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a lockdown orders are going back into effect in some countries as the world attempts to limit the spread of cope 19 we'll take a global look at these new orders along with the spread of the virus the oil industry continues to struggle due to a lack of demand caused by the pandemic will break down the situation and what it will take for oil to make a comeback impact show today so let's dive right in. and we'll leave the program with more pushback over chinese social media app tick-tock and whether or not u.s. tech giant microsoft will actually be able to take over as we have reported president donald trump has said that he will take back in the u.s. by september 15th unless a deal can be reached for microsoft to buy the company's u.s. operations but now china is saying not so fast in fact beijing is now saying that it will not accept a microsoft acquisition and editorial in beijing backed china daily states china will by no means accept the theft of a chinese technology company and it has plenty of ways to respond if they ministration carries out its plan to smash and grab no specifics were given on what were tele ation might look like and the chinese ministry of foreign affairs characterized the move as unfair and purely political. so-called national security holds no water at all it is just looking for an excuse the relevant company carried out business activities in the midwest are going to go with market principles and international union and abide by the us laws and regulations but the us hasn't been used to research on and suppressed unwarranted charges and joining us now for a deep dive into this is boom bust co-hosted investigative journalist ben swan and dean of the miami herbert business school john thank you both for joining us today now i don't bet i want to start here we talked about this monday and you were highly critical of this u.s. decision to force the sale of tic-tac to a company like microsoft are you at all surprised by beijing's response. no not at all surprise i actually agree with beijing and i rarely do that but in this case i do agree with them because what i think it does feel like theft it feels like the u.s. government came in and said a couple of things number one we're going to require that tick tock be removed from the country and then suddenly said but if you want to sell it to a u.s. company you can do that which makes sense for the owner by the way of tech talk because otherwise it's lose your company in the u.s. and in india and all these other emerging markets possibly canada new zealand australia if you lose that market then the company in those places becomes worthless so the offer that's been made to you is much like the mafia would make it you can either go away or you can sell and if you sell then you know at least you get something for microsoft to take this on and then the president's talking about how he wants a big chunk of the money to go into the u.s. treasury because the u.s. government helping to broker this thing i mean it just seems so corrupt that it makes every accusation that in the us we make about china and about their bad dealings i think pale in comparison it's interesting that you bring up that mafia analogy ben because on that treasury issue it seems like somebody say oh and we want to cut of this as well and i want to bring that up what the president saying insinuating some of this money of the purchase was actually going to go to the treasury let's play that sound bite i did. give you whatever the price is that goes to whoever owns it because i guess it's china essentially but more than anything else they sent a verse abstention portion the price is going to have to come into the treasury of the united states because we're making it possible for this deal to happen now dean quelch what is he trying to get at here why would some of this funds from the purchase go to the treasury. well it's a mystery to me and i think it's important to underscore that the level of chinese investment in the united states is only around about 5 or $6000000000.00 but the level of u.s. investment in china is around about $120000000000.00 so in terms of in terms of potential retaliation by beijing there are a lot of u.s. assets in china could be potentially called the skated and ted for tat escalation so i think this is a very unfortunate turn of events that may be some truth in the issue of 70 or 80000000 u.s. consumers now being on tech talk and the privacy of their data might be a risk given what we know about chinese law and the requirements on chinese companies to turn over data to the government on request there may be some truth in that but to address the issue in a unilateral way just picking on one chinese company that happens to be successful in the u.s. rather than through a general policy does seem to me to be foolhardy and it seems like we've seen this actually kind of over and over again you mentioned one company but obviously we had the situation with weiwei now we've had the trade dispute hong kong has rallied things up and we've also had the i mean there is a lot going on in this back and forth between u.s. and china relations and in that situation the relations have really deteriorated why is this a new low for those relations. well it is a multi-faceted downward spiral. for sure going to continue through to november and i think. president try to secure. second term. there are some people who would say that his major objective in a 2nd term would be to do to china what ronald reagan did to the soviet union but i think that would be a very very much tougher road to hoe so i'm i'm nervous about what might happen as this perpetual sequence of. upsets continues to deteriorate what is the most important bilateral relationship in the world and it's very interesting because there isn't a whole lot of new developments since trump took office here in what china has been doing but