And were going underground on the one Year Anniversary of Boris Johnsons 1st full day as Prime Minister a premiership so far defined by the alienation of potential Global Trading partners accusations of dropping the ball on perceived foreign threats and having one of the worst for capital coronavirus death rates in the world coming up on the show as some labor politicians in the u. K. Call for the closure of this t. V. Channel we investigate the stories not covered by Mainstream Media around the world from china to syria to yemen with the gray zone to mix blue and gold and is russia controlling peers in the house of lords as intelligence and Security Committee appears to allege we asked conservative piano about formally of the Lords International Relations Committee how many of. Sits on the red benches the small coming up in todays going underground the 1st u. K. By mr Morris Johnson claimed that this weeks you gain teligent in Security Committees so called russia report showed allegations of russian control of elections in britain was just froth it was left to secure stumm are under attack from members of his own body of a money and anti semitism to ramp up the cold war rhetoric and arguably call for the end of a free press in britain the report also highlights serious distortions in the coverage provided by russian state and International Real cost as such as russia today the high court has ruled that russia today brule costs actually potential home to the Prime Minister agree with me that its time to look again but the lesson from russia today to operate in the u. K. Johnson rebuked him for talk of defacto banning antti television in britain referring to appearances by som isnt treated as a Jeremy Corbyn having appeared on this show but that hasnt stopped britains state mandated medias fixation with the russia reporter well to turn to them for analysis but the gray zone smacks blumenthal author of the management of savagery joins me now by skype from washington d. C. Max thanks so much for coming back on so i guess 1st of all what do you make of this report the Expert Witnesses on russia Christopher Steele and the Intelligence Services own institute for statecraft which are helps journalists get to the truth in the 1st ways it was really remarkable for me to see someone who is been fully discredited in the United States in Christopher Steel appear as an Expert Witness just 2 days before we learned that steele had been an Expert Witness on this suppressed and overhyped report the Senate Judiciary committee revealed that several sources that steel used on his notorious dodgy dossier had called into question his credibility and said that they couldnt really attest to the legitimacy of the report that it was all over the place and then you have Chris Donnelly who is the head of a covert. Troll farm operating under the under cover as illegitimate institute for statecraft think tank that was actually the Integrity Initiative and was organizing clusters of journalists and friendly cold warrior politicians to meddle in other countries affairs including spain to destroy the careers of diplomats and National Security officials who are cozying up with russia in their view who are actually just too pro peace and was being secretly funded by the u. K. Foreign office this is a figure who you know should not be called out into public as an Expert Witness but provided testimony apparently for a report that ultimately failed to come to the conclusion of the hardcore russia gaiters and cold warriors and so now were being told that the scandal is that the m i 5 just simply didnt work hard enough to come to the highly politicized conclusion that russia was behind brags that we had by christmas feel and donnelly on the program it should be said that both of them deny anything like that and in fact the Integrity Initiative says that protecting our National Security here at home i should enter jack that i the gray zone sent a reporter to the institute for statecraft and who is our reporter mohamed el mozzie encountered Chris Donnelly he slammed the door in his face in a jacked it in from the office so weve given him the chance to comment as well and they obviously arent fans of transparency well obviously our intelligence and Security Committee in the house of commons disagrees with you in fairness the committee did say that the written evidence provided to us appeared to suggest that had majestys government not seen evidence of successful interference in u. K. Democratic processes all our activity that had a Material Impact on the elections nevertheless it does talk about this t. V. Channel what do you make of circus dhamma saying one response to the report should be to look at the license many people see that as a seeing to ban this channel this process. Graham from british audiences here we have another instance of care starmer performing his designated raul as a servant of the National Security establishment which groomed and cultivated him when he was at the Crown Prosecution Service and there are a number of Unanswered Questions about here starmer we see him in forcing the. Semitism code of silence on anyone who questions u. K. Policy towards israel palestine as israel moves to annex large parts of the west bank and there are Unanswered Questions about his role in the persecution of Julian Assange i would like to know still why here starmer met with the head of the m i 5 for informal social drinks in april 2013 the year after he decided not to prosecute the m i 5 for torture myself woodruff usual that he would say of course him to m i 5 because he was the director of Public Prosecutions so you have to have a close connection to Security State or im sure he would say that but what we have here is a case of here starmer now acting in a Political Leadership role in forcing one of the in forcing the agenda of the Security State which is to silence this broadcast there which presents a counter hedging monic the un gives a platform to voices that otherwise wouldnt be heard in the u. K. And that threaten their political imperatives well hes controversially got his people to send a letter to the independent regulator here about our license meanwhile