax over and over again which you would know that from Mainstream Media is meant fact they continued it to double down on it just in different variations of it is a hoax that will never die. Because its the foundational element of their world view when it comes to particularly in american domestic politics here so i mean even if you have of the facts as we would understand it of the 3 of us and our viewers that doesnt amount to much doesnt count for much does it. Make up stories and they lie and i think everyone understands the word fake news now but the problem is they never correct themselves out of a problem with making mistakes as youre reporting i get it thats going to happen but they never correct themselves so they say the lie and then they distribute that lie and they distribute it quickly i think this is an added danger to whats happened in the media not only do you have a centralization of Mainstream Media you have a centralization of the distribution and its very quick distribution and thats in the form of social media so you have the Mainstream Media colluding with the social media example of the george floyd tape the truth came out we got to see the whole video everyone can make up their own mind and thats great everyone can judge it as they see fit to judge it but the may stream media would not report it with the exception of maybe one or 2 late night hosts dr karl segues ackley exactly and the social media made sure that no one was allowed to see it the big tech social media course you go to sites like it shoots or a parlor these alternative media see it but do you tube to twitter the facebooks they would it let anyone see that tape see that video in order to make their own judgments so i mean not only do you have to make the cable news and the primetime news and the big Corporate News centralized the social media has also become centralized and theyre working together and to me peter thats been the biggest disappointment of all of this when social media came out i actually thought wow these. Guys could actually work as competitors to the mainstream news we twitter could compete with the b. B. C. Facebook could compete with fox news at the end of the day though what happened they ended up working together you tube decided to scrub and get rid of alternative news outlets and favor the Mainstream Media news you know in other words its just becoming another platform where you can watch cable news and on a personal note peter i go to sites like the usa today and theyve written articles about the duran every now and then they have me listed they actually describe me as a russian native and thats im not exaggerating a russian if i wasnt born in russia has no connection to russia of Greek Cypriots born in the us i mean thats thats the amount of misinformation yeah i like to throw out there nobody calls and ive been mentioned in the only fact that they get right is that i wear a bow tie. Im going to be curious you know i can understand like for example have a break that was it was a deeply divisive issue it was deeply political there was a lot of best interest on all sides we could look at the russia gate hoax obviously that was used as a. Weapon against donald trump and it had no foundation to it it was just a conspiracy took on its own life for political reasons but then it got worse ok i can understand partisanship i got no problem im partisan ok then why do you listen to the other side or other sides but what it what happened with this pandemic i dont know what to believe about it people say its a science but most people that say its the science have no idea what science is and they have they have their own agenda here and i think thats really been very damaging to the body politic in the western where particularly which i know best about what can you what should you believe and can you have tolerance for people that believe differently and this is even a worst place. Just partisan politics well this is exactly to go to the to the pandemic i had very clear views of probably about the pandemic which id have expressed very clearly in various places and they are close to what we might consider to be the orthodox here but i absolutely do not believe in suppressing people who hold alternative views to me what you eat fewer jews act is that you will undermine trust and if you do it all every single tool pick you will in the end undermine trust in everything i think if we look at attitudes to the media now that is exactly what is happening in the United States in place an engine an e you discover that institutions like you know the media the big media mold is the b. B. C. M s m b c. Entities which once used to command immense trust are no longer trusted anymore and where there is no trusts they cannot be proper consensus action and of course we have to understand one which is very important in democratic societies trust is essential people may disagree with the charts but they have to accept that within the political system within the political debate on a subject like the pandemic that people are accepting and speak in good faith if they no longer believe that if they think that they are being merely pilates yates and lines to Untold Stories in order to suit the genders which solti many people do they today and with good cause then you start to see and humilation across lives and thats exactly whats been happening on top it off to top it off to top it. In the wests eloquence for that Alexandra Kerry says theres something Just Brilliant here about you know good faith if you disagree you cannot by definition have good faith and that is a thats a one way i mean that is that is that open itself up to any kind of an interrogation you know what you know we used to think that you know and talk about in the manufacturing of truth but really this is the manufacturing of myths because you know it has no foundational basis so its a myth can be built upon and can be manipulated all at once and weve seen this over and over again with innumerable topics here so its really that the the manufacturers of myths and you must because if you dont youre not a good faith factor faith factor they do monetize you they d. Platform you they make you disappear some of these companies go after your means of living they call after your pay pal account after your bank account i mean what alexander said in the beginning not only do they not let you absorb the news make your own decision or speak about your opinions about the news they go after you think dont agree with you and they go after your entire livelihood let me give you going back to the pandemic let me give you an example of what twitter has done twitter came out with a statement the other day and they said that the corona any news coming out of china about the corona we do not see it as going against our terms the next day they come out with a statement saying trumps tweets about the corona violate our terms and he needs to take down that tweet. It doesnt make any sense and people see this this is the president the United States is a twitter account 506070 1000000 people fall and i dont