it seems that he's really the one taking issue with that many may be critical of previous administrations for not doing so but i want to stick on this and take tax situation many in the tech industry are split over this decision with take it some say it's fair game to stop china as a geo political rival and also point out that china has for years taken advantage of american companies are those really fair points when it comes to the situation. i don't think they are and the reason i don't is because look even the u.s. is standing and saying from the moral high ground china is behaving badly the answer to that is not to say we'll double down and act even worse i mean the idea that the u.s. government is brokering and that's the i think the biggest issue i have with this is the way that trump talks about brokering the deal so that money flows into the treasury why would the u.s. government in a free market society ever broker a deal for anybody number one number 2 if to talk is bad then ban it don't hand it off to a giant u.s. corporation like microsoft who will by the way also use and probably will misuse data as well as facebook has as twitter has as google has look the dean said something that's very important here i think and that is he pointed out that there is no general policy being created that is significant the u.s. government if they want to deal with this needs to create rules and laws for how data is handled by everyone not simply because data might be accessed by the chinese government it's bad but if data is being mishandled or even accessed by the u.s. government it's good either data is is something worth protecting or it's not. and dean quotes actually want to follow up with you on that exact point that ben's making i mean you've been in the business world for for decades and actually seen as technology has come up and microsoft has come to dominance along with these other tech heavyweights i what how do you feel about this when it comes to control of data should there be more regulation in that regard or or what are you seeing as the dean of the miami harvard business school. well i think that definitely should be more regulation and. the european union frankly has done more by way of leadership in this area than the united states or any other country what we have to realize though is that there is a percentage of consumers who are perfectly oblivious to the the dangers of having their data readily shared and there is a significant minority of consumers who are extremely protective of their data so and a sense from a political point of view the elect the electorate not just in the us but in many other countries as split on this particular issue many people don't see it as a problem and a minority do but i think that one thing we haven't mentioned that's important in this case so i'm not necessarily defending the the administration's position but it is interesting that canada new zealand and australia that author of the other 5 ah yes the intelligence subgroup that looks over china issues in particular they have joined in this because the microsoft deal involves taking over the take talked business in those 3 countries as well as in the u.s. so this is clearly motivated by security related concerns rightly or wrongly boom bust caused and so on and dean john quelch of the miami harvard business school thank you both for your time. thank you. and the united states recorded less than 50000 cases of covert 1000 for the 2nd straight day on monday an important milestone not seen in weeks but as the country continues to struggle with controlling the spread of the virus president donald trump says a permanent lockdown really isn't in the cards. it's important for all americans to recognize that a permanent lock down is not a viable path toward. producing the result that you want to or certainly not a viable path forward and would ultimately inflict more harm that it would prevent our current phase we must focus on protecting those that is risk well allowing younger and healthier americans to resume work and school with care for all 3 courses the comment from present the president trump comes as some areas throughout the world are reinstating walked out for more on this in the spread of the virus across the world let's bring in our correspondents. where we worldwide so ben right now more than 18580000 people on the world have been diagnosed with colon 19 up more than 280000 in just one day now more than 10900000 have recovered and about 700008 little over have died and as of tuesday 4 pm more than 4800000 confirmed cases in the u.s. and almost 160000 deaths but brad i'd like to go over a specific states in the u.s. that are seeing the latest changes in case counts and that so 1st so far as these states have had recent growth in newly reported cases over the last 14 days now for example in the oklahoma just over the past week there's been a average of $865.00 cases per day now that's an increase of about 29 percent from 2 weeks earlier and then there is a maryland and missouri that are seeing an increase of 41 percent in new cases and nebraska with a 47 percent increase rhode island has an increase of 75 percent in new cases howie on the other hand has seen a 395 percent increase just from 2 weeks ago so clearly these states that are listed are right here they're headed into the wrong direct. now the next slide these are states that are seeing new cases mostly the same now for example in new york they're seeing a 11 percent decrease in new cases so in that state cases are continuously decreasing so that's when there's no sudden change so i've categorized them as mostly the same the same applies to these states right here so there are cases have remained the same within the last 2 weeks now let's take a look where new cases are decreasing again a few that stick out in florida a decrease of 24 percent from 2 weeks ago arizona 27 percent increase in texas 17 percent decrease and