he was of course d. P. P. Joining julian a songes. Case with sweden before his torture currently going on according to the un in belmarsh prison an espionage act is one thing that is come out of this report and tell me since you have won already of course your innocence is wanted individual room for espionage how a foreign agents act. Could could benefit britain let alone an espionage act as regarding National Security well i think a lot of people have forgotten we had an espionage act on the book until on the books until the Obama Administration began prosecuting a Record Number of whistleblowers people like jeffrey sterling thomas drake John Kiriakou and then you know we saw the 1st publisher journalist transparency advocate in julian a songe being prosecuted under this act and so its had a Chilling Effect within the National Security state on people who consider themselves Public Servants and now its having a Chilling Effect in the media people are afraid i can tell you from my own experience in washington in just the mood among the press here that people are afraid 1st of all the speak out for julian a songe and 2nd of all theyre afraid to publish state official secrets and that is the intended application of the espionage act its a completely outdated act i really fear for the u. K. If youre going to start bringing this across the atlantic well your a secretary of state might bump visited this week just as all this rusher aboard stuff was going and he congratulated foreign secretary dominic grab for blocking while away from. Him to the progress in this country i understand that you have some doubts about the information were getting about we get concentration camps we have the images we have nathan law on this program i understand hes actually had tea with them i compare with the u. S. Ambassadors house in regents park this week what doubts do you have about the story were being told about millions and millions of we go muslims being maybe killed let alone tortured by the communist party of china i dont have reason to doubt that there is something that there is something going on in jinja that there could even be repression but when we hear the. Constant stories that anywhere from 112th to one quarter of the entire population are in concentration camps we have to go and examine the evidence and the data and at the gray zone we have done just that we examined the source data on the claims of millions of leaders in socalled d concentration camps and we found that it boils down to 2 sources one a figure named adrian sense who is a german evangelical who has no ability to speak chinese i dont believe hes ever been to china hes declared that he is on a mission from god against china his only published book is about the rapture and if it is filled with homophobic. Language about diversity being a say tannic plot and this is a character that the victims of communism oriel fund a right Wing Organization has brought to washington as its key expert and his own data doesnt stand up the other group is the chinese human rights defenders which is funded by the Us Government and which took interviews with 8 weaker as engine jang and extrapolated from the population of their villages the finding or approximation of anywhere between 250001 1000000 people in concentration camps chinas admitted that it has Education Centers but we havent seen the evidence for these massive claims and of course why are we hearing about this all now at this is all the language the hostile language of a cold war weapon izing a Minority Group who has a lobby here in washington under the auspices of the world we are a congress which is funded by the Us Government through the cia cut out the National Endowment for democracy and all trump says that the burning have to use a consulate alone is evidence of something suspicious being done by the chinese just to quickly not get through a portal and because images are being transmitted on some even. Some Mainstream Media outlets are one of these going on in portland why is the army on the streets there chad wolf who is the acting secretary of the department of Homeland Security who has not been confirmed by the senate and probably will not be justified this entire presence of. Stet are all troops this trumps personal praetorian guard what some of called his guest stop 0 on the basis of graffiti being around portland theyve been attacking and initially mostly Peaceful Protesters and what their presence has done is stirred up an actual physical confrontation with people in portland and this is what trump wants its obviously an election ploy to start a culture war in the United States and theres a deeper problem here which is that the president does have some authority to play this out because of the establishment of the department of Homeland Security and all the power that the Security State was granted after the shock of 911. 00 and it was only a matter of time before president define his domestic political enemies as terrorists when he does he does we to eat you of course famously dont trump and henri tweet me you know is really in that president ial record of donald trump hey look this so many templates that gray zone covers from venezuela to yemen the worlds worst humanitarian crisis british an American Arms Company involved things that weve tried to cover on this channel which as i said this letter im Holding Short of the labor party babs doesnt want covered is one template syria because james the missouri a who was found dead outside a window is head of the White Helmets they were backed i think they may still be backed by the British Government the british taxpayer and alone the american taxpayer what do you make of the latest allegations that he was corruptly using that money have presumably money from the british an american taxpayer as he led this humanitarian group in syria i always thought the real scandal with the. Syrian White Helmets who are actually run by a British Military Intelligence Officer and james them are syria are from Southern Turkey was that this money from usa id and the British Foreign Office Office was being used to cruise to establish an ancillary of jihadist organizations extremist