know how many but they see this and they go what is going on something is going on with corona theyre not telling us the truth theyre lying to us they make people even more suspicious than they make people doubt the media even more and. Its not working in anyones favor you know its getting you have to still sense yourself now you have to i dont even know if im allowed to say corona and my lot to say that im yes so god will bring that they believe that they can determine what truth is i mean that has been the entire experience of western civilization is the discussion of that but they seem to have come to a rather easy gentlemen would jump and you know were going to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news day with army. Seemed wrong. But all roads just dont all. Get to stamp out this day. And in danger because the trail. Went something find themselves worlds apart. Just to look for common ground. As the u. S. Economy was booming growing numbers of people were made homeless. You can work 40 hours d in a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still has the lead up to the reality of the were not financial inequality and the lack of Affordable Housing living minimum wage give many people no choice. Thats been a problem with the city and always turn a return and told me stay away i dont hold this. Because you also requires resources the most vulnerable were abandoned on the streets to become the invisible comes. Welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered im peter belt to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to london and switch gears gentlemen. In the last few news cycles we learned that Elliot Abrams is not only keeping the venezuelan desk hes been given the iran desk as well a convicted. Convicted felon lied to congress and hes elevated here i wouldnt have done this story just on Elliott Abrams because its very clear cut in my mind in the in the minds of people who watched these videos. And this program but at the same time we heard susan rice being touted as a possible Vice President ial. Position in a biden in ministration. What does this tell you that abrams is elevated and you have susan rice that has a track record of utter and complete failure on Foreign Policy so what does this say because we have a never trumper Elliott Abrams now further in bed in the trumpet ministration and we have. A former obama official there with a track record of failure that is on track now maybe not president but maybe another position in that future administration what does that tell us about Foreign Policy now what does it say about the small go ahead what he says 1st of all is that there is no punishment in the United States if you will wrong on Foreign Policy crew valentis you all wrong in a certain way if you were wrong in favor 8 regime change in other countries and aggressive in the sequel and economic stunts for the United States if you believe intel gets you not the country this they you all right well gees even if theyre all you know no weapons of mass destruction in iraq even if your attempts to stage coups in venezuela are already complete faith even if iraq itself is a total gym buckle because if you look at 88 grams and you know consume hes of course they will argue they come to this just specs and susan rice lou say shes a liberal humanitarian intervention is. Of course any 8 grams is a neo conservative interventionist the result is exactly the same. I would all like you that the United States is actually based interests at this point it is history ours so why dont we trenchant any pulling away from these extremely aggressive policies which have done no good. Full but despite the criticism these policies coming fall what we see is that people who advocate all this is in fact the most extreme that paul is is a groundswell the one so i susan rice on the other theyre about to be promote. Right i call this the didnt is they should of american Foreign Policy because that you know is that very famous symptom is rather than out interagency consensus but thats exactly what it is trump has made no impact on it and it is as a as a Foreign Policy act during his own right i mean he hired and fired john bolton hes brought in Elliott Abrams and you know with some very nuance on the margins its a its a bush obama Foreign Policy and as and it shows that it is his role as president as animals nothing to do with steering the ship of state for the United States and i think that is really pathetic because that was one of the foundations that he ran on as president and people voted for us i mean i think the disheartening part is that after bolton and the mistakes that trump made with bolton mcmasters and all kinds of and all kinds of people and now you have abrams getting elevated but i think thats thats definitely an element of having pomp ala secretary of state trump went to reelection i expect and i expect that tom taylor will be moving on thats what i think will happen and i think a lot will change cantelli does move on and if if trump appoints a proper secretary or secretary of state and not a neo con or near liberal like topsail then we may see some changes maybe a flim type of appointed 20 yeah but saying that you know dont you think. That we could only kind we can only hope but what why should we believe that would be it wouldnt be. I mean i agree im saying if. If if he appoints someone on the opposite side of top and once again ill say like a flame when he 1st appointed flynn and then he got completely sidetracked when what happened to flynn happened and he went down this other road of mcmasters and pompei on all these neo cons so if he gets on track in his 2nd term and he avoids listening to the swap then we may have some hope that he male point someone that will do a better job were in the case of biden we have no hope thats my point i think with trump we do have some hope there is some hope trump hasnt gotten us into a war has the us into war he hasnt gotten the us bogged down in any major conflicts so there is some hope that if he does win a 2nd term there is a chance that pompei only and that hes done with all the Russia Ukraine gay stuff and he can appoint someone along the lines of the flynn type who may actually implement some change with biden i think theres absolutely 0 chance of seeing any kind of change in us Foreign Policy i think it will get more aggressive susan rice case in point how many times has she lot how many times that she likes the American People or under oath i mean nothing has happened to her work a life from flame a papadopoulos stone you see what has happened today when you know the f. B. I. Has questioned them and they caught them with very vague very minor infractions so my point on all of this is with trump and why you have to vote trump is that you do have some hope that things could change with biden i think theres 0 chance you have 3 and a half years ok i mean and that means something here all right i agree trying to get us and into any new wars here but its all a whole gambit against iran it is just a disaster for everybody concerned i mean lo