all of the and that's great news given that these 3 states that are there that i just mentioned that surging number just 2 weeks ago now lastly let's take a look where new deaths are increasing so these states have had the highest growth in newly reported deaths or over the last 14 days since new deaths tend to rise a few weeks after a rise in infection for example florida broke its record for the most deaths reported in a single day several times in the past week and is now seeing an increase of 22 percent increase in deaths and another example is mississippi with an increase of 13 percent in deaths now overall new deaths in the u.s. are up 36 percent from 2 weeks ago but still remain well below their peak levels and brenda spied ongoing surges the new cases and deaths that i just went over right here which as far outpace many other countries like you mentioned president trump insisted they're shutting down the u.s. and temp to lower new cases and that's would cause more harm than good but other countries like the philippines and are strange how one the other hand decided to go back to a partial lockdown in order to stop the spread of the virus brant orgy correspondents are tethered to. thank you for that insightful report and time now for a quick break here because when we return the oil industry continues to struggle due to a lack of demand caused by the pandemic breakdown the situation and what it's going to take for the sector to rebound as we go to break the numbers at the. a shirt. and american. hiroshima. standing up claiming any. chametz. i like most americans growing up after the war the bombs were a great thing they ended the war they say hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides and that's why my grandfather always said was his reason for the decision. truman was hoping for a dual strategy one was to drop the bombs and hope that japan would surrender their number to the americans for trying to send a message to the soviet union there was american poor planning in october 145 and had chosen 20 targets and russia. yeah you're. right. and welcome back prices are easing up near $40.00 per barrel are concerns that a fresh wave of coated $1000.00 infections will hamper a global demand recovery news from asia and europe is adding to concerts that the infection crisis may be spreading in a global 2nd wave not just in the u.s. and brazil to break down the impact of the economy and the oil industry let's go ahead and bring a bus co-host christiane recruit president and c.e.o. of sprout holdings thank you both for being here always appreciate both your faces let's start with you kristie but where do we see crude oil prices go in the near term well right now we're starting to see demand slow down again a city such as melbourne once again tightening down lock downs and restrictions in oregon about all these new coven infections cruise lines and flights volumes are about 15 percent from where it was at the start of the year and elsewhere in the u.s. they cation travel season also known as the summer driving season that is looking weak as a memo samaritans are staying home so meanwhile you have on the supply side you have opec producers raising output this month adding about $1500000.00 barrels per day of supply so the u.s. producers meanwhile are also planning to restart production as well as there's a slight uptick in manufacturing which they're saying. as very optimistic data so with lowered expectations and more supply coming on line we would definitely expect to see some more downward pressure on the near term curve but i don't think we'll see what we saw earlier this year as the entire car slid negative and now rick i actually wanted to talk to you about something you've said actually on the airwaves here several times you always tend to tell us the cure for low oil prices is low oil prices and traditionally in an economic downturn that makes sense because demand will go up as oil becomes more accessible but when we're in this global pandemic where people are forced to stop traveling some business as completely so went to a halt people are going to the pump because they're working from home it is those that seem to be the case what's going to take for this oil sector to actually rebound at this point. i'm. just it's true markets do we're price cure low price near term economic slowdown that would decline and automobile traffic decline and airlines the sort of precipitous decline in global economic activity demand is calling on is can make no mistake this $40.00 oil price 2 years or 3 years will take its toll unproductive past opec won't need to slow down production production because they won't have made this. necessary to maintain production so in the near term weakness but weakness setting up strength 2 years out 3 years out 4 years out i really can't say when and now rick i want to move to u.s. shale because it looks like the shale industry is looking to add another round of bankruptcies and this is after $23.00 companies with over $30000000000.00 in collective debt filed for bankruptcy already in the 1st half of this year you said it's going to be a different us shell sector after this whole thing is over but at this point we're little concern is it actually going to survive this downturn as creditors are no longer lending to these troubled companies what are you seeing here. well we're going to see we're trouble in the show business certainly it is costing capital business and the cost was gone up equity prices will fall which is to say that we care who is more expensive generally is less available so an example intensive business more businesses reduce margins you will see certainly see the shield business continue in some way shape or you will continue to see technological innovation. and you will also see strong who are weak from what we see i think really new location. but i don't. show you a little the street meeting. its current production. given the