organizations that were committing human rights atrocities and making life miserable for syrians but now weve kind of reached the denouement of this organization with the mysterious death of lamar syria and dutch media confirming that if parent leave them or syria was committing some sort of fraud that led to a suicide and there had been some theories that he had actually been killed because the fall from his window didnt appear likely to have killed someone but the issue is that lamar syria was not operating aboveboard he was deceiving donor governments possibly for years and then when donor governments found out about this fraud according to this dutch media report they concealed it from the public this is one of the biggest scandals of the last decade the White Helmets and the syrian proxy war as a whole and i think this is an appropriate date in a mall for such a scandalous and arguably criminal operation the White Helmets who we have the boss off they refuted any allegations of our work with alqaeda and i was his day ash course when we invite the Foreign Office and the state department to stand up there i continued funding of the organization Max Blumenthal thank you. Thanks for having me after the break conservative peer lord balfour on whether im glad to be a putin has pies in the house of lords because the u. K. Intelligence and Security Committees russia reports the p s 2 image. The symbol coming up about to of going underground. Kind of financial survival john today was all about Money Laundering 1st to posit this is just a different. Good this is a good start well we have our 3 banks all set up here maybe something in your something in america something overseas in the Cayman Islands or do we do all these banks are complicit in their tough talk or say we just have to give him a call and say hey im ready to do some serious muhlenberg ok lets see how we did while weve got a nice luxury watch for max and for stacy oh beautiful jewelry and how about. Luxury automobile again for max they know what Money Laundering is highly illegal dont you watch kaiser of course. Syria has been engulfed in civil war almost 10 years its cost hundreds of thousands of lives and displaced millions more no 1. 00 foresaw the peaceful protests of 20 of them is collating into a complex conflict between various armies geo political interests rebel groups and just. How they are needed on the dock on this. But if you tell us if you say you hate the. Best corn. You know deep conflict. 1. 150 a day. An ordinary has sat down i. Never southlands the mother and then the shame but i leave them with the hate here. If i. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back the long delayed russia reporters called out the arguably most Contentious Chamber in the u. K. Parliament the house of lords for allegations that some of its members of business interests with Russian Companies linked to the kremlin joining me now from london is lord valve conservative peer and former member of the International Relations committee at the house of lords thanks so much labelle for coming on so. What do you make of the russia report in the fact that it clearly states that arguably a shadow is cast over britain 2nd chamber not quite saying that its a nest of putin spies or see jackie sages or some members of the 2nd gerry have connections in a business sense to russia i mean stadium exception isnt it seem to forget that the russian arms are major money type of Evening Standard so things a bit of business going on at once directions im sure the Evening Standard would say has nothing to do with having me on putin and in fact what this is referring to. Is russian power in london grad as named in the report and therefore doing the business of the kremlin deep in the heart of the palace of westminster rather than assessing rank. I mean theres also different interests. Elisi hoops here i mean after all were putting my house because we know something and i spent 5060 years or marched heaving with Foreign Affairs beyond my keep this out would not some opinions and it would be remiss of me if i didnt repeat it while im here to give my advice they can ignore it. You know thats what they get. Youre kind of echoing the words of the Prime Minister Berthe Johnson any truth do you think him and what johnson was saying he said this is the big the report is basically a failure of remain in the desire to say the brics it was. Was created in effect by the russian government well if it was youre not the russian government doesnt it to you that much to do with any foreign governments is to do with the patient xenophobia of the people who teach leave. Are certainly most. Blame russia for us losing the heart well their own. Country. Well the report attacks m i 5 you say for saying that the reason why the intelligence and Security Committee couldnt find any evidence for election meddling is because we didnt look enough for it some of said its a bit like a santa cause argument what do you make of the i ses explanation that the problem here is that we cant prove something because we havent tried hard enough to prove it or we may well the job they are my 5 serves is to crack down on terror which cost lives long 3. 00 and to shut down the people who are perpetrating or planning these terror attacks if not friends to go out looking for evidence all male may not be. You know rhetoric now for years ago but as you know the British Government says the terrorism did occur on british soil and soulsby because of the russian government. Yes the new times nish the period you know and event there is a gin shot the. Way they get it right i mean so spears into sauce dissolves im always the russian government deny that they have anything to do with it. However says that all of this shows the close links between the tories and the russians and in fact points to the fact that there are references to this channel although in fairness to the committee they said the president is an individual shows on r. T. And not culpable of the charge of being putins mouthpieces starmer saying they want an immediate meeting between their people this is a letter im holding from joe stevens the shadow sector of his favorite Digital