software will write the much higher cost. now kristie i want to keep on this low as bank load standards have actually tie in to considerably in the last quarter at a time when most companies small businesses and consumers need it the most what's going on there while it's a start of this very vicious cycle because you're right this is the time that people need the loans the most especially the consumers in the u.s. as the u.s. as a consumer is driven economy but banks right now are tightening their loan standards and you see j.p. morgan actually leading this entire this entire sector. they're accepting they're not no longer accept a new home equity lines of credit they've halted all non p.p.a. based loan so now you have almost all of the u.s. commercial banks halting all of these lending halting loans and in tightening lending standards all across the board from commercial industrial to home credit cards and auto to commercial real estate loans and so the loan standards for all these products they were hiked so much that they are almost matching the standards during the last financial crisis when it was virtually impossible to get any sort of loan for the average consumer so in short every single thing that is not explicitly backed by the government such as the p.p.p. loans banks just simply. i won't go near any more as they have 0 visibility on the future outlook and the possibility of repayment so right now the credit standards for approving credit card applications they've tightened to 72 percent on net versus 39 percent of what it was previously earlier this year and the standard for auto loans they have that has tightened to 55 percent on net to 16 which shows that there is going to be a huge liquidity crunch for consumers in the near future which will only feed into a more sluggish slow recovery rick rule c.e.o. of spro holdings christie cohost thank you both for joining us and bringing that all down we'll have you both back real soon thank you thank you. and finally let's shift our focus to a medical breakthrough that sounds like it's right out of a movie researchers in singapore have created artificial skin able to feel a concept that was actually inspired by a scene in star wars r t correspondent tribute chavez has more of the story. remember this scene from the star wars movie trilogy we're luke skywalker loses his right hand and it's replaced by a robotic one seemingly able to experience touched and stations again well according to a team of researchers in singapore that was the motivation behind their latest creation aces or asynchronous electronic skin it's made up of $100.00 small sensors and is about as 16th of a square inch in size the researchers at the national university of singapore say that it can process information faster than the human nervous system is able to recognize 20 to 30 different textures and can read braille letters with more than 90 percent accuracy and by adding algorithms allowed a device to learn quickly the team leader benjamin t. said in a statement humans need to slide to feel texture but in this case the skin with just a single touch is able to detect textures of different roughness when you lose your sense of touch you essentially become numb and prosthetic users face that problem he has that by recreating an artificial version of the skin for their prosthetic devices they can hold a hand feel the warmth and even feel that it's soft even how hard they are holding the hand no technology is still be experimental stage however the researchers say that there has been tremendous interest especially from the medical community reporting for boom bust trinity chavez are taking a. fascinating advance but there are thank you so much tony job as for covering that story and that's it for this time you can catch boom bust on demand on the brand new portable t.v. app to be able on smartphones and tablets through google play the apple app store by searching portable t.v. portable t.v. could also be downloaded on a new model sam so smart t.v.'s as well as a roku devices or you can simply check it out a portable t.v. we'll see you next time. thinking of getting a new job coming once we got in her shell from rob was he didn't know what to do he was trapped in this tiny little wired coach we don't need a crate with him the wall star freaking out and she won't let us bring him anywhere near. greeting dogs or caged in inhumane conditions on poppy farmers i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in cages outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the courtier the rain the snow the founder nothing they have no protection. to get what you. know it's ok. across the u.s. cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from this large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold and at stores even joined a group businesses are involved like dog among santa there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding for so many days most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog. ah no no crow. no shots. faction belts because. well it's true no 1st. point should your thirst for action. you cannot be both with the yeah you are. all across the board trying to sit down in the polls and not just by a pointer to traditionally incumbency alone is enough to win reelection but this time around it is a race trump name lose and let's be clear this has little to do with joe biden how did we get. welcome to all of us from around the world live from the central london this is all to u.k. . writes this. shocking footage has emerged of a fall the being dragged away from his dying daughter's bedside by police as the family plans legal action they say that race was a factor in their treatment. i mean yes i mean. just in general it would have that we would not be in the situation this would not . lead but it isn't morning some 100 people that kill themselves and a massive explosion that rocked the country's capital on tuesday. the means to quarantine allowed up to 10 the files and arrivals with corona virus into britain at the start of the pandemic of the children to the scientists. of the world use criticize the government's pandemic response in a letter sent to england's chief medical officer we hear from one of the signature . throughout the management. the decision making has been somewhat of. a grieving family is taking legal action after the father was dragged from his terminally ill daughter's bedside by police officers off to the hospital decided to withdraw life support. right. this is the moment police dragged dr gushee to bussy away from his daughter's zaineb side or u.k. shot it was daschle has spoken to the family and joins me now so share their take us through what exactly happened and what they said to you well it was incredibly hiring to speak to both dr rush about the and indeed earlier bussy of course the parents of their daughters zainab who tragically died not only was a moment so tragic to lose their daughter but minutes before they were just told that their life support would be taken off their daughters they know just before that very incident that you saw those harrowing footage of the police being incredibly heavy handed dragging away both ali and dr bussy away from the bedside of their daughter zainab the to say that they have not been treated like the medical professionals of course they were working in the n.h.s. for over 30 years combined they won't treat like medical professionals they were treated like parents but they say they were treated like criminals. who were just completely devastated. and were in opposition grief when the police came and it was just so many hundreds and they literally assaulted us it's a really open you know burn in her husband but like a metal implement runs red and drug in a way we were disgusted i was i was i was you know. you know we were treated like calm and. it should never end. reasoned the range and. now the incident occurred just under a year ago but it's now that the family are launching a legal battle in full form of a court hearing and it's taken them this time to obtain the footage that's come from police officers but also they've had to lift the restrictions on reporting on it so it's taken a while but of course it's taken a huge time to emotionally be able to go through and relive this harrowing experience now dr russia bassy says not only where his human rights violated but also the human rights of his daughter. who is missing. writes a guy joe you know well you know me you know it was. me to her. around her to try and regain normalcy did she knew who were the last 3 years of. her home every night every night this was not you get into consideration although she was. last with us last close nobody can remember. when the dignity. well zain up was with a rare genetic disease called name and peck she was taken off her ventilator after that incident but 4 weeks later on september the 16th she sadly passed away the ending of course of her short life and such a rare something her parents say they cannot accept nor can they understand but this of course the subsequent detention after that incident of dr russia even he then suffered a heart attack all of this he says the police were very heavy heavy handed in the footage it certainly appears so according to the hospital though this is their response. the 58 year old was arrested on suspicion of breach of the peace he was subsequently also arrested on suspicion for solti police officers due to the nature of the incident it was necessary to detain the man when he complained of feeling unwell he was taken for treatment as soon as as was possible we can confirm that we have not received a complaint in relation to this incident we are however in the process of reviewing the civil claim so it would be inappropriate to comment any further when there is a risk to the safety of any of the patients in our care to relatives or visitors or to our stuff or interference with the delivery of care and treatment it is necessary for us to seek help from the police this is never taken lightly it is essential we maintain a safe and secure environment particularly where we are caring for very sick and vulnerable patients while to add insult to injury dr ali abbas says says her family would have been treated in this way if it not for the color of her skin. and i only know really yes i mean. just in general or whatever we would not in a situation this were not so how can one can imagine that they would have the sultan right you know a white medical consultant sitting by is the problem to it's not that of course the family knows that nothing can bring sign up back but the fight for justice for than continuous it's a terrible situation which is really not only nonsense i think you cannot get over the tragedy of losing eternal being king of the united you know because of the trash bags that basically are you know somebody believed you out of my being the inductors. well helping hand pops. in like a lion. has his left arm i mean you are valid to step back to their means maybe you're not. condolences are being sent from all over the world to live in them where a devastating explosion ripped through the capital on tuesday the nation is in mourning as the catastrophe has claimed the lives of at least 100 people and left over 4 fells and injured according to the country's red cross. was. given the large number of injured hospitals are under immense strain facilities already dealing with the coronavirus crisis were quickly filled beyond capacity issued pleas full blood donations and for generators to keep the lights on here are some 1st hand accounts from those who experienced the shock wave of the blast. so you must die in the sun we felt a boom everything turned over our hands i was at home in my demand for c.t.v. when the window fell over on me the wardrobe also follower asked my daughter injured her arm and she needs