Culture media and sport with the sagittarian depended regulated to discuss the loss of license here or not t 2 broke us in britain and this is from r. C. This house is one of each members George Orwell who fought for freedom of speech you know comes. Back will call broadcast. War i actually. Say trying to boost the use of oxy because that will do you refuse raw saddens me how little fox news some of the things you know out in United Science and whats actually report done by snappy daves matches over year ago which concluded the top g. T. E. Should be left alone so you know. Im wondering is the writer passing out signs they say hes no longer in favor of free space. Well we await the higher figures this agita regulator has generally said that he is broadly in line with other broadcasters which all say they do abide by impartiality norms as as. In the in the legislation here i mean what do you think it says about the labor body then that it says that r. T. Could do actual and potential harm i think each overestimation friend treat your fairish to this artsy with Great Respect with you here in. Which you do a lot of r r i think i should be locked up. You know this is rich. Ok but then those who are worried about russian influence in our politics talk about the big Money Johnson 160000 pounds for a tennis match tory donor donations because of that what about having there and theres no mention of the names of any russian oligarchs in this report surprise there isnt because i know there are loads that are linked to russian business and russian money should we not be worried about the. Well i mean its been various i think. This well lets see what are we actually signing up we signed Boris Johnson agent. Because hes accepting money for his political ads im from russian so seas are always signed each name eve because hes trying to undermine established by Prime Minister you somehow manages to chauny out of russian. History for really easily knowns frankly what if off come the regulator did respond and said were going to meet with the dramas people and were going to talk to him about why is concerned does that mean that its a sham this independent group custom regulator a kind of ally and actually we dont have a free press well how is rubbing off on to be quite happy to meet with the leader of the major opposition athlete and not beyond. Is he trying to leverage what he sees here on the report produced by Manchester United he did last year which was quite just in included r. T. T. Beam specialist i want to guess dama may well say that you are russian stooge for appearing on this program hes banned his entire front bench from this program and from this channel. So who is there a problem in the house of lords you know the press are attacking as a lords right now for the fact that you just said that 323 pounds youre going to get presumed cool to. Agree to do legislation in this country what do you think of the criticism that you and your lords and your colleagues. Unfairly take in cash of the taxpayer for what you do in theres a lot. These learned already very hard for my money here i am generally here by the middle of the morning are so relieved and so well into the thing and you know i was doing your all most of my life has been strange in Foreign Policy i do have views on russia which im not seeing a cold with those of the majority feeling at the moment in britain but were very not reflected in the past and i think russia is a part of europe and no one suggests behind Matt Harmon Merkel in building a new relationship with russia its as simple as that i think on mine if the group sees it needs to count theyre going to be located in far east russia or is part of the european family and hes far from perfect and in that he chases wassim cone with many other countries but we are all of the politi cool europe and we somehow got some i keep work and when you get as i am nearer to each even 2nd sorry you dont worry too much now people think of you know well just finally if clearly dumber is being accused of cold war attitudes against china and russia wanting to maybe ban this channel how susceptible is Boris Johnson to cold war style paranoia is sending an Aircraft Carrier to chinas maritime borders i think we do have problems with china and i think we should might clear that were not any so fighting on all fronts we dont have any actual major problems with russia that cant be solved by negotiation and a piece of good will thats why i support it russia coming back into the all eventually assembly of the council of europe i think there is a lot of work to be done there are many. Areas in which we disagree lets keep it to disagree and dion or not some allison out the truth of each other and stirring up things old on russia east all europe dont forget it and as ramify of you mention there there to protect us from terrorism how do you think itll go down because theyre often in the shadows theres a fairly so how do you think itll go down with them that the and intelligence and Security Committee have been saying that my 5 just hasnt been doing its job properly i think its a pity that we havent seen the full unredacted report i can understand why we havent seen it but you know how much i have to let me give you certain amounts of things and i think keeping bruton street saif is a higher priority than looking around to see if a handful of russians try to influence a handful of votes you know referendum that will i regret the result i regard as being a fair referee. Introduce ition which is being bought by june election which sacked me we must now accept and my 5 years doing the job. Thank you thank you thats it for the show on the eve of cuba is a month on a day when Fidel Castros 26 of july movement 7 train the cuban revolution they were defeated continues to defeat United States designed to despite nearly ending the world will be back on monday with one of the worlds greatest geographers professor Danny Dorling will tell us which country he thinks should be the best ones and theyve been in the world until that wash your hands join the underground when you try to sound the ground and facebook. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race