a surgery now. that was. the. cause of. couldn't that mean we weren't home we heard the sound of the airplanes above our house well even the op of floor of the building we heard destroy noise from airplanes and suddenly the song falls on us something explodes and everything falls with it. i was moving and it felt like an earthquake relinked around and resold glass shattered everywhere. we spoke to journalist ult of ahmed in beirut who has been to the side of the blast for us and all correspondence in tel aviv for the slip. well right now we're standing in martyrs square where the house long been a venue for many of the poor form that's what's happened take place 11 on the past couple months especially after lebanon was gripped with the worst economic crisis it has witnessed in the past 3 decades at least we know that the lebanese lira has lost at least 80 percent of its worth in the last 2 months alone right now in the marchers as you can see behind me demonstrators and activists are collecting donations for people whose homes have been ravaged by the explosion which rocked the capital city badal yesterday you can see water bottles on the ground stuff even blankets and clothes and everything that the 300000 that now 300000 homeless lebanese are could be in need of also you have a lot of pro-reform demonstrators who are once again demanding that the government take action and they are calling even on politicians in what have long been. you know part of the sectarian based power sharing system that has led law been on the brink of economic collapse they are calling on them their resign and to leave they are 8 accusing them their negligence of being behind that explosion which rocked the capital city yesterday we know that the 2750 tons of. ammonium nitrate that went off as well as other explosive material and the poor baby with yesterday the main cause up until this hour according to lebanese officials as negligence is that they were actually supported without any prevention save or safety measures this is why you have over 100 people now. people killed this is why you have over 4000 lebanese injured and this is why you have over 100 others missing and the the 3000 is are still i think about the injuries are still adding up rescue teams are still digging through there of well they're still trying to find survivors and injured and now here you find that the p. . people have come together despite all that 19 despite the warnings from the government that this is going to you know we need to just part of the pandemic they don't care they're here where they're sold their soul they're used to those whose homes robin roberts they're here to show their solidarity with the victims a with the families of the victims with the families of those who were martyred as well and they are also sending a lot of their message to the lebanese government that is for 4 months it is not acceptable and they are calling all politicians who would just believe the country's prime minister has said that the cause of the explosion was 2 $1700.00 tons of ammonium nitrate that was stored in a way house he said he would reveal facts soon about the way house but he wouldn't do so now because he did not want to preempt an official investigation that's under way in hospitals continue to report being in the state of chaos we know that they've been turning people away they've simply been unable to cope with the huge number of wounded and injured they are calling for blood donations and also for generators to keep the lights going all of this comes as the mini supreme defense council recommended to clearing beirut a disaster stricken city and also calling for 2 weeks of national emergency the military have now taken control of the security on the streets we're also hearing that the lebanese government has made available 100000000000 lebanese pounds in emergency funding to assist those who has been affected the prime minister says that they will find that those or those responsible and bring them to book so that i will not rest until we find the person responsible for what happened so we can hold them to account and impose the most severe punishment it's unacceptable as a shipment of 2750 tons of ammonium nitrate has been present for 6 years in a warehouse without any preventative measures. now the lebanese government has asked for assistance there's a host of countries who have responded saying that they sending both humanitarian and or medical aid amongst them are 2 key the united states the united kingdom qatar iran and france we are hearing from the american president donald trump who says that this looks like a terrible attack which is a statement that contradicts contradicts the official words that we hear coming from lebanese officials let me begin a sending america's deepest sympathies to the people of lebanon where reports indicate that many many people were killed and i met with some of our great generals and they just seem to feel that it was this was not a some kind of a manufacturing. explosion type of event this was a seems to be according to them they would know better than i would but they seem to think it was a attack it was a bomb of some kind years now and mangos countries who have been offering assistance are israel this is despite the fact that the 2 countries are technically at war we have heard from the country's foreign minister benny gantz saying that 3rd party mediators have been approached and israel has offered humanitarian assistance no word as of yet what has been of a sponsor from lebanon all of this comes as an emergency security cabinet meeting is due to be held in the lebanese capital this morning it comes as both israel and has been that deny any kind of involvement there has been speculation as to what caused the blast at this stage the official word from lebanon is let's wait until the investigation is concluded we also spoke to industrial expert roland who's the managing director of technologies and he gave some insight into the effects of ammonium nitrate the chemical that's thought to have caused the blast. the color of smoke that we see in the dish it's a very distinctive. origin color and i just noticed i don't know if you are not i don't like knox this is all you know i don't know that it implies it was an explosive mix where it was all strung out so we're making an explosive. expression. full of decomposition and. that's why we don't like you're going outside tells us that we didn't have not true makes it so it wasn't an explosive when it went it was just only right. these you know and you have to be kind of cool that it's produced. it was just diesel engines and that's what this process only because it is highly polluting the environment. still to come this. scotland imposes on the local look down and up at the end of it a surge in cases that's as critics say corteen delays lead to files of people with type of 19th being allowed to enter the u.k. i'll be joined by a scientist. and a group of his leading chorus experts criticize the government for sidelining them and the letter sent to england's chief medical officer we hear from one of the signatures. the world is driven by dream shaped and person. who dares thinks. week here to ask. no one else seemed wrong wrong wrong just don't call. me to get to shape out just to become educated and in detroit equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. ah no no. no shots. no extra. points your thirst for action. a local lockdown has been imposed in aberdeen off to 54 cases of code 19 have been confirmed pubs and restaurants in the city will have to close before 5 pm under the reimpose restrictions residents are no longer allowed to travel more than 5 miles for leisure all visit another halt the measures are set to be reviewed in a week from now well that says the british government is accused of failing to act on quarantining foreign arrivals allowing falzon zz infected travellers into the country. up 210000 cases a believed to be an important by failing to introduce quarantine rules early enough the measures were finally introduced on the 8th of june the home affairs select committee of m.p.'s says it was a critical error that almost no other country made and it found that the mistakes lead to a far worse experience of the disease for britain the government has defended its response all of our decisions throughout the pandemic have been guided by the science with appropriate measures introduced at the right time to keep us all safe and with the passenger numbers significantly reduced the scientific advice was clear that a quarantine measures for those entering the country from abroad would be most effective when the u.k. has a lower level of infection verse for as the virus was brought under control here border measures were introduced on june 8th to protect public health and help avoid a 2nd peak that would overwhelm the n.h.s. . remorse 70 of britain's leading religious have criticised the british government over its handling of testing contracts a letter sent to the chief medical officer for england says that they were awarded own ideological grounds to private companies professor of neurology william irving who is among those who signed the letter told me that there was a desire to centralize the testing process 30 people to know how decisions were reached. and as i say must have been very very difficult it was a huge problem not faced before. i don't know who thought of the idea or who decided to go down that route. i think as others have pointed out throughout the management of this pandemic the decision making has been somewhat opaque seems to be in a desire to centralize. not 'd only the testing but also the test and trace to contract with private enterprise to run. testing on track and trace. companies amazon the lawyers. who basically don't do that as their main activity. i don't know why those decisions are made or how they're made but they're. as i say to. go privately rather than invest in the infrastructure that already exists and the tendency to keep all of the decision making and most of the data centrally rather than distributing it distributing it locally. other things that are criticize. the experts also say they were excluded from discussions on how to respond to the pandemic but irving says that some of the problems could have been avoided. the way the government approached there was a need to increase testing capacity and the way the government decided to do this was to create what are called lighthouse labs where they put large amounts of equipment essentially into a warehouse started with people who knew how to work the machines and aims tests tens of thousands of samples a day. there were several problems with that. that actually doing the test itself is one of the easiest steps in the process there are important other steps such as how do you patients get samples to the lab especially if they're living hundreds of miles away and where the results so that someone who knows what to do with the result actually receives the results in a timely fashion and we know that it took a long time for all of that to get sorted whereas the national health service diagnostic lam's of doing this kind of thing all the time they have connectivity from the patient suitable beurre through to the results going out to the patient's care or the public health team so that locally everybody knows what's going on and less of the chief medical officer was that. we could have helped in that process. we had capacity to do increase testing the investment that was made in the lighthouse labs if that investment in being put into diagnostic labs we could have avoided some of the problems that arose. to discuss all of this i'm not joined by virologist dr mohammed near mohammed good to see you regarding that letter signed by your fellow verna just what you make of that and presumably you back then. oh yeah absolutely i think this is not really a new thing we've been saying these things that right at the early stages of this pandemic that i mean thing is being done too late and too low and particularly in terms of quantity in and the testing trade saying and isolating people in the beginning and i think one of the major criticism has been that is the government what really reluctant to take up the scientific evidence is and i think there is no excuse on anything in the beginning because when we knew most of the cases in any part of the word are coming to the travelers in any port of entry from airports from seaports and other entries so certainly that was really. intention of the government from the beginning but now it's it became very obvious when we look back retrospectively. let's talk about that the sage committee and the fact that these verona just you'll find your colleagues feel a bit sidelined bomb this one of the sage committee is meant to be a cross-section of the scientific community what do you feel that you experts have been sidelined on this well essentially that is true because one of the things i would like to highlight here is that rocket science is one of the leading scientists in the ward and we do contribute immensely into the international scientific inventions and what will work but we have seen at the beginning is that whatever well the proposals from the academics from the universities from the certain students have rather to be being given less meta compared to what been proposed by the private sector and government has a lot of intention that the private sector is the one that will be contributing will be able to deliver and that has been proven wrong many patients when and begin antibody testing in the beginning they have been heavily invested appeared to be not working at the scale they're at their anticipation was so clearly there has been some glitches that maybe we see ourselves maybe were signed i mean i can give you an example of my consortium we have developed a smart 'd back. device which can kept up for all of us within 30 minutes and the results can go up to your mobile phone within literally 30 minutes and we developed this one and eventually at least even a family before the government that we will be able to screen the entire nation of in of one month when we applied is a big been sort in 3 universities and along with industrial partner government rejected the application that we do not need that but that we have a is something that later proved to be the one of the contract it didn't work very well what why on earth do you think this what sounds like a brilliant idea certainly developed in the early stages that could have made a difference what you think is rejected. well i think one of the hesitancy in the government has been we have you too in the beginning if you remember has been the on on for the herd immunity so therefore their motivation was not really to put all that in our indigenous capabilities to really tackle this situation and the 2nd thing is that somehow it impregnated into the government mind is that we don't have infrastructure we don't have resources we don't have kids but militaries to. put their testing kit ability in front compared to for example germany at that time but that wasn't nearly the truth because we have poor mark only at that point when we all support the testing capability but also now i mean just like in the last 2 days nano corps has been at the forefront for the diagnostic facilities that are on within 90 minutes so we certainly have kept ability but it just that we're going to have oversight just very quickly what are we seeing at the moment aberdeen now being basically locked down on we seeing just the 1st wave carrying on with this or do you think we are going to see the signs of a 2nd wave of this virus just briefly but i think due to my calculation this at the tail end of the fence to prevail and i can't but it is pretty clear that we all have still chances to get infection the one we haven't gotten to like here to 90 percent are still and in fact if so any change in the solution be it would circulate in the virus back into it and it is pretty clear that once we open up that the chances for the largest deployment of the community would be again very high but i think the important thing at this moment is merely to identify the smallest are very quickly and are trying to stem and isolate them so that he doesn't morph into uncontrollable all right mohammed thank you for joining us live an auntie that's it for the money to have more news when hoff an hour from now. you cannot be both with the yeah you like. me how can you explain love i've been to 82 countries i did in 12 but i came here and on those 3 days i just filled with hope. and he kept pretty isn't it sick show that. i made my decision to come here because 'd i felt a new i could build a new life here to see if the. company's name was. joseph. god decided that this money is no good to be free. but only. then did you see it i was there my one dream is that all my children 'd find the same kind of happiness i do. i love my home i love cold weather i like the culture i like the history i like everything about it almost as much thought i was i know that. i am a russian fama. thing for. i'm action or agency and you're watching a very special lockdown edition of going underground because we have. on today's show oliver stone one of the greatest filmmaker has of all time oliver thanks so much for coming on your coming on a stand simply for chasing the light here in new memoir tell me 1st of all why that phrase chasing the light appears to mean so much in so many different ways so important to your life well it's good to be birket sure but a world. where i don't know why you said in a sense that we you know put stays ability to see the world. it's called chasing life because. for the